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I know this is a lot of info, but this is my complete updated board. Position rankings with grades. The difference between the FA and UDFA grade is that the FAs are basically the priority free agents. I don't rate these players as draftable but I could see a team using a 7th on them if they wanted to make sure nobody else could sign them. The UDFAs are the top undrafted players who I think would have a shot at a NFL roster.

QB
1st
1. Teddy Bridgewater – Louisville
2. Blake Bortles – UCF
3. Johnny Manziel – Texas A&M
2nd
4. Derek Carr – Fresno St
5. Zach Mettenberger – LSU
3rd
6. Jimmy Garoppolo – Eastern Illinois
4th
7. Aaron Murray – Georgia
8. A.J. McCarron – Alabama
5th
9. Brett Smith – Wyoming
10. David Fales – San Jose St
11. Connor Shaw – South Carolina
12. Logan Thomas – Virginia Tech
6th
13. Tajh Boyd – Clemson
14. Bryn Renner – North Carolina
7th
15. Tom Savage – Pittsburgh
16. Jeff Mathews – Cornell
FA
17. Stephen Morris – Miami
18. Keith Wenning – Ball St
UDFA
19. Keith Price – Washington
20. Casey Pachall – TCU
21. Dustin Vaughan – West Texas A&M

RB
1st
1. Tre Mason – Auburn
2. Bishop Sankey – Washington
2nd
3. Carlos Hyde – Ohio St
4. Charles Sims – West Virginia
3rd
5. Lache Seastrunk – Baylor
6. Andre Williams – Boston College
7. Ka’Deem Carey – Arizona
8. Jeremy Hill – LSU
4th
9. Terrance West – Towson
10. Jerick McKinnon – Georgia Southern
11. Isaiah Crowell – Alabama St
5th
12. Storm Johnson – UCF
13. Tim Cornett – UNLV
14. LaDarius Perkins – Mississippi St
6th
15. Tyler Gaffney – Stanford
16. Henry Josey – Missouri
17. Alfred Blue – LSU
18. Devonta Freeman – Florida St
7th
19. James White – Wisconsin
20. Lorenzo Taliaferro – Coastal Carolina
21. Kapri Bibbs – Colorado St
22. Marion Grice – Arizona St
FA
23. George Atkinson III – Notre Dame
24. Damien Williams – Oklahoma
25. Antonio Andrews – Western Kentucky
UDFA
26. Silas Redd – USC
27. Tim Flanders – Sam Houston St
28. David Fluellen – Toledo
29. Raijun Neal – Tennessee
30. Jordan Lynch – Northern Illinois
31. Adam Muema – San Diego St

FB
4th
1. Trey Millard – Oklahoma
5th
2. J.C. Copeland – LSU
3. Jay Prosch – Auburn
4. Reggie Jordan – Missouri Western St
7th
5. James Wilder Jr. – Florida St
6. Ryan Hewitt – Stanford
FA
7. Jacob Pederson – Wisconsin
UDFA
8. Chad Abram – Florida St
9. Chris Coyle – Arizona St

WR
1st
1. Sammy Watkins – Clemson
2. Odell Beckham Jr. – LSU
3. Mike Evans – Texas A&M
4. Marqise Lee – USC
5. Dontre Moncrief – Ole Miss
2nd
6. Jordan Matthews – Vanderbilt
7. Brandin Cooks – Oregon St
8. Kelvin Benjamin – Florida St
9. Allen Robinson – Penn St
10. Davante Adams – Fresno St
3rd
11. Jarvis Landry – LSU
12. Martavis Bryant – Clemson
13. Paul Richardson – Colorado
14. Robert Herron – Wyoming
4th
15. Jared Abbrederis – Wisconsin
16. Bruce Ellington – South Carolina
5th
17. Jeff Janis – Saginaw Valley
18. Jeremy Gallon – Michigan
19. Mike Davis – Texas
20. Brandon Coleman – Rutgers
6th
21. Devin Street – Pittsburgh
22. Dri Archer – Kent St
23. John Brown – Pittsburgh St
24. T.J. Jones – Notre Dame
25. Michael Campanaro – Wake Forest
7th
26. Kevin Norwood – Alabama
27. Josh Huff – Oregon
28. L’Damian Washington – Missouri
29. Marcus Lucas – Missouri
30. Cody Latimer – Indiana
FA
31. Tevin Reese – Baylor
32. De’Anthony Thomas – Oregon
33. Corey Brown – Ohio St
UDFA
34. Austin Franklin – New Mexico St
35. Albert Wilson – Georgia St
36. Matt Hazel – Coastal Carolina
37. Shaquille Evans – UCLA
38. Quincy Enunwa – Nebraska
39. Jalen Saunders – Oklahoma
40. Willie Snead – Ball St
41. Bennie Fowler – Michigan St
42. Damian Copeland – Louisville
43. Ryan Grant – Tulane

TE
1st
1. Eric Ebron – North Carolina
2. Troy Niklas – Notre Dame
2nd
3. Jace Amaro – Texas Tech
4. Austin Seferian-Jenkins – Washington
3rd
5. C.J. Fiedorowicz – Iowa
6. Arthur Lynch – Georgia
4th
7. Crockett Gillmore – Colorado St
8. Joe Don Duncan – Dixie St
5th
9. A.C. Leonard – Tennessee St
10. Marcel Jensen – Fresno St
11. Xavier Grimble – USC
12. Richard Rogers – California
6th
13. Colt Lyerla – Oregon
7th
14. Jake Murphy – Utah
15. Rob Blanchflower – Massachusetts
FA
16. Trey Burton – Florida
17. Jordan Najvar – Baylor
UDFA
18. Anthony Denham – Utah
19. Nic Jacobs – McNeese St
20. D.J. Tialavea – Utah St

OT
1st
1. Greg Robinson – Auburn
2. Jake Matthews – Texas A&M
3. Taylor Lewan – Michigan
4. Antonio Richardson – Tennessee
2nd
5. Morgan Moses – Virginia
6. Cyrus Kouandjio – Alabama
3rd
7. JuWaun James – Tennessee
8. Joel Bitonio – Nevada
9. James Hurst – North Carolina
4th
10. Cameron Fleming – Stanford
11. Seantrel Henderson – Miami
12. Billy Turner – North Dakota St
13. Wesley Johnson – Vanderbilt
5th
14. Michael Schofield – Michigan
15. Jack Mewhort – Ohio St
6th
16. Matt Patchan – Boston College
7th
17. Charles Leno – Boise St
18. Justin Britt – Missouri
19. Austin Wentworth – Fresno St
FA
20. Cornelius Lucas – Kansas St
UDFA
21. Danny Kistler Jr. – Montana
22. Matt Hall – Belhaven
23. Jeremiah Sirles – Nebraska
24. Donald Hawkins – Texas

OG
1st
1. Zack Martin – Notre Dame
2nd
2. Gabe Jackson – Mississippi St
3. Xavier Su’a-Filo – UCLA
4. Brandon Thomas – Clemson
3rd
5. David Yankey – Stanford
6. Cyril Richardson – Baylor
4th
7. Kadeem Edwards – Tennessee St
8. Anthony Steen – Alabama
9. Trai Turner – LSU
5th
10. Chris Watt – Notre Dame
11. Spencer Long – Nebraska
12. Zach Fulton – Tennessee
6th
13. Jon Halapio – Florida
14. John Urschel – Penn St
7th
15. Brandon Linder – Miami
16. Dakota Dozier – Furman
17. Connor Boffeli – Iowa
FA
18. Matt Feiler – Bloomsburg
19. Ryan Groy – Wisconsin
UDFA
20. Michael Philipp – Oregon St
21. Antwan Lowery – Rutgers
22. Andrew Norwell – Ohio St
23. John Martinez – USC

C
2nd
1. Weston Richburg – Colorado St
3rd
2. Marcus Martin – USC
3. Travis Swanson – Arkansas
4th
4. Russell Bodine – North Carolina
5. Bryan Stork – Florida St
6th
6. James Stone – Tennessee
7. Gabe Ikard – Oklahoma
7th
8. Tyler Larsen – Utah St
9. Jonotthan Harrison – Florida
FA
10. Matt Armstrong – Grand Valley St
11. Corey Linsley – Ohio St
UDFA
12. Matt Paradis – Boise St
13. Khalil Wilkes – Stanford
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DE
1st
1. Jadeveon Clowney – South Carolina
2. Kony Ealy – Missouri
3. Stephon Tuitt – Notre Dame
4. Kareem Martin – North Carolina
2nd
5. Trent Murphy – Stanford
6. Chris Smith – Arkansas
7. Scott Crichton – Oregon St
3rd
8. Jackson Jeffcoat – Texas
9. Marcus Smith – Louisville
10. Trevor Reilly – Utah
11. Adrian Hubbard – Alabama
4th
12. Brent Urban – Virginia
13. Will Clarke – West Virginia
5th
14. Demarcus Lawrence – Boise St
15. Taylor Hart – Oregon
16. Josh Mauro – Stanford
6th
17. Aaron Lynch – USF
18. Larry Webster – Bloomsburg
19. Michael Sam – Missouri
7th
20. Devon Kennard – USC
21. James Gayle – Virginia Tech
22. Kasim Edeball – Boston College
23. Jonathan Newsome – Ball St
FA
24. Cassius Marsh – UCLA
25. Nosa Eguae – Auburn
26. Zach Moore – Concordia-St. Paul
27. Kenny Anunike – Duke
UDFA
28. I.K. Enemkpali – Louisiana Tech
29. Kerry Wynn – Richmond
30. Ethan Westbrooks – West Texas A&M
31. Tevin Mims – South Florida
32. Ben Gardner – Stanford
33. Chaz Sutton – South Carolina

DT
1st
1. Aaron Donald – Pittsburgh
2. Timmy Jernigan – Florida St
3. Louis Nix – Notre Dame
2nd
4. Ra’Shede Hageman – Minnesota
5. Dominique Easley – Florida
6. Kelcy Quarles – South Carolina
7. Will Sutton – Arizona St
3rd
8. DaQuan Jones – Penn St
9. DeAndre Coleman – California
10. Ego Ferguson – LSU
4th
11. Caraun Reid – Princeton
12. Anthony Johnson – LSU
13. George Uko – USC
14. Ryan Carrethers – Arkansas St
5th
15. Daniel McCullers – Tennessee
16. Shamar Stephen – Connecticut
17. Ed Stinson – Alabama
6th
18. Justin Ellis – Louisiana Tech
19. Zach Kerr – Delware
20. Jeoffrey Pagan – Alabama
21. Eathyn Manumaleuna – BYU
7th
22. Jay Bromley – Syracuse
23. Mike Pennel – Colorado St-Pueblo
24. Kaleb Ramsey – Boston College
25. Chris Whaley – Texas
FA
26. Khyri Thornton – Southern Mississippi
UDFA
27. Robert Thomas – Arkansas
28. Tenny Palepoi – Utah
29. Kerry Hyder – Texas Tech
30. Bruce Gaston – Purdue
31. Calvin Barnett – Oklahoma St

OLB
1st
1. Khalil Mack – Buffalo
2. Anthony Barr – UCLA
3. Ryan Shazier – Ohio St
4. Kyle Van Noy – BYU
5. Dee Ford – Auburn
2nd
6. Lamin Barrow – LSU
3rd
7. Telvin Smith – Florida St
8. Jeremiah Attaochu – Georgia Tech
4th
9. Jordan Zumwalt – UCLA
10. Kevin Pierre-Louis – Boston College
11. Christian Kirksey – Iowa
12. Tyler Starr – South Dakota
5th
13. Jordan Tripp – Montana
14. Prince Shembo – Notre Dame
15. Khairi Fortt – California
6th
16. Boseko Lokombo – Oregon
17. Howard Jones – Shepherd
7th
18. Anthony Hitchens – Iowa
FA
19. Morgan Breslin – USC
UDFA
20. Ronald Powell – Florida
21. Denicos Allen – Michigan St
22. Corey Nelson – Oklahoma

ILB
1st
1. C.J. Moseley – Alabama
2nd
2. Carl Bradford – Arizona St
3. Chris Borland – Wisconsin
4. Yawin Smallwood – Connecticut
5. Shayne Skov – Stanford
3rd
6. Christian Jones – Florida St
4th
7. Andrew Jackson – Western Kentucky
5th
8. Max Bullough – Michigan St
6th
9. Preston Brown – Louisville
10. Avery Williamson – Kentucky
7th
11. James Morris – Iowa
12. Greg Blair – Cincinnati
13. Shaquil Barrett – Colorado St
FA
14. Devin Unga – BYU
15. Jeremiah George – Iowa St
UDFA
16. Glenn Carson – Penn St
17. Jonathan Brown – Illinois

CB
1st
1. Justin Gilbert – Oklahoma St
2. Darqueze Dennard – Michigan St
3. Jason Verrett – TCU
4. Kyle Fuller – Virginia Tech
2nd
5. Bradley Roby – Ohio St
6. Keith McGill – Utah
3rd
7. Marcus Roberson – Florida
8. E.J. Gaines – Missouri
9. Terrance Mitchell – Oregon
4th
10. Ross Cockrell – Duke
11. Loucheiz Purifoy – Florida
12. Rashaad Reynolds – Oregon St
13. Antone Exum – Virginia Tech
14. Jaylen Watkins – Florida
15. Andre Hal – Vanderbilt
5th
16. Jabari Price – North Carolina
17. Aaron Colvin – Oklahoma
18. Phillip Gaines – Rice
19. Bashaud Breeland – Clemson
20. Bennett Jackson – Notre Dame
6th
21. Victor Hampton – South Carolina
22. B.J. Lowery – Iowa
23. Deion Belue – Alabama
24. Nevin Lawson – Utah St
7th
25. Brandon Dixon – Northwest Missouri St
26. Chris Davis – Auburn
FA
27. Kendall James – Maine
28. Travis Carrie – Ohio
29. Marcus Williams – North Dakota St
30. Keith Reaser – Florida Atlantic
31. Todd Washington – Southeastern Louisiana
UDFA
32. Walt Aikens – Liberty
33. Demetri Goodson – Baylor
34. Ricardo Allen – Purdue
35. Carrington Byndom – Texas
36. Dexter McDougle – Maryland

FS
1st
1. HaHa Clinton-Dix – Alabama
2nd
2. Lamarcus Joyner – Florida St
3. Deone Bucannon – Washington St
4. Calvin Pryor – Louisville
3rd
5. Terrence Brooks – Florida St
6. Pierre Desir – Lindenwood
7. Jimmie Ward – Northern Illinois
4th
8. Stanley Jean-Baptiste – Nebraska
9. Tre Boston – North Carolina
5th
10. Dontae Johnson – North Carolina St
11. Marqueston Huff – Wyoming
6th
12. Jonathan Dowling – Western Kentucky
FA
13. Alden Darby – Arizona St
14. Jemea Thomas – Georgia Tech
UDFA
15. Dez Southward – Wisconsin
16. Lavelle Westbrooks – Georgia Southern
17. Christian Bryant – Ohio St

SS
2nd
1. Craig Loston – LSU
3rd
2. Ed Reynolds – Stanford
4th
3. Ahmad Dixon – Baylor
4. Kenny Ladler – Vanderbilt
6th
5. Daniel Sorensen – BYU
6. Brock Vereen – Minnesota
7. Dion Bailey – USC
8. Mo Alexander – Utah St
9. Isaiah Lewis – Michigan St
FA
10. Hakeem Smith – Louisville
11. Nickoe Whitley – Mississippi St
UDFA
12. Vinnie Sunseri – Alabama
13. Nat Berhe – San Diego St
14. Ty Zimmerman – Kansas St
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K
6th
1. Anthony Fera – Texas
7th
2. Chris Boswell – Rice
3. Jeff Budzien – Northwestern
UDFA
4. Zach Hocker – Arkansas
5. Cairo Santos – Tulane
6. Mike Meyer – Iowa
7. Aaron Jones – Baylor

P
6th
1. Steven Clark – Auburn
7th
2. Pat O’Donnell – Miami
FA
3. Tom Hornsey – Memphis
UDFA
4. Richie Leone – Houston
5. Cody Webster – Purdue
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MSR, someone please get him for me.

Do your rankings change at all if we're solely looking at 3-4 two-gap? Or are you just looking at pure talent at their listed position regardless of scheme?
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MSR, someone please get him for me.

Do your rankings change at all if we're solely looking at 3-4 two-gap? Or are you just looking at pure talent at their listed position regardless of scheme?
This is not specific to the Texans. This is just based on overall talent. The board would look drastically different if it were specifically for the Texans. A lot of talented players would be left off completely due to scheme, injury, attitude, or any number of reasons.
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That's the next exercise -- doing a Texans draft board vs. an overall.

Great as usual, MSR.
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This is not specific to the Texans. This is just based on overall talent. The board would look drastically different if it were specifically for the Texans. A lot of talented players would be left off completely due to scheme, injury, attitude, or any number of reasons.
That's what I thought. Just wanted to make sure. Thanks again for this! Awesome job!
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36 w/ 1st round grade - wonder who'll be getting a steal in the early 2nd.
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36 w/ 1st round grade - wonder who'll be getting a steal in the early 2nd.
35. Leaves us some good options at #33.
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That's the next exercise -- doing a Texans draft board vs. an overall.

Great as usual, MSR.
Got him, great job Bah.

There should be one of your guys in every rd for the Texans to pick.

Our DB ratings are different. Although I didn't go as in depth as you have. I also have Justin Ellis rated in the 3rd/4th rd range. Glad to see you've got my sleeper OL picked (Patchan)
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Got him, great job Bah.

There should be one of your guys in every rd for the Texans to pick.

Our DB ratings are different. Although I didn't go as in depth as you have. I also have Justin Ellis rated in the 3rd/4th rd range. Glad to see you've got my sleeper OL picked (Patchan)
I think we're both huge fans of Patchan. I'd love to see him stay healthy for awhile. He's very talented.

I like Ellis but don't love him. Like most big DTs who played at small schools, he is very raw and needs a lot of coaching. He's gotten by on size only up to this point.
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I think we're both huge fans of Patchan. I'd love to see him stay healthy for awhile. He's very talented.

I like Ellis but don't love him. Like most big DTs who played at small schools, he is very raw and needs a lot of coaching. He's gotten by on size only up to this point.
He's got good feet though.

Reminds me of Kendrick Ellis/Chris Baker. 2 very solid big guys.
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What's the difference between a FA and an UDFA? Wouldn't a FA also be undrafted?

I know you have them at #2 and #3 WR, but do you really like Beckham over Mike Evans?
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A UDFA is a person who didn't get drafted and therefore is free to sign with any team. (Undrafted Free Agent)

A FA is a player who may or may not have been drafted, had signed a contract with an NFL team and could've either been been released or played out their contract. Either way they are no longer under contract therefore making them a free agent (FA).
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What's the difference between a FA and an UDFA? Wouldn't a FA also be undrafted?

I know you have them at #2 and #3 WR, but do you really like Beckham over Mike Evans?
Right now, the big difference is FAs can be signed before the next draft.
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Right now, the big difference is FAs can be signed before the next draft.
Look at the question in context. We are in the draft forum. It is on post combine rankings. The list obviously is not talking about FAs in the sense of NFL players who are no longer under contract due to expiration of their contract or release as none are listed.
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There's no real difference. It's only my designation to signify a difference in talent level. I can see how it looks confusing.

The guys I list as FA are guys that I wouldn't use a pick on but I could see why a team would. They are also the first guys I expect to be picked up as free agents as soon as the last pick is in. Basically the top crop of undrafted players.

The guys I list as UDFA are guys that I wouldn't draft whatsoever but I think they could possibly make a roster in the right situation.

I tried to clear this up in the original post but I don't think I did a very good job.

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I do. He is quicker, more athletic, has better hands, and is far more polished. That's not to say that Evans is deficient in any of those areas, but I have Beckham rated higher in each one. Basically, Evans' only advantage is that he's bigger.
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I do. He is quicker, more athletic, has better hands, and is far more polished. That's not to say that Evans is deficient in any of those areas, but I have Beckham rated higher in each one. Basically, Evans' only advantage is that he's bigger.
I don't agree with all of the advantages you've given Beckham over Evans. But even if I did, you're dismissing Evans' size advantage too quickly. Look at the top WRs in the NFL. Their profile fits Evans more so than Beckham. Big WRs are dominating the league. Evans has 5" and 30lbs on Beckham, and is plenty athletic. I think the conversation should be who is #1 between Watkins and Evans rather than who is #2.
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I don't agree with all of the advantages you've given Beckham over Evans. But even if I did, you're dismissing Evans' size advantage too quickly. Look at the top WRs in the NFL. Their profile fits Evans more so than Beckham. Big WRs are dominating the league. Evans has 5" and 30lbs on Beckham, and is plenty athletic. I think the conversation should be who is #1 between Watkins and Evans rather than who is #2.
I tend to agree with Lucky on this one. Reminds me of a faster version of Jimmy Graham. He is going to be a match-up nightmare for most teams. A prime time player, tested out very close in respective combine, close to same arm length, vertical & forty (Jimmy outweighed him by 30 lbs).
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I don't agree with all of the advantages you've given Beckham over Evans. But even if I did, you're dismissing Evans' size advantage too quickly. Look at the top WRs in the NFL. Their profile fits Evans more so than Beckham. Big WRs are dominating the league. Evans has 5" and 30lbs on Beckham, and is plenty athletic. I think the conversation should be who is #1 between Watkins and Evans rather than who is #2.
To each their own. It depends on how you define the top WRs in the NFL. By the top 10 in receiving yards last season here is where their size measures:

Similar to Evans:
Calvin Johnson
Demaryius Thomas
Andre Johnson

Closer to Evans than Beckham:
Josh Gordon
Alshon Jeffery
Jordy Nelson

Closer to Beckham than Evans:
A.J. Green
Pierre Garcon

Similar to Beckham:
Antonio Brown
DeSean Jackson

That's a pretty wide variety of guys. It's not like every single great WR is 6-4, 230. There are dominant big WRs in the NFL. I would never deny that. But just because Evans is big too does not mean that he will be just as dominant. I have this argument with a different poster every single year and I've been right every time so far (which may mean I'm due to be wrong soon). Size is a great thing to have for a WR, but it can also be a detriment to development. Too often these big guys don't develop the necessary skills to beat coverage because they have never had to. Then they get to the NFL and it's a whole different world.

The main point is that I see Evans as a more dominating athlete with a higher potential ceiling, but I see Beckham as a more skilled football player with a far higher floor because he has already learned the intricacies of the position as he will have to play it at the next level. That's on tape and not debatable.

Evans is very raw and gets by on being bigger than the guy covering him. When he faced CBs with NFL talent (E.J. Gaines, Ross Cockrell) who he couldn't out-athlete he disappeared, even with Manziel throwing to him.

If you watch the games where Beckham has poor numbers you see him getting open consistently, but his QB can't get him the ball. That's not a problem Evans had except when they played LSU.

Will Evans improve his skills when he gets to the NFL? I'm sure he will. But so will Beckham. Just because he's further along does not mean he will stop getting better.
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