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View Poll Results: Who would be your #1 pick?
Clowney DE 23 21.90%
Mack OLB 3 2.86%
Bridgewater QB 40 38.10%
Manziel QB 16 15.24%
Bortles QB 6 5.71%
Watkins WR 3 2.86%
Matthews OT 4 3.81%
Robinson OT 10 9.52%
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Old 03-16-2014   #161
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The more I watch Bridgewater, the more I like him. I'm serious when I say he's probably the most NFL ready prospect in this draft.
His most impressive throws are darts into tight coverage.... but they are few & far between. When I'm looking for "all the throws" I'm expecting to see quick outs, out routes in general, fades along the sideline, deep posts, as well as a plethora of throws to the middle of the field; slants, deep slants, deep crossers, post routes, etc...

I did not chart Teddy's throws, nor any of the other QBs, but there is a lack of out routes in just about all of them. Teddy in particular, I get the feeling he mostly throws curl routes, & comebacks outside the hashes. Slants & shallow crossers to the middle, some comebacks.

As far as being pro ready, or the most pro ready, it's difficult for me to say that about any QB playing in the ACC, the Big East even (unless it were basketball).

A good prospect no doubt. The best prospect, maybe. He is most probably going to have a nice NFL career. I'm thinking along the lines of Matthew Stafford, especially with the receivers we've got (assuming Andre has a couple of more top of the league performances left in him). Someone said Matt Ryan the other day, I can see that as well.

But I still do not see him as an elite talent, or someone we can pass elite talent on.
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His most impressive throws are darts into tight coverage.... but they are few & far between. When I'm looking for "all the throws" I'm expecting to see quick outs, out routes in general, fades along the sideline, deep posts, as well as a plethora of throws to the middle of the field; slants, deep slants, deep crossers, post routes, etc...

I did not chart Teddy's throws, nor any of the other QBs, but there is a lack of out routes in just about all of them. Teddy in particular, I get the feeling he mostly throws curl routes, & comebacks outside the hashes. Slants & shallow crossers to the middle, some comebacks.

As far as being pro ready, or the most pro ready, it's difficult for me to say that about any QB playing in the ACC, the Big East even (unless it were basketball).

A good prospect no doubt. The best prospect, maybe. He is most probably going to have a nice NFL career. I'm thinking along the lines of Matthew Stafford, especially with the receivers we've got (assuming Andre has a couple of more top of the league performances left in him). Someone said Matt Ryan the other day, I can see that as well.

But I still do not see him as an elite talent, or someone we can pass elite talent on.

Do you really see us being in a position to pass on a QB in the Stafford/Ryan caliber if that's what our staff really believes about any of these guys? I don't see it.
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I'm thinking along the lines of Matthew Stafford, especially with the receivers we've got (assuming Andre has a couple of more top of the league performances left in him). Someone said Matt Ryan the other day, I can see that as well.

But I still do not see him as an elite talent, or someone we can pass elite talent on.
We are so worlds apart on this, it's not even funny. And I'm not talking about the evaluation of TB or BB.

If Matt Ryan or Matthew Stafford were the QBs we were talking about here, then we'd HAVE to take one of them. Those are two QBs that you can build an offense around and be very successful with for years to come.

My hesitation with the QBs is that I'm not convinced they're up to that level.

If OB is, then he should take one of them.
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Fearful Wilfork is our next Ed Reed and Clowney is another Vernon Gholston.
Agree with you about Wilfork after reading C-N-D's post about Wilforks injury in another thread. No way Clowney is another Gholston.
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Do you really see us being in a position to pass on a QB in the Stafford/Ryan caliber if that's what our staff really believes about any of these guys? I don't see it.
Yes, because I think McCarron, Murray, & Fales to be of the same caliber.

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We are so worlds apart on this, it's not even funny. And I'm not talking about the evaluation of TB or BB.

If Matt Ryan or Matthew Stafford were the QBs we were talking about here, then we'd HAVE to take one of them. Those are two QBs that you can build an offense around and be very successful with for years to come.

My hesitation with the QBs is that I'm not convinced they're up to that level.

If OB is, then he should take one of them.
I said probably. If I were convinced that one of them will I'd agree, we have to take one. But I'm not. I've got a list of 6 that I believe will probably attain that level of success. I won't draft a QB in the top 5, passing on an elite talent, when 3 QBs likely to achieve the same success will be available at 2-1.

This is a deep QB class. Just like we've been saying since last off-season. No Andrew Lucks, but a whole lot of Staffords.
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No Andrew Lucks, but a whole lot of Staffords.
And again, that's where we differ.

I don't see these guys as a whole lot of Staffords because I think Stafford is a helluva lot better than you seem to be giving him credit for being.

I see this crop as being a whole bunch of Brady Quinn and John David Booty.
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Hah, we just keep dancing this same dance in the same circle in thread after thread. I won't bite on this one though.

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The biggest hole on this team is RT.
Interesting... I could have sworn I saw something different when watching the games last year. Definitely a need though.
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And again, that's where we differ.

I don't see these guys as a whole lot of Staffords because I think Stafford is a helluva lot better than you seem to be giving him credit for being.

I see this crop as being a whole bunch of Brady Quinn and John David Booty.
I'm with you. TK seems to be taking anyone who is not a dead lock and throwing them into one big "probable" pile and considering everyone in the pile equal. I'll take 90% probable over 5% probable.
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His most impressive throws are darts into tight coverage.... but they are few & far between. When I'm looking for "all the throws" I'm expecting to see quick outs, out routes in general, fades along the sideline, deep posts, as well as a plethora of throws to the middle of the field; slants, deep slants, deep crossers, post routes, etc.....
I would take another look, because those are exactly the throws Bridgewater makes.
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I see this crop as being a whole bunch of Brady Quinn and John David Booty.
Not Bridgewater, not for me.
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Not Bridgewater, not for me.
The top 2 in this draft are the only ones I think have a legitimate shot of NOT being in that group. But I'm not sure it's a great shot.

Of the QBs, it's Bridgewater or Bortles with Bridgewater having the best shot at being a great QB.
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And again, that's where we differ.

I don't see these guys as a whole lot of Staffords because I think Stafford is a helluva lot better than you seem to be giving him credit for being.

I see this crop as being a whole bunch of Brady Quinn and John David Booty.
If this is a Quinn, Booty QB class then drafting a QB 1-1 should be out of the question.
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If this is a Quinn, Booty QB class then drafting a QB 1-1 should be out of the question.
Which is why I prefer Robinson, Matthews, or Watkins.
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Just because YOU think every QB in this draft is Booty doesn't mean that's true.

Onto other subjects... you might find 1 or 2 NFL throws in this reel if you want to see if he doesn't make any:

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The top 2 in this draft are the only ones I think have a legitimate shot of NOT being in that group. But I'm not sure it's a great shot.

Of the QBs, it's Bridgewater or Bortles with Bridgewater having the best shot at being a great QB.
Actually, even though I'm pulling for Bridgewater, I think Manziel could be the greatest of this draft class. He could also be the absolute worst, which is what makes me cross his name off at 1-1.
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And again, that's where we differ.

I don't see these guys as a whole lot of Staffords because I think Stafford is a helluva lot better than you seem to be giving him credit for being.

I see this crop as being a whole bunch of Brady Quinn and John David Booty.
Fair enough, we're in the same camp; Robinson, Watkins, Clowney, I'll even throw Mack in there.
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I'm all in on Khalil Mack as BPA. I believe he's going to beast in the NFL. We need a QB but there are no #1s there. I think the braintrust have probably got a plan in place to address that. Things move slowly on Kirby Dr. ya know?
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There are currently four guys I am considering at 1:1

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There are currently four guys I am considering at 1:1

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I think right now it is coming down to 3 scenarios for the front office:

1. Take bpa which most people believe to be Clowney.
2. Take the QB you like, which seems to be Bortles.
3. Trade down (maybe even for a "bad" offer).

Manziel and Bridgewater could be the guy with the second scenario, but everything we are reading points to Bortles. And it doesn`t seem that any other player stands out the way Clowney does.

Of those 3 scenarios Id go with number 3 as long as we don`t drop out of the top 8 and get another first rounder (this year or next year) or at least an early second rounder back.
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I think right now it is coming down to 3 scenarios for the front office:

1. Take bpa which most people believe to be Clowney.
2. Take the QB you like, which seems to be Bortles.
3. Trade down (maybe even for a "bad" offer).

Manziel and Bridgewater could be the guy with the second scenario, but everything we are reading points to Bortles. And it doesn`t seem that any other player stands out the way Clowney does.

Of those 3 scenarios Id go with number 3 as long as we don`t drop out of the top 8 and get another first rounder (this year or next year) or at least an early second rounder back.
I'm all for trading down for a bad offer.

I'm not inclined to be fussy or demanding.

I'd swap 1:1 for most teams 1, 2, 3
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