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Old 02-21-2014   #141
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I think it's a factor if you play in bad weather also .
it is..but for most guys except the truly gifted..the Russell Wilson's of the world, throwing the ball in bad weather is always gonna be an issue. My hand size is closer to Bortles' & i can remember always having issues with gripping the ball on cold & rainy days.
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I just asked our computer lab admin for a tape measure so I could measure my hand. He told me to "Get the **** out of here!" But he tells me that every day.
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In the bad news section, Dustin Vaughan's hands are only 8 7/8 inches.

Still that will push him down to where he is available to the Texans as a FA.
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I'm more of a data person than a chart person. I noticed the charts were not consistent in what they measured or where they were positioned, so it's like comparing Apples, Oranges, Pears, Grapefruits, Grapes and Strawberries with various vegetables included just to confuse the issues.

The charts have no context.
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I just asked our computer lab admin for a tape measure so I could measure my hand. He told me to "Get the **** out of here!" But he tells me that every day.
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I need to find a tape measure and measure my hand to get some perspective on all this.
I must be doing it wrong. I measured from the tip of my pinky to the tip of my thumb and it measured 10" and I do not have large hands.

Hmm... My right hand is only 9 7/8" while my left hand is 10" and I'm right handed.

I may have to rethink the size of my hands. I have always had to get xl gloves, but I thought it was primarily for thickness and I always thought my fingers were somewhat stubby. I thought putting my hand up against my oldest son confirmed it because his fingers stretch beyond mine by 1/2 inch to an inch in all directions.

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I'm more of a data person than a chart person. I noticed the charts were not consistent in what they measured or where they were positioned, so it's like comparing Apples, Oranges, Pears, Grapefruits, Grapes and Strawberries with various vegetables included just to confuse the issues.

The charts have no context.
I think everything was measured , the data that was most relative to that QB was charted .
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MANZIEL 511 and , 207 with 9 7/8 hands.
BRIDGEWATER 62 1/8, 214 with 9 hands.
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Manziel is pretty stout at not quite 6 foot but 207lbs, Teddy heavier than expected but tiny hands, and Bortles is a giant.
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I need to find a tape measure and measure my hand to get some perspective on all this.
tip of your little finger to the tip of your thumb on your throwing hand. If < 9" you're out as an NFL QB, if 9" or > you're in as a NFL QB. Your's truly = 9 1/2"
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Okay, I'm going to take that as a "we have less than zero interest in Johnny Manziel" from Cardinals Bruce Arians.

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Carroll on running QBs: We've also seen you can't last in this league running at QB. You don't have to be runners to be effective.

Carroll: But not everybody that's 5'11 can play QB.

Seahawks Pete Carroll: Prior to the last couple of years, the general thinking was a guy of Russell's stature couldn't play, and that's wrong.
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Context of fumbles/snaps via @JPSTATS

McCarron 1476 (8)
Manziel 1725 (5)
Bridgewater 1681 (8)

2013 only
Bortles 811 (8)
Carr 1010 (1)
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Fumble totals over last two years:

Manziel - 5
McCarron - 8
Bortles - 11
Carr - 7
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For those obsessing of the size of hands I bring you this -

Fumbles in 2013:
Bortles - 8
Manziel - 2
Bridewater - 3
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MANZIEL 511 and , 207 with 9 7/8 hands.
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BORTLES 65, 232 with 9 3/8 hands.

Manziel is pretty stout at not quite 6 foot but 207lbs, Teddy heavier than expected but tiny hands, and Bortles is a giant.
Do you even math, bro?
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Bortles had so many fumbles because his pocket work is shoddy and he took a lot of blind hits. He needs a lot of work mechanically, but his size and mobility will entice a lot of teams. Hopefully he gets to sit for a year wherever he goes.
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Bortles had so many fumbles because his pocket work is shoddy and he took a lot of blind hits. He needs a lot of work mechanically, but his size and mobility will entice a lot of teams. Hopefully he gets to sit for a year wherever he goes.
Hmmm ... big strong armed guy with no feel for a pass rush . That sounds like our first QB .
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Hmmm ... big strong armed guy with no feel for a pass rush . That sounds like our first QB .
I'm not saying he has no feel. He's not Logan Thomas. But sometimes he gets locked in downfield and loses himself in the pocket. He lost a lot of fumbles in the pocket this year, but I don't think it's his hands that are the problem. May be a ball handling issue that needs to be coached up.

As much as I dislike Manziel's propensity to scramble, I'd rather my QB see imaginary people and bail out than not see anyone at all.
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Largest
Logan Thomas, Virginia Tech (10 7/8)

Smallest
Jordan Lynch, Northern Illinois and Dustin Vaughan, West Texas A&M (8 7/8)

Others of note
Johnny Manziel, Texas A&M (9 7/8)
Blake Bortles, Central Florida (9 3/8)
Teddy Bridgewater, Louisville (9 1/4)
Tajh Boyd, Clemson (9 5/8)
Derek Carr, Fresno State (9 1/8)
AJ McCarron, Alabama (10)
Jimmy Garoppolo, Eastern Illinois (9 1/4)
Aaron Murray, Georgia (9 1/8)
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Is Bortles throwing? I know Manziel isn't, Is Bridgewater throwing? Any over under guesses on 40 times for these guys?

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Manziel 4.5
Bridgewater 4.6
Bortles 4.8

Height

Manziel 6 0 1/2 UNDER
Bridgewater 6 2 1/4 OVER
Bortles 6 4 1/2 OVER
Scoreboard so far.

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I'm not saying he has no feel. He's not Logan Thomas. But sometimes he gets locked in downfield and loses himself in the pocket. He lost a lot of fumbles in the pocket this year, but I don't think it's his hands that are the problem. May be a ball handling issue that needs to be coached up.

As much as I dislike Manziel's propensity to scramble, I'd rather my QB see imaginary people and bail out than not see anyone at all.
Yup ... I think playmakers aren't afraid , they just can't wait . On the other hand , guys who hear or see stuff that's not there are thinking about getting hit .
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Taylor Lewan's puzzling comments

No player had a weirder press conference than Michigan offensive tackle Taylor Lewan. Often smirking or even chuckling through answers, Lewan deflected questions about his off-field concerns like they were blitzing defensive ends.

Remember the play against Michigan State where Lewan tried to separate Isaiah Lewis' head from his shoulders? Lewan now says their friends. Lewan denied getting into an altercation with an Ohio State fan after the two rivals played last year. He also denied threatening a woman involved in a rape allegation.

There was at least some light-hearted spots with Lewan. He broke down how he blocked Jadeveon Clowney, saying he keyed on the superstar's feet to figure out where the blitz was going. He even claimed to be unbeatable in Super Smash Bros., so he probably has a pretty nice selection of trophies.
He really grew out of favor with me this year. More hype than substance. He was a team captain this year and rubbed a lot of people the wrong way.
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He really grew out of favor with me this year. More hype than substance. He was a team captain this year and rubbed a lot of people the wrong way.
There is nasty for an OL, and then there is whatever the hell Lewan was. Ive said for some time that he struck me as a dirty dumb player at times and stand by that. I feel like he is either on some drugs/meds or he is just f'ed up in the head. Either way I wouldnt touch him until the top o' the 2nd.
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There is nasty for an OL, and then there is whatever the hell Lewan was. Ive said for some time that he struck me as a dirty dumb player at times and stand by that. I feel like he is either on some drugs/meds or he is just f'ed up in the head. Either way I wouldnt touch him until the top o' the 2nd.
He has an Incognito complex. Not saying that he would act the same way in the locker room as RI, but he can't turn that mean streak off when he leaves the field. It's a permanent mentality.
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"When you start comparing quarterbacks, and (for) all of us it's a comparison business when you start doing the draft and everything else, who has been successful with these measurables, what intangibles does he bring," Arians said from the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis Friday. "With those guys, I go back to Doug Flutie, and it took Doug a long time to become a very successful quarterback in the league at that size and that athletic ability."

Looking at some of the successful short quarterbacks, Arians said Manziel's style is different from that of Saints QB Drew Brees -- who is also a little taller -- but added that Seattle's Russell Wilson, who just won a Super Bowl, is helping to show that short quarterbacks can get the job done.

"I think they are starting to see some guys they can compare him to, but there's a bunch of 6-5 successful guys who are athletic," he said. "The 5-11 guys, it has to throw a question mark out there."
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"He's very natural at what he does and you don't want to take a guy's insticts away because that's what got him here," Arians said. "I think the guys like Russell hurt you more when they drop back to pass, and Colin (Kaepernick)...they hurt you when they drop back.

"Now when you design runs for them you're putting them in harm's way because the guys chasing them are a lot bigger and faster than the ones chasing them in college. But to take the natural instinct away from drop back passing to scrambling and going, you never want to do that."
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