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Old 03-16-2014   #21
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Schaub is NOT the lost cause many think. He had a bad year and some teams realize that.
And those 2 teams have not shown a clue re. choosing quarterbacks in how many decades?
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Schaub is a lost cause but it's good that these teams don't think so.
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Can you read? Or do you just flash your head from side to Side and pick up on key words?

Btw, I wasn't saying get a first round pick for Schaub alone. You filled in the blanks how you wanted to but what I was thinking was Schaub and picks to get back into the first.

But again, i said I don't think it's realistic so not sure what the point of your post actually is.
Ok, then perhaps you had a soliloquy about wanting another first rounder in a possible trade for Matt Schaub thread?

Thanks I suppose then for posting your Pinocchio wishing upon a star for a first rounder?
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Mcgloin still under contract with the raiders? Any chance he's part of a trade?
I don't quite understand this McGloin thing..........at 6'1", he was worse than Keenum in every stat.
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This is great news. I thought we had no chance at actually trading Schaub where another team would take on that contract. I thought we either had to release him or keep him for another year. This would be fantastic if the Raiders are willing to waste more picks like they did on the Palmer trade. We really don't need compensation for Schaub. We just need a team that is willing to take him away so we can free up some cap room and acquire some talent at other positions. But hey, anything we can get is just icing on the cake. This trade would be benefit us a lot.
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I don't quite understand this McGloin thing..........at 6'1", he was worse than Keenum in every stat.
Played in and knows O'Briens system Would be good for QB competition

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This is great news. I thought we had no chance at actually trading Schaub where another team would take on that contract. I thought we either had to release him or keep him for another year. This would be fantastic if the Raiders are willing to waste more picks like they did on the Palmer trade. We really don't need compensation for Schaub. We just need a team that is willing to take him away so we can free up some cap room and acquire some talent at other positions. But hey, anything we can get is just icing on the cake. This trade would be benefit us a lot.
Actually benefits the raiders in a way as well. No one here is really mentioning it but the Raiders are very close to not hitting the salary cap floor. teams must spend at least 90% of the salary cap amount on a yearly basis. Right now they are still $40 million + under the cap. All the high priced free agents are gone os they have two choices:

1) Overpay a few of the FA's left who don't deserve it

2) Take on a contract or two to help make up that difference. They are interested in Schaub anyway and Houston cant be asking much.
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The problem with trading Schaub is that his ensuing cap hit would put us over the cap, so we will need to restructure someone to make it work. So while there may be a deal in the making, the Raiders will have to wait for the Texans to get their books in order before it can be executed.
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Schaub is NOT the lost cause many think. He had a bad year and some teams realize that.
We shall see.

I'm actually hoping he goes to Oakland and does well.
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The problem with trading Schaub is that his ensuing cap hit would put us over the cap, so we will need to restructure someone to make it work. So while there may be a deal in the making, the Raiders will have to wait for the Texans to get their books in order before it can be executed.
How so? Please explain.
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The problem with trading Schaub is that his ensuing cap hit would put us over the cap, so we will need to restructure someone to make it work. So while there may be a deal in the making, the Raiders will have to wait for the Texans to get their books in order before it can be executed.
I was under the assumption that trading him would be exactly like cutting him as it pertains to our cap. So instead of his approx 14m cap number we would have approx 10m dead money toward him with a net savings of around 4m.
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I was under the assumption that trading him would be exactly like cutting him as it pertains to our cap. So instead of his approx 14m cap number we would have approx 10m dead money toward him with a net savings of around 4m.
This is what I thought too.
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Default Re: Report: Texans and Raiders in Serious Trade Talk for Matt Schaub

"serious" and Sports Radio 610 are not things that can be used together. They cancel each other out. This is a non story until it is a story reported by a credible news source. I think McGloin is a logical inclusion in any trade with Oakland.
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I was under the assumption that trading him would be exactly like cutting him as it pertains to our cap. So instead of his approx 14m cap number we would have approx 10m dead money toward him with a net savings of around 4m.
That is correct - net cap savings $3.625 mil.
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Default Re: Report: Texans and Raiders in Serious Trade Talk for Matt Schaub

Food for thought:

Could this be a controlled leak by the Texans? Skimming Twitter and Raiders MB's no raiders insider or beat writers have any knowledge or hear any rumblings of this.

We know 3 teams supposedly have interest in Schaub if he is cut: Browns, Jets, Raiders. Create a market for themselves?
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A non story--I just read this thread to find out we should not be discussing this until it unfolds!!!
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I don't quite understand this McGloin thing..........at 6'1", he was worse than Keenum in every stat.
He's also smaller than Bridgewater. What he has going for him is that he played under OB at Penn State. He DOES know OB's offense. How good he is at executing it is another thing.
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Schaub is NOT the lost cause many think. He had a bad year and some teams realize that.
Is this Marshall Faulk?
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That is correct - net cap savings $3.625 mil.
I know when teams trade a player away they aren't Scott free, but it don't understand why we take a cap hit. That just makes no sense to me.
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Food for thought:

Could this be a controlled leak by the Texans? Skimming Twitter and Raiders MB's no raiders insider or beat writers have any knowledge or hear any rumblings of this.

We know 3 teams supposedly have interest in Schaub if he is cut: Browns, Jets, Raiders. Create a market for themselves?
Over on the other thread Playoffs posted a series of Twitter tweets by an Oakland beat writer. See post #532. http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/sho...103911&page=27
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I know when teams trade a player away they aren't Scott free, but it don't understand why we take a cap hit. That just makes no sense to me.
Whether cut or traded all money which has been paid to Schaub which has not already appeared on the cap has to be accounted for. So if you give a player $10 mil signing bonus on a 4 year contract, $2.5 mil will appear on the cap each year plus any new many paid during that year (base salary, workout bonuses, roster bonuses, etc.). So if you cut or trade him after two years only $5 mil of the $10 mil signing bonus has appeared on the cap during those two years. The remaining $5 mil has to go on the cap as dead money. The new team has to account for any money paid after the trade date and nothing before.
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