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Old 06-03-2014   #121
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Though, he has not actually come right out and said it, you'd have to have the perception of a complete moron to not understand that he no longer has his heart in it. Whether they can work out a trade for him or not, all I know is, that based upon his statements.....

...... is that if I see him on the field this season in a Texans uniform, he'll be just going thru the motions. Now, some might think that will be good enough, but I don't.
Well put me in the complete moron camp.

I know his heart isn't in it. That's why he isn't in camp. He's asking himself if he's got another season in himself, if he can go through this again. He didn't say, but I'm sure he's considered whether or not going to another team would help him get to the point mentally to play another season.

This is a young man's game & Andre isn't a young man anymore, relatively speaking. He's relatively healthy & would probably like to stay that way.

But if he does show up in a Texans uniform next season, because of the guy I think I know, I have no doubt that he will give us 100% effort to win every game, every snap. Because that's who he is.

This time last season, Tony Gonzales had made up his mind, that he didn't have another season in him, but his team mates convinced him to give it one more go. & they went 3-13.

It's not that uncommon.
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I might be guilty making assumptions about AJ myself. No, he has not 'demanded' a trade, or anything else. And yes, he has contract, and he should up to that contract.

That said, all of us know by now that AJ doesn't mouth off half-cocked to the press. But he's been around this league long enough to know that if he does talk publicly, people will listen.

Though, he has not actually come right out and said it, you'd have to have the perception of a complete moron to not understand that he no longer has his heart in it. Whether they can work out a trade for him or not, all I know is, that based upon his statements.....

...... is that if I see him on the field this season in a Texans uniform, he'll be just going thru the motions. Now, some might think that will be good enough, but I don't.
Having been his age, he is simply tired both mentally and physically. It makes one pause and evaluate where you are at. It is not a request for a trade, but a reevaluation of priorities in a search for a reinvigorated commitment to your pursuits. Don't make more out of it than there is. It's common, not prima dona behavior.
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Having been his age, he is simply tired both mentally and physically.
Understanding NFL players - especially RB's - age in dog years, he is only 32 and coming of two of the most productive seasons of his entire career. 221 receptions and 3,000 yards.

IMHO, this has nothing to do with him not physically being able to go. There is nothing that says he can't duplicate those stats again this year. It's not about him wanting to play, his desire or his character. He is a competitor and knows he is one solid season away from being Top 5 All Time among receivers.

It's about the risk of doing that and not having any chance to get to a SB. Rarely does a no-brainer HoFer in any sport, that spent most of his career on poor, average or never-good-enough teams, NOT try to go to a contender in the later stages of their career to put the crowning team victory on their individual accomplishments. (see: Drexler, Clyde)
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It's about the risk of doing that and not having any chance to get to a SB. Rarely does a no-brainer HoFer in any sport, that spent most of his career on poor, average or never-good-enough teams, NOT try to go to a contender in the later stages of their career to put the crowning team victory on their individual accomplishments. (see: Drexler, Clyde)
If this were the NBA, I'd agree with you. I can't think of a time when an NFL player has jumped teams looking for a ring & getting one. Too much parity in the league & the season is way too short.
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If AJ retires right now, he is NOT a HOF. As much as I like they guy and want him to be the first Texan in the HOF, his #'s as they stand are not HOF worthy.

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If AJ retires right now, he is NOT a HOF. As much as I like they guy and want him to be the first Texan in the HOF, his #'s as they stand are not HOF worthy.

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So if we want to look at compilation and not years played, here is what you have

55 receptions from passing #10 Randy Moss
97 receptions from passing #7 Isaac Bruce

1,116 yards from passing #10 Henry Ellard
1,343 yards from passing #8 James Lofton

97/1343 is a pretty significant decreased from his performance the last two years. Would you agree that one more "average" season puts his Hall status above question?

That being said, AJ has played 11 seasons. EVERY SINGLE PLAYER ahead of him on the All-Time list played at LEAST 13 seasons, with several playing 15 seasons.

Andre owns or shares the NFL record for 100 reception seasons, 1500 yard seasons, 10/100 games and a few others. He was the 6th fastest receiver in the history of the NFL to reach 10K yards. He was the 2nd fastest receiver in the history of the NFL to reach 900 receptions.

As far as TD's go, that is more system than it is AJ. But that being said, 5 more TD's in his career and he passes SIX receivers who are all in the HoF.

There is nothing about AJ's individual performances that state he would not be a viable Hall candidate right now today.
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If AJ retires right now, he is NOT a HOF. As much as I like they guy and want him to be the first Texan in the HOF, his #'s as they stand are not HOF worthy.

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There is a whole thread dedicated to AJ HoF discussion. Please take that discussion there.

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There is a whole thread dedicated to AJ HoF discussion. Please take that discussion there.

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Why can't every thread be about Case and/or AJ?
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We gotta talk about Johnny somewhere.
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So if we want to look at compilation and not years played, here is what you have

55 receptions from passing #10 Randy Moss
97 receptions from passing #7 Isaac Bruce

1,116 yards from passing #10 Henry Ellard
1,343 yards from passing #8 James Lofton

97/1343 is a pretty significant decreased from his performance the last two years. Would you agree that one more "average" season puts his Hall status above question?

That being said, AJ has played 11 seasons. EVERY SINGLE PLAYER ahead of him on the All-Time list played at LEAST 13 seasons, with several playing 15 seasons.

Andre owns or shares the NFL record for 100 reception seasons, 1500 yard seasons, 10/100 games and a few others. He was the 6th fastest receiver in the history of the NFL to reach 10K yards. He was the 2nd fastest receiver in the history of the NFL to reach 900 receptions.

As far as TD's go, that is more system than it is AJ. But that being said, 5 more TD's in his career and he passes SIX receivers who are all in the HoF.

There is nothing about AJ's individual performances that state he would not be a viable Hall candidate right now today.
You can't compare his numbers in a passing era to guys in a run dominated era.

Every player is a canidate for the HOF. AJ's line number is currently behind a lot of other guys is all I'm saying. Not a automatic in since we have no HOF'ers.

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There is a whole thread dedicated to AJ HoF discussion. Please take that discussion there.

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And this entire thread has been off subject since page 1. AJ' and his no show to OTA' show has been the de facto topic and not " "Nascar": Bill O'Brien's no huddle offense Reply to Thread". Maybe all those convos should be moved too?
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Sorry dude, but thats whining. Boohoo, you made millions while being a teams first HOF and yet you're "unsure" if you want to stay here? Im grateful for the hard work you put in, but thats your job. You get paid to perform to your best and thats what you have done. Congratulations for not sucking?

This is becoming something more than it probably had to be. Im not trying to lay it on Dre, but I do think he should be at OTAs. Thats all.
Hey, man, you are free to believe whatever you choose to believe, and the rest of us are free to agree or disagree.

That said, your thoughts appear to me to be the type fan that Tate was talking about last season.

No disrespect intended, but this is how your attitude comes across to many of us.

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Having been his age, he is simply tired both mentally and physically. It makes one pause and evaluate where you are at. It is not a request for a trade, but a reevaluation of priorities in a search for a reinvigorated commitment to your pursuits. Don't make more out of it than there is. It's common, not prima dona behavior.
Well said, man. I do not understand the inability by some fans to cut AJ some slack after his 11 years of dedication to this franchise.

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If AJ retires right now, he is NOT a HOF. As much as I like they guy and want him to be the first Texan in the HOF, his #'s as they stand are not HOF worthy.

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I agree. And I kinda' figure this was AJ's point. He's burned out. He spent a potential HoF career and his elite talent with a franchise that cannot find its way. I don't fault the guy for not being sure if he wants to keep doing it or not. He could retire today in decent health and a multimillionaire. I would not blame him if he did. Barry Sanders seems at peace with himself.
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Having been his age, he is simply tired both mentally and physically. It makes one pause and evaluate where you are at. It is not a request for a trade, but a reevaluation of priorities in a search for a reinvigorated commitment to your pursuits. Don't make more out of it than there is. It's common, not prima dona behavior.
The competitor in him wants to keep on going. He wants to win.
Meanwhile, his logic center is telling him...
"Here we go again, starting over. The last time it took 5-6 years just to be competitive - just to make it to two lousy playoff games. Then it all went to crap in a heartbeat. Do I have that left in me?"

It's a legitimate question at this point in his career.

TK's Tony Gonzalez comparison is spot on. He gave his all for KC for twelve seasons and in 2008, when it looked like KC wasn't going anywhere (they also finished 2-14 that season), he asked to be traded to a contender.

AJ is at the same sort of crossroads. Except he hasn't asked to be traded.
It's not whining.
It's crossroads decision time.
And its not a decision to be made lightly or in a hurry.
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That said, your thoughts appear to me to be the type fan that Tate was talking about last season.

No disrespect intended, but this is how your attitude comes across to many of us.
Well said. Perfectly said.

I might end up being wrong, but I think the front office is doing everything it possibly can to get AJ the hell out of here, despite the difficulty of the numbers.

Whether his heart is not in it, whether he's burnt out, whether he's just fed up, it doesn't matter. Perception is everything. And if he does come back, whether he just stands on the sidelines the whole time, or he's out on the field playing, there will be the perception with the fans and the media that he just doesn't really want to be here. Period.

For a player of his caliber, that is a condition that's contagious.
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Except he hasn't asked to be traded.
You're right, he hasn't . . . . . . . . . . . publicly.
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Well said. Perfectly said.

I might end up being wrong, but I think the front office is doing everything it possibly can to get AJ the hell out of here, despite the difficulty of the numbers.

Whether his heart is not in it, whether he's burnt out, whether he's just fed up, it doesn't matter. Perception is everything. And if he does come back, whether he just stands on the sidelines the whole time, or he's out on the field playing, there will be the perception with the fans and the media that he just doesn't really want to be here. Period.

For a player of his caliber, that is a condition that's contagious.
With his luck we trade him off and win the superbowl next year.

And if they were actively seeking someone to trade with then we would of heard something, News like that cant be kept a secret no matter how hard they try.
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Well said. Perfectly said.

I might end up being wrong, but I think the front office is doing everything it possibly can to get AJ the hell out of here, despite the difficulty of the numbers.

Whether his heart is not in it, whether he's burnt out, whether he's just fed up, it doesn't matter. Perception is everything. And if he does come back, whether he just stands on the sidelines the whole time, or he's out on the field playing, there will be the perception with the fans and the media that he just doesn't really want to be here. Period.

For a player of his caliber, that is a condition that's contagious.
Well said, back at ya'.

I think you nailed it. You are not assuming things "between the lines" of his comments. You are analyzing his statements and coming to a logical conclusion.

Like you said, his heart does not appear to be in it right now. That can change and he comes back. Or, he can feel the same but fulfill his obligations under contract and just go through the motions.

I think it is reasonable to speculate that the FO has reached out to some teams to see what is possible. Unfortunately for everyone, AJ's current contract is not trade friendly without penalizing the team.

I think ultimately he either retires or comes back to the Texans, depending on what's in his heart and his willingness to start over from square 1 with a new head coach. Based on what we know about AJ in 11 years, I just don't get the feeling that he's going to half-ass it to get paid.
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Well said. Perfectly said.

I might end up being wrong, but I think the front office is doing everything it possibly can to get AJ the hell out of here, despite the difficulty of the numbers.
Shouldn't be difficult at all. We can cover the dead money... it's a net gain to trade him this season. It's now after June 1st which should make it even easier.

There is no more guaranteed money on his current deal. A sign & trade, or an agreement to redo his contract should be relatively easy to work out if he in fact wants to go to a contender.

The fact that he hasn't been traded, leads me to believe he truly hasn't asked to be traded.
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Hey, man, you are free to believe whatever you choose to believe, and the rest of us are free to agree or disagree.

That said, your thoughts appear to me to be the type fan that Tate was talking about last season.

No disrespect intended, but this is how your attitude comes across to many of us.



Well said, man. I do not understand the inability by some fans to cut AJ some slack after his 11 years of dedication to this franchise.



I agree. And I kinda' figure this was AJ's point. He's burned out. He spent a potential HoF career and his elite talent with a franchise that cannot find its way. I don't fault the guy for not being sure if he wants to keep doing it or not. He could retire today in decent health and a multimillionaire. I would not blame him if he did. Barry Sanders seems at peace with himself.
So let me get this straight. Im upset that our star wideout who gets paid a lot of money, therefore is un-tradeable is not attending OTAs to help our team improve and IM THE wishy washy one?

I don't know how logic works in your world, but in mine, that makes no sense. I care about the TEAM, while others here (you included) care more about an aging over paid wide out who is on the back side of his HOF career. He is my favorite player of all time (hence the damn screen name) and yet at the end of the day, he is choosing to let the team down by staying away. If this was J-Jo or Arian Foster I bet you would all sing a different tune, but because its AJ you all ignore the fact he is damaging this teams improvement.

Sometimes people think with their hearts and I fully think thats what you are doing. There is NOTHING in the world that excuses our star to miss time with the team because he is upset we're "rebuilding". Grab your cleats and lace up son.
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