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I thought we had $10.5 million in dead money this year against the cap, and none of his would count next year
Schaub will create 10.5 m in dead money this year, but still save us 3.5. We go from whatever we currently have and add 3.5 in space NOW.

It adds approximately 17 m in cap space for next season.
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Schaub will create 10.5 m in dead money this year, but still save us 3.5. We go from whatever we currently have and add 3.5 in space NOW.

It adds approximately 17 m in cap space for next season.
That is how I understood it. I misunderstood what you were saying
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I thought we had $10.5 million in dead money this year against the cap, and none of his would count next year
That's how it works in this scenario. If he was a June 1 cut, it would be something like 3.5m this year and 7m next year.
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Schaub will create 10.5 m in dead money this year, but still save us 3.5. We go from whatever we currently have and add 3.5 in space NOW.

It adds approximately 17 m in cap space for next season.
So you're saying the dead money for this season still applies. But after this season, we are 100% free from Schaub's salary in regards to the cap?
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So you're saying the dead money for this season still applies. But after this season, we are 100% free from Schaub's salary in regards to the cap?


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Pending a physical.

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According to ESPN’s Adam Schefter, the Raiders are ready to trade a low-round draft pick for Schaub and make him their starting quarterback. Fox Sports’ Mike Garafolo confirmed that the trade is a done deal, pending a physical.

Of course, the main issue is not the low pick Oakland will give up — it’s the five-year, $66.15 million contract Schaub signed in Sept., 2012. That contract goes with Schaub, and it guarantees him a $10 million base salary, plus $1 million total in per-game-roster bonuses.
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Instead of sitting back with your 42000 lame posts with no insght, why don't you indulge in conversation and add some thought to my "ignorance". Or is that beneath you oh mighty one?
You are conflating two separate issues.

1) unused cap can carry over. No further discussion is necessary on that you were just wrong.

2) June 1st cuts. This is not an issue of unused cap. It is how used cap gets accounted. Dutch has explained about the availability of cap room gained with the June 1st option as it applies to the Texans signing free agents right now. For Schaub the difference is non-June 1st cut or trade: 2014 $10.5 mil, 2015 0 v. June 1st cut: 2014 $3.5 mil, 2015 $7 mil. Neither involves cap space carry over.

In fact Dutch, several others and I have explained both of these things many times over the past few weeks so neither should be a revelation. And don't act so put upon - this started because you condescended to someone else with an incorrect assertion about cap carryover.
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Since the entire team will be learning a new system this year.. I'll say taking the hit now and being free and clear next year is a lot better.. Especially since we'll have to resign Watt.
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Andre, DeAndre, Foster, Graham, DBrown, Chris Myers, Brooks... seven returning starters on offense.

Jj, Cushing, Whitney, Reed, Kj, Dj, DMan... seven returning starters on defense.

I don't think this is a rebuild.
If it ain't a rebuild it's serious makeover.
New starters at QB, RT, RG, TE, DE, NT, ILB, and OLB, and nickel CB; yeah, that's a serious makeover.
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Reed is garbage, along with Mercilus.
Disagree..... with a condition. If Rac changes what these players are being asked to do and they don't improve then OK, I'll agree with that. What are the odds of Wade Phillips and Romeo Crennel both being just too incompetent to put them in a position to succeed right?

I want to see what Crennel does with them first. That's all I'm saying. You might very well be right and the evidence doesn't exactly make a case for either of them but I'd still like to see what happens before giving up all hope.
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You are conflating two separate issues.

1) unused cap can carry over. No further discussion is necessary on that you were just wrong.

2) June 1st cuts. This is not an issue of unused cap. It is how used cap gets accounted. Dutch has explained about the availability of cap room gained with the June 1st option as it applies to the Texans signing free agents right now. For Schaub the difference is non-June 1st cut or trade: 2014 $10.5 mil, 2015 0 v. June 1st cut: 2014 $3.5 mil, 2015 $7 mil. Neither involves cap space carry over.

In fact Dutch, several others and I have explained both of these things many times over the past few weeks so neither should be a revelation. And don't act so put upon - this started because you condescended to someone else with an incorrect assertion about cap carryover.

Depending on what is done "cap carryover" (as you call it) is greatly affected on what you do. You call it carry over i don't. Its money already spent that simply gets applied differently depending on the choice you make with the player. Its either applied now or later, not "carried over".

I also don't consider unused cap as carrying over. To me carrying over means accumulating. When in reality the cap is set and players come on and off the team and their salaries follow. Its not carrying over its simply salaries being applied or not applied. The 20 million doesn't carry over, it will be there if not spent or will not be there if spent. Maybe my thought process is confusing or something, but its not incorrect.
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There's no doubt that Schaub needed a new start somewhere else. That said, he'll likely be better this season than any QB we start in 2014. It's unfortunate, but the Fitz won't be better nor will a rookie in this year's draft.

A year or two away......again
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If it ain't a rebuild it's serious makeover.
New starters at QB, RT, RG, TE, DE, NT, ILB, and OLB, and nickel CB; yeah, that's a serious makeover.
Serious makeover sounds about right to me. I think we'll have to wait until the end of 2014 to get a definitive statement out of the Texans. If they come out next year and surprise everyone, hit on a few key picks and signings, win 8-10 games somehow then it was a makeover. If things don't go well they'll admit that they were rebuilding.
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This has to be one of the worst semantic cluster fornications of all time.
There goes another one liner with nothing to do with this thread, some would call that post padding
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A rebuild is when you get rid of all your best players. We still have ours.

Also, thinking this is a rebuild means you think 2011 and 2012 were the fluke years, not 2013.

There is such a thing as retooling. You know who's rebuilding? The Raiders.

Hate that Schaub has to go to Oakland, but I'm glad we got a pick and I'm glad it frees up a lot of money.
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Depending on what is done "cap carryover" (as you call it) is greatly affected on what you do. You call it carry over i don't. Its money already spent that simply gets applied differently depending on the choice you make with the player. Its either applied now or later, not "carried over".

I also don't consider unused cap as carrying over. To me carrying over means accumulating. When in reality the cap is set and players come on and off the team and their salaries follow. Its not carrying over its simply salaries being applied or not applied. The 20 million doesn't carry over, it will be there if not spent or will not be there if spent. Maybe my thought process is confusing or something, but its not incorrect.
Yes it is incorrect.

Unused cap/carryover: Say the cap is $130 mil in 2014 and $140 mil in 2015. If the Texans only use $125 mil of cap in 2014 they can carry $5 mil over to 2015 and their cap for 2015 will be $145. Yes what you do to get to $125 v. $127 mil in 2014 affects how much carryover is available but whatever is remainder is carryover. It moves cap space from one year to the next.

June 1st ONLY deals with dead money accounting - money which has already been spent which must appear on the cap somewhere. It's a zero sum game as the total amount is the same it is just a question of whether it gets accounted for in one year or two. It doesn't move cap space it uses the available cap space differently.
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