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Old 03-21-2014   #201
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I figured this was coming after the Ryan Fitzpatrick signing. Fitzpatrick isn't an upgrade on Schaub, but he's an upgrade as far as the cap situation goes moving forward IF we were able to get Schaub off the books. Looks like that will be the case.
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With 3 QBs on the roster after Schaub's departure, does this mean that we will not be taking a QB with 1-1?
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Andre, DeAndre, Foster, Graham, DBrown, Chris Myers, Brooks... seven returning starters on offense.

Jj, Cushing, Whitney, Reed, Kj, Dj, DMan... seven returning starters on defense.

I don't think this is a rebuild.
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With 3 QBs on the roster after Schaub's departure, does this mean that we will not be taking a QB with 1-1?
No. We'll be selecting a rookie qb...just not certain if in round #1. Yates is going to have a hard time making this team.
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First of all you should go back through my posts and my outlines for previous off-seasons, I have a better understanding of the cap than 95% of the people in here and when I don't know something I research an answer. You may not agree with what I say or maybe I am too "vague" for you but to say my post post was an "ignorant assertion" is laughable.

So let me break it down and clarify for you. By cutting Schaub and designating June 1st, we would have gained approximately 10 m. That alone is enough to sign some guys like Carlos Rogers, Pat Angerer and maybe even a pass rusher. A few guys to fill some holes and be role players instead of pumping out scrubs like Sharpton, Reed and McCain.

Second of all, by trading Schaub you have 9 m this year and about 44 m next year. (assuming no one else is signed which won't be accurate but its easier to do this illustration). If you June 1st cut him you bump up to 19 m this year and 37 m next year. Its not as simple as rolling the money over and doing what you wish with it. With bonuses and pro rations you would come out ahead by cutting him, signing guys and then having a bunch of money next year still. Instead you do nothing now, and have just a few million more next year. Its called improving your roster NOW and getting players accustomed to the coaching style and scheme, instead of wasting time.
When you make a June 1st Cut, the money that is getting pushed into the following year is not available until... wait for it.... JUNE 1st. So cutting anyone and designating them as such doesn't actually give you that cash to spend on the first week of free agency bonanza. Post-June 1st signings are almost always bargain bin deals, and not impact players. So there really isn't much to gain by cutting Schaub instead of getting a 6th or 7th for him.

And please, tell us more about the cap rollover limitations.
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Andre, DeAndre, Foster, Graham, DBrown, Chris Myers, Brooks... seven returning starters on offense.

Jj, Cushing, Whitney, Reed, Kj, Dj, DMan... seven returning starters on defense.

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With 3 QBs on the roster after Schaub's departure, does this mean that we will not be taking a QB with 1-1?
IMO I think the QB situation looks like so, in no particular order

Bortles
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For got to mention most of those guys are either pro bowlers, high draft picks or both.
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IMO I think the QB situation looks like so, in no particular order

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That makes sense. I suppose Fitzpatrick is a full time tutor here and one of Keenum/Yates gets cut
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Default Re: Report: Texans and Raiders in Serious Trade Talk for Matt Schaub

So, about the cap: we eat all his salary this year but are off for the next, right?
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Now we trade Yates to the Browns.
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First of all you should go back through my posts and my outlines for previous off-seasons, I have a better understanding of the cap than 95% of the people in here and when I don't know something I research an answer.
Clearly that is not the case on either assertion.

Cap carryover - wrong. How June 1st works - wrong. You're 0 for 2. 95% of monkeys with darts would have gotten one correct.
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When you make a June 1st Cut, the money that is getting pushed into the following year is not available until... wait for it.... JUNE 1st. So cutting anyone and designating them as such doesn't actually give you that cash to spend on the first week of free agency bonanza. Post-June 1st signings are almost always bargain bin deals, and not impact players. So there really isn't much to gain by cutting Schaub instead of getting a 6th or 7th for him.

And please, tell us more about the cap rollover limitations.
If you know how to balance a check book the salary cap is easy. If you June 1st cut someone you know you will have that money. So if you spend youre current cash you will be ok, because you're checking account will get a deposit soon. The salary cap has wiggle room, its not this death ray that if crossed you're limb gets amputated.

Next since you traded schaub his bonus is paid out now, it won't be pro rated. Meaning the hit comes now. If you June 1st cut him it gets prorated. So instead of a bigger hit now we spread it out. Giving us money now and still leaving us money later.

In theory the guy was right, the salary "basically" rolls over, but its much more complicated than that. You don't get all the money you think you do because bonuses get subtracted either right away or over 2 years.

All I was/am trying to say is that IMO you can have your cake and eat it too. You can create room now to sign guys and still leave plenty of room to operate next season. Instead of wasting an entire season. Im not trying to get you guys riled up, but Im just tired of sitting back and never improving while the top dogs keep improving year after year.
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Clearly that is not the case on either assertion.

Cap carryover - wrong. How June 1st works - wrong. You're 0 for 2. 95% of monkeys with darts would have gotten one correct.
Instead of sitting back with your 42000 lame posts with no insght, why don't you indulge in conversation and add some thought to my "ignorance". Or is that beneath you oh mighty one?
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So, about the cap: we eat all his salary this year but are off for the next, right?
My question exactly too. Can some of you "cap gurus" please explain how this will affect our cap situation? I can only assume it's alot better than outright cutting him.
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My question exactly too. Can some of you "cap gurus" please explain how this will affect our cap situation? I can only assume it's alot better than outright cutting him.
Basically it only gives us a few million in cap space this year extra. Next year the rest will be applied.
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Basically it only gives us a few million in cap space this year extra. Next year the rest will be applied.
I thought we had $10.5 million in dead money this year against the cap, and none of his would count next year
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