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Old 06-01-2014   #101
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My point is a contract is a contract signed by both sides. If he was demanding a trade or new contract i could understand him not attending but he has demanded nothing. OTAs in all honesty are no big deal but if training camp comes and he dont show up that is a different animal.

My only problem is that our team is learning a new system, and one of our biggest offensive weapons is not there learning it with the rest of our guys.
He isn't demanding nothing. He is demanding that they trade him to a team that can contend for a post season appearance where he might be a able to make a playoff run with them. As lame as his trade demand is at this time, there is a demand that exists.

I understand your concern, but I don't think it's going to be a big deal at all. AJ has shown year after year that he can grasp new things and get better at his position. He does practically everything well. I fully expect him and O'Brien to get on the same page very shortly once AJ figures out that he isn't going anywhere and he's just going to have to suck it up for another season on an average team where he won't be in any post season run. Most likely any way.
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I'm usually on your side of the debate on this subject, but not on Mr. Andre Johnson.



He has fully earned his right to discover what he wants to do. The guy has been on a terrible franchise his entire career that was an expansion team. He never really complained ever going through the Carr years and then the Kubiak debacles that happened every year. The guy has been through two 2-14 teams that have to be rebuilt. At this point in his career, I'd say he has been loyal to a fault. At his age, he deserves to play for a team that has a chance to contend for a SB or go into the post season potentially. He doesn't deserve to be on another rebuilding team. Unfortunately, he was really stupid about his pursuit to find a new team by waiting all off season to start expressing how he wanted out. He should have demanded this right before the trades and off season moves were going to be allowed when teams had money to use and assets to trade and all sorts of ambitious tactics to improve their rosters. AJ waited until this was all done and most teams were high on the cap.



Aj just needs to come to grips with the reality of this. He will. It's just going to take him some time to pout it off in his mind and accept it. Once he does, he'll come back strong, fully committed, and he'll be just fine.



I understand your point, but AJ is not the guy to be driving this point home with. He is the threshold that you'd typically measure all potential NFL players up to be.

Agree with this. I was wondering why Andre wasn't pushing back against the Kubiak regime (which destroyed this franchise) during the middle of the season.
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He isn't demanding nothing. He is demanding that they trade him to a team that can contend for a post season appearance where he might be a able to make a playoff run with them. As lame as his trade demand is at this time, there is a demand that exists.

I understand your concern, but I don't think it's going to be a big deal at all. AJ has shown year after year that he can grasp new things and get better at his position. He does practically everything well. I fully expect him and O'Brien to get on the same page very shortly once AJ figures out that he isn't going anywhere and he's just going to have to suck it up for another season on an average team where he won't be in any post season run. Most likely any way.
He has not demanded a trade.
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He isn't demanding nothing. He is demanding that they trade him to a team that can contend for a post season appearance where he might be a able to make a playoff run with them. As lame as his trade demand is at this time, there is a demand that exists.
No there isn't. He has not asked for a trade. Not that has been reported at least.

He is just a whining baby right now. I could care less if he comes back or not at this point.

The real players are out there on the field ...
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No there isn't. He has not asked for a trade. Not that has been reported at least.

He is just a whining baby right now. I could care less if he comes back or not at this point.

The real players are out there on the field ...
Yes, he did say that he'd like to be part of a team that wasn't in a rebuilding mode. He made that clear when he said that he didn't want to be part of another rebuilding acquisition. What does he have to be quoted in headlines stating "AJ demands trade" for you guys to understand that is what he really wants which is to play for a contending team at this juncture of his career?

AJ is anything but a baby. Dude has been one of the hardest working receivers in the NFL for over 10 years and this is how you repay him as a fan which is to bash him and want him gone the minute that he expresses how he really feels and acts on it.
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Yes, he did say that he'd like to be part of a team that wasn't in a rebuilding mode. He made that clear when he said that he didn't want to be part of another rebuilding acquisition. What does he have to be quoted in headlines stating "AJ demands trade" for you guys to understand that is what he really wants which is to play for a contending team at this juncture of his career?

AJ is anything but a baby. Dude has been one of the hardest working receivers in the NFL for over 10 years and this is how you repay him as a fan which is to bash him and want him gone the minute that he expresses how he really feels and acts on it.
Everyone has wants, that dont mean we quit doing what we are doing now to pursue them, well actually i guess a lot of people do (Key to why divorce rate is so high). But he has not demanded a trade, if he really wants one he will talk to his agent about it and go from there. Although he most likely knows a trade with his contract #s would be nearly impossible.
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He isn't demanding nothing. He is demanding
So, I've got to read between lines that aren't even there to attempt to determine what you're saying here?

OK, first very poorly structured sentence: the use of the double negatives is code for the very first line of your second sentence which states: "He is demanding"

Secondly, all pure speculation on your part.

AJ's demanded nothing.
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I have yet to see any quote of AJ complaining/demanding anything. Just a whole lot of speculation from "sources" and posters.
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So, I've got to read between lines that aren't even there to attempt to determine what you're saying here?

OK, first very poorly structured sentence: the use of the double negatives is code for the very first line of your second sentence which states: "He is demanding"

Secondly, all pure speculation on your part.

AJ's demanded nothing.
What does he have to do stamp it across your forehead for you to understand that he wants to be on another team? Is this denial that some of you have that deep? If he was into this thing, he would be there. He has publicly made it clear he isn't into this thing, but has said nothing about wanting to retire. He doesn't want to play for a rebuilding team which likely means he wants to play for a team that has a real shot doing something big around post season time. He has made it clear that he wants to be somewhere else not only by his words, but by his actions. But hey, keep tipi toeing around the obvious all you want and use punctuation corrections to distract the point, but he wants out of here. Unfortunately for him, it's not going to happen.
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What does he have to do stamp it across your forehead for you to understand that he wants to be on another team? Is this denial that some of you have that deep? If he was into this thing, he would be there. He has publicly made it clear he isn't into this thing, but has said nothing about wanting to retire. He doesn't want to play for a rebuilding team which likely means he wants to play for a team that has a real shot doing something big around post season time. He has made it clear that he wants to be somewhere else not only by his words, but by his actions. But hey, keep tipi toeing around the obvious all you want and use punctuation corrections to distract the point, but he wants out of here. Unfortunately for him, it's not going to happen.
ACTUALLY what he said was that he is not SURE this is where he wants to be
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I guess voluntary has changed in the dictionary.
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And Im not whining,
Neither is AJ.

Yet, you said "but to whine publicly" about the guy.

Your perception is that he is whining.

My perception is that you are whining.

Some of y'all are getting too emotional about an entertainment medium. That's all this is to any of us, regardless of how many Texans logos you plaster on your stuff.

For AJ, this is real life. This is his profession. This is his job.

That some of y'all seem unable to be emotionally disconnected from another man's job decisions is just bizarre to me. Like you need to check yourself kind of bizarre.
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What does he have to do stamp it across your forehead for you to understand that he wants to be on another team? Is this denial that some of you have that deep? If he was into this thing, he would be there. He has publicly made it clear he isn't into this thing, but has said nothing about wanting to retire. He doesn't want to play for a rebuilding team which likely means he wants to play for a team that has a real shot doing something big around post season time. He has made it clear that he wants to be somewhere else not only by his words, but by his actions. But hey, keep tipi toeing around the obvious all you want and use punctuation corrections to distract the point, but he wants out of here. Unfortunately for him, it's not going to happen.
No, I don't need a forehead stamp. It's just that I'm not one to state my assumptions and/or speculations as FACT. That's exactly what you've done here, amongst other topics as well. Seems to be your MO.

I'm going to go with what the man ACTUALLY SAID which EllisUnit posted for you verbatim.
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Yes, he did say that he'd like to be part of a team that wasn't in a rebuilding mode. He made that clear when he said that he didn't want to be part of another rebuilding acquisition. What does he have to be quoted in headlines stating "AJ demands trade" for you guys to understand that is what he really wants which is to play for a contending team at this juncture of his career?

AJ is anything but a baby. Dude has been one of the hardest working receivers in the NFL for over 10 years and this is how you repay him as a fan which is to bash him and want him gone the minute that he expresses how he really feels and acts on it.
He has not asked for a trade as far as anyone knows ... including you. You arent in his head. You aren't in closed door meetings with Smith or BoB. You do not know for sure that he wants, or has asked for a trade. What we all know is that ... 1) He said he is tired of rebuilding, and ... 2) He isn't participating with the team.

I am fine with him not wanting to rebuild. I am fine with him wanting a trade, if that is what he wants. What I am not ok with is him just not showing up. Ask for a trade ... retire ... or get your ass on the field.
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Neither is AJ.

Yet, you said "but to whine publicly" about the guy.

Your perception is that he is whining.

My perception is that you are whining.

Some of y'all are getting too emotional about an entertainment medium. That's all this is to any of us, regardless of how many Texans logos you plaster on your stuff.

For AJ, this is real life. This is his profession. This is his job.

That some of y'all seem unable to be emotionally disconnected from another man's job decisions is just bizarre to me. Like you need to check yourself kind of bizarre.
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"... You go through a rebuilding process, some people say it's not rebuilding, some people say it's a quick fix. Everybody has their own opinion. But I've been through this more than once. When I make my decision, I'll make my decision."
Sorry dude, but thats whining. Boohoo, you made millions while being a teams first HOF and yet you're "unsure" if you want to stay here? Im grateful for the hard work you put in, but thats your job. You get paid to perform to your best and thats what you have done. Congratulations for not sucking?

This is becoming something more than it probably had to be. Im not trying to lay it on Dre, but I do think he should be at OTAs. Thats all.
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Sorry dude, but thats whining. Boohoo, you made millions while being a teams first HOF and yet you're "unsure" if you want to stay here? Im grateful for the hard work you put in, but thats your job. You get paid to perform to your best and thats what you have done. Congratulations for not sucking?

This is becoming something more than it probably had to be. Im not trying to lay it on Dre, but I do think he should be at OTAs. Thats all.
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Neither is AJ.

Yet, you said "but to whine publicly" about the guy.

Your perception is that he is whining.

My perception is that you are whining.

Some of y'all are getting too emotional about an entertainment medium. That's all this is to any of us, regardless of how many Texans logos you plaster on your stuff.

For AJ, this is real life. This is his profession. This is his job.

That some of y'all seem unable to be emotionally disconnected from another man's job decisions is just bizarre to me. Like you need to check yourself kind of bizarre.
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I might be guilty making assumptions about AJ myself. No, he has not 'demanded' a trade, or anything else. And yes, he has contract, and he should up to that contract.

That said, all of us know by now that AJ doesn't mouth off half-cocked to the press. But he's been around this league long enough to know that if he does talk publicly, people will listen.

Though, he has not actually come right out and said it, you'd have to have the perception of a complete moron to not understand that he no longer has his heart in it. Whether they can work out a trade for him or not, all I know is, that based upon his statements.....

...... is that if I see him on the field this season in a Texans uniform, he'll be just going thru the motions. Now, some might think that will be good enough, but I don't.
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