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Old 02-25-2014   #541
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On the radio they said we'll actually get to practice as a team before the draft arrives.

That could be a big bonus. OB can get a first hand look at what's what before the draft comes.
It takes a little time to find, but per the collective bargaining agreement, the off season workout program consists of three parts. The first is a two week period of only strength, conditioning and rehabilitation. Next is a three week period of on-field workouts limited to individual player instruction and drills; and "team practice conducted on a separates basis". No live contact is permitted and no team offense vs defense is permitted.

Per the official NFL schedule, April 7 is the date that teams with new head coaches are permitted to start their off season workout program. So we'll have at least 16 days under stage two before the draft.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/schedules/keydates
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March 27, Johnny Manziel

Manziel needs to show the same velocity to all levels of the field with proper anticipation and placement at the top of each route. A pro day setting won't give Manziel a chance to show off his instinctive and elusive scrambling, but it will help show his ability to operate from within the pocket. It won't be surprising if a broom or two is involved to help simulate Manziel throwing over outstretched hands at the line of scrimmage. He seems to step up on the big stage so with every eye on him at his pro day look for Manziel to perform well.
...well, maybe not a broom...

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One thing I've learned about evaluating draft classes: the guy who's hot this year can fall of next year. I was pulling for Tajh Boyd. Now Tajh Boyd is barely being discussed on this board.

Waiting for next year doesn't mean the guy you want to come out will be as good as you thought he'd be.
Or they could improve, which I think Winston/Mariota/Hundley/Hogan will do.

After his horrible bowl game (Really disappointed me) Petty will probably go in the 2/3rd rd range. But he's got the arm strength/mobility to be a starting QB in the NFL. IMHO

My sleeper QB's this yr, Garappolo/Murray
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After power agent Tom Condon inked Robert Griffin III in 2012, he sent a private jet to Waco to fly RG3 out to Arizona to work with Terry Shea, the former Rutgers coach who is now a quarterback coach. Shea has worked with several Condon-signed QBs, such as Blaine Gabbert, Sam Bradford and Josh Freeman.
Except RG3 didnít want to go. He was open to working with a QB coach, but didnít want to work with Shea. As the story goes

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Or they could improve, which I think Winston/Mariota/Hundley/Hogan will do.

After his horrible bowl game (Really disappointed me) Petty will probably go in the 2/3rd rd range. But he's got the arm strength/mobility to be a starting QB in the NFL. IMHO

My sleeper QB's this yr, Garappolo/Murray
He put up impressive numbers, but when you stay in school, your game gets ruthlessly dissected (see Barkley, Matt). A few questions into Boydís trip to the podium, an overhead speaker announced Sammy Watkins would be taking questions nearby, and a third of the crowd bolted to hear what the likely Top 10 pick had to say. Boyd, undeterred and upbeat, took all the difficult queries and deflected them as if he were a missile shield.

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the NFL wants to see as many games as possible not to see these guys progress, but to get rid of the frauds...and given the money/time involved at the QB position in particular I don't blame them.
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Waiting for next year doesn't mean the guy you want to come out will be as good as you thought he'd be.
No, Maybe not that specific player you are keeping an eye on....


But chances are there will be someone (or a few) that deserves some consideration.
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It takes a little time to find, but per the collective bargaining agreement, the off season workout program consists of three parts. The first is a two week period of only strength, conditioning and rehabilitation. Next is a three week period of on-field workouts limited to individual player instruction and drills; and "team practice conducted on a separates basis". No live contact is permitted and no team offense vs defense is permitted.

Per the official NFL schedule, April 7 is the date that teams with new head coaches are permitted to start their off season workout program. So we'll have at least 16 days under stage two before the draft.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/schedules/keydates
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...eason-workouts
Cool...

That should do us some good heading into the draft.
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A NFL draft truth I know: after all the bitching & hype, over 250 players will be drafted and about 25 of them will actually be really good.

Probably the most honest and accurate assessment of the draft I've heard.
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It was hard to find a player at the NFL Scouting Combine who hadn't put in a lot of work leading up to the event. So many of them performed above expectations -- not just the high-profile guys, but even the ones projected to go lower in the draft, which is a good sign.

Two things stood out for me at the combine: First, the emphasis on strength these days is unbelievable. Players these days are more strength-conscious than ever before.

To give you an idea of why that's notable, in 1997, an offensive line prospect out of Washington State named Scott Sanderson, who was a third-round pick by the Titans, threw the bar up only six times. At this year's combine, every offensive lineman who performed in the bench press put up 20 reps or more. That's never happened before.

The other thing that stood out for me was the incredible speed of these prospects, particularly the receivers and running backs. Of the 75 or so WRs and RBs at the combine, I personally timed 17 of them at under 4.4 seconds, and two of them at under 4.3 -- Oregon State's Brandin Cooks and Kent State's Dri Archer. (Officially, Archer was the only player who posted a sub-4.3 time, at 4.26; Cooks' official time was 4.33.)

On Wednesday, I talked about some of the top draft prospects who stood out at the combine. Let's turn to some of the less-talked-about guys at the combine who caught my attention, listed here in alphabetical order.

(The 40 times mentioned below are ones that I hand-timed myself at the combine. The official times are listed in parentheses.)
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People need to stop talking about Andre Williams. I'm hoping we can get him in the 4th/5th.
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People need to stop talking about Andre Williams. I'm hoping we can get him in the 4th/5th.
Ehh not a fan. Straight line runner that doesn't make guys miss, can't catch the ball, and doesn't have experience blocking. Reminds me of Shonn Greene.
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Ehh not a fan. Straight line runner that doesn't make guys miss, can't catch the ball, and doesn't have experience blocking. Reminds me of Shonn Greene.
Cant catch, (understatement) will make Williams undraftable in BOB's offense. Damien Williams is a late rd guy who I think would make a great fit in BOB's offense.
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Cant catch, (understatement) will make Williams undraftable in BOB's offense. Damien Williams is a late rd guy who I think would make a great fit in BOB's offense.
I was a big fan of taking James White (Wisconsin) late, but he's not really under the radar anymore. I really like LaDarius Perkins (Mississippi State) as a passing down back.
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If Andre Williams falls to the late rounds I would automatically be opposed to taking him. At the very least I see him as a dependable back that will get you tough yards. Might be a good special teams guy.

I wouldn't touch him early because he lacks dimensions to his game. But he's not an ordinary bruising back. He doesn't simply lower his shoulders and truck people. He has powerful legs which help him slip arm tackles. He's a hard guy to bring down and he runs with some aggression. I don't see that part if his game changing in the nfl.
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* As I wrote a month ago, Va. Tech QB Logan Thomas is a fascinating case for NFL personnel people. Thomas actually didn't have much quarterbacking experience before arriving at Tech. He was recruited as a tight end. He had a terrific sophomore year but was shaky the past two years as the skill talent around him declined. His accuracy is suspect and his decision-making is too. His physical tools and size are jaw-dropping as NFL folks now can attest. At 6-6, 250, he had the fastest 40 among all the QBs (4.61), the best vertical (35.5), longest broad-jump (9-10) and also most velocity on his throws (60 mph... Pitt's Tom Savage was next at 57 mph I'm told). Having spent a lot of time around Thomas for the past two months for my upcoming QB book, I've found him very easy-going and likable. Of course, the latter two impressions don't necessarily mean he'll impress NFL brass in interviews who are looking for presence and confidence in their QB prospects. Still, Thomas as a developmental project will be very tempting for some NFL teams I suspect.

* Quietly, a great trip for Stanford's hard-running Tyler Gaffney...

* I spoke to several NFL personnel folks who came away loving LSU WR/KR Odell Beckham Jr. almost as much as...

* There are two-super sized WRs in this draft: Texas A&M's Mike Evans and FSU's Kelvin Benjamin. Evans was the...

* Speaking of Evans, Missouri CB E.J. Gaines, who lined up against many of the best WRs in the SEC, called Vandy's smooth Jordan Matthews, not Evans, the top wideout he faced in his career. Like Evans, Matthews has...

* I think if O-linemen worked out later in the week than at the start of the combine more people outside of Indy would've been talking about...

* I don't care about Jadeveon Clowney's relatively low number of reps (21) benching 225. Clowney, again, more than backed up beliefs that he's the Freakiest athlete we've seen in college football in a long time with his 4.53 40 weighing 266 pounds. Clowney basically repped the same number on the bench as two of the NFL's top pass-rushers this year, Robert Quinn and Greg Hardy. And Clowney is even more explosive than they are. I do think his lack of effort at times is cause for concern, but for those saying he is just a workout warrior, keep in mind he averaged 0.67 sacks a game in his college career--only two other active college players were higher in 2013, as South Carolina's Charles Bloom pointed out.

* The D-lineman who had the best week in Indy though was Pitt's Aaron Donald, who was...

* I've been chirping about Buffalo's Kahlil Mack all season and was...

* I had a chance to visit with an NFL linebackers coach not long after he'd met with former Ohio State star Ryan Shazier. The coach seemed surprised -- and thrilled that...

* South Dakota's Tyler Starr didn't set the combine record for linebackers in the three-cone drill like he thought he might. His time of...

The small-school LB that created the most buzz in Indy was Montana's Jordan Tripp...

* I'm a big Darqueze Dennard fan. He's physical and tough and was the closest thing to a lock-down corner as we get in college football, but after watching the DBs group in Indy, I suspect Oklahoma State's Justin Gilbert will be the top corner picked. He measured at over 6-0 and weighed 202 while running 4.37. He also has terrific film.

* Shrinkage is rarely a good thing although in...

* Over the years of doing the Freaks list there's been some skepticism about the validity of some of the testing numbers included in the stories. Thanks to Aaron Aloysius, for the headsup noting the case of Ole Miss WR Donte Moncrief, who last year put up these numbers: 4.44 in the 40, 11-1 broad jump and 39-inch vertical. At the combine, his numbers almost mirrored them: 4.40 in the 40; 11-0 in the broad jump and 39.5 vertical.

* Last note: I don't know how much Mizzou pays strength coach Pat Ivey, but I'm pretty sure whatever it is, the school is getting...
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LOL did he just walk there from Indy or something?

I enjoyed watching Muema play in college but there's some kind of crazy going on in his head and I hope the Texans want no part of it.
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LOL did he just walk there from Indy or something?

I enjoyed watching Muema play in college but there's some kind of crazy going on in his head and I hope the Texans want no part of it.
Yep, they do a little sleep deprivation at the Combine and that's often when psych issues show up.
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