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Old 03-16-2014   #41
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Over on the other thread Playoffs posted a series of Twitter tweets by an Oakland beat writer. See post #532. http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/sho...103911&page=27
He did not validate the rumor. His logic is sound but he didn't say he heard about it either. getting his info from the 610 article
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If negotiations are underway, and if McGloin is not part of the wheeling & dealing, then who's out there for the Texans to acquire a veteran? There's Mallet & Hoyer, and who else?
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Would it be a stretch to trade for Mallett and McGloin.

Atleast if they get McGloin and if they wanted Mallett they could tell BB 3-1 or no deal.
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I don't quite understand this McGloin thing..........at 6'1", he was worse than Keenum in every stat.
I don't know about that.

McGloin had a better completion percentage
had 1 win against Case's goose egg.
his QBR is much better
he was sacked 13 times less (that wasn't all on our O-Line either), Case led the league in avg yards lost/sack.

I didn't see any Raider games except the one against us so I'm basing his solely on numbers.

If anything I think the McGloin thing would be familiarity for O'Brien, but I don't see either guy being anything more than a stop gap until 1.1 is ready.
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We basically have no leverage here. Everybody know that Schaub has played his last game for us. And so far no other team seems to be interested. It would be great, if we could get something in return. If it is anything more than a 4th rounder IŽd be shocked - and IŽd do that trade in a heartbeat.
I wouldn't be that certain that we have no leverage. We don't have to get rid of Schaub. If there are no veteran QBs available he could be the starter next season. If nothing else the play calling alone has to get better. With the increased cap the Texans can keep him. O'Brien hasn't even had a chance to work with any of the QBs. He might determine that the problem was more Kubiak than Schaub.
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That is correct - net cap savings $3.625 mil.
We also take the entire hit this season instead of being able to classify it as a June 1st cut.
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I don't quite understand this McGloin thing..........at 6'1", he was worse than Keenum in every stat.
O'Brien never coached Keenum in college.
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I've been beating the McGloin drum for awhile now and this rumored trade has me crossing my fingers even more for McLovin. I found this video just now.

Just for the record, I'm not a Penn State homer. Nice mention of O'Brian here. It just seems logical for OB to want to pull this trigger IF he has the confidence in McGloin. If he doesn't he doesn't. Oh well. Still this is a nice vid.

http://www.chatsports.com/oakland-ra...ver-10-100-561
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All of you folks wanting to collect QBs should go have a chat with Gruden.
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I'd be interested to see what the Raiders will give in return.
would the raiders taking schaub mean that the guaranteed money will be put on theirs cap? freeing us from taking a 10M dead money hit?

If that was the case I would even consider giving him to them for free.

but I don't understand the whole guaranteed money/cap thing very well

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I was under the assumption that trading him would be exactly like cutting him as it pertains to our cap. So instead of his approx 14m cap number we would have approx 10m dead money toward him with a net savings of around 4m.
read this just now, so I guess it was the article in the OP to mislead me...

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I know when teams trade a player away they aren't Scott free, but it don't understand why we take a cap hit. That just makes no sense to me.
The Cap hit is from the signing bonus we already paid. We benefited from being able to delay accounting for it for cap purposes when it was paid, but it doesn't transfer with the player since it has already been paid. It is accelerated and accounted for in the year of the cut or trade rather than spread out over the remaining years of the contract or the first five years of it, whichever is lesser.

I think CBS got the Signing Bonus dead money number of $10.5M confused with the Salary and Roster Bonus number of $10,937,500 mixed up. To be fair, they were the same until an adjustment was made a couple of months ago.

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We've been wanting to trade down, as one option. So we swap #1's and we also get their #2. Value wise this is still a little short, so we give them the veteran they need while grooming the QB they'll take at 1-1 and we get a young QB who is familar with our new offense. We move a QB who everyone knew was gone and Oakland trades an undrafted 2nd year player who would be their 3rd QB. Oakland is in cap trouble because their salary level is too low. It's a win-win all around.

We could also pull the identical deal with Cleveland except they are not in trouble with too low spending on salaries.
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We've been wanting to trade down, as one option. So we swap #1's and we also get their #2. Value wise this is still a little short, so we give them the veteran they need while grooming the QB they'll take at 1-1 and we get a young QB who is familar with our new offense. We move a QB who everyone knew was gone and Oakland trades an I drafted 2nd year player who would be their 3rd QB. Oakland is in cap trouble because their salary level is too low. It's a win-win all around.

We could also pull the identical deal with Cleveland except they are not in trouble with too low spending on salaries.
By the numbers:
Houston 1-1 3000
Houston Schaub ?

Oakland 1-5 1700
Oakland 2-36 540
Oakland McGloin ?

I still see us coming up way short in this scenario.
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Schaub for Hayden straight up!

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We've been wanting to trade down, as one option. So we swap #1's and we also get their #2. Value wise this is still a little short, so we give them the veteran they need while grooming the QB they'll take at 1-1 and we get a young QB who is familar with our new offense. We move a QB who everyone knew was gone and Oakland trades an undrafted 2nd year player who would be their 3rd QB. Oakland is in cap trouble because their salary level is too low. It's a win-win all around.

We could also pull the identical deal with Cleveland except they are not in trouble with too low spending on salaries.
Our 1.1 for Oaklands 1.5 & 2.5 ? I would love that deal !
But if a deal included trading Schaub, I'm still unsure about the non-guaranteed portion of Schaub's contract ? So let's say Oakland or whoever our trading partner might be assumes the balance of Schaub's contract, does that mean we would have no obligation for his remaining compensation on the contract beyond what portion of it is the unamortized guaranteed balance which of course does go agasnt our cap ?
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For a definitive answer I'll have to defer to those who keep up with this, but I would say yes you are correct. In simple terms that I understand, the Texans would still have to pay all past salary & bonuses which have been deferred but Oakland would assume all future payments due under the current contract. Schaub and the Raiders would likely renegotiate the contract.
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All of you folks wanting to collect QBs should go have a chat with Gruden.
My QB collection would look like this

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3. Keenum

All 3 talented with various degrees of upside.
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My QB collection would look like this

1. Mallett
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All 3 talented with various degrees of upside.
So you are looking for another 2-14 season?
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