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Old 03-19-2014   #541
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You can try to spin it any way you want, but Warner's words are right there for anyone who is not biased to hear. And I am certain you do not know what O'Brien is thinking or going to do.



Not even going to bother to respond to the "Ugliest Girl Contest" nonsense.
Then Kurt Warner just confirmed what I have been saying about Matt Schaub all this time, if he is 15-20th best QB, then he is a mediocre QB in the NFL, end of story...

If Matt Schaub was anything "special" he would be top 10, top 5 but he isn't. He has had a mediocre career on a mediocre team with a mediocre coach for the last 8 years. When you are comparing him to the other available veteran FA QBs, of course Matt Schuab looks better. That isn't to say Matt schaub is that much better, it is the other FA QB suck that much more...

Sorry, them just facts....

you don't have to respond, he is what he is. Water always finds its level and right now Matt Schaub is drowning in his own mediocrity....

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Just curious if you have the number for Case?
I would think the % would be higher for Case. Which it should be for any rookie QB.
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I would think the % would be higher for Case. Which it should be for any rookie QB.
Case was not a rookie but Geno Smith and Mike Glennon were.
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Case was not a rookie but Geno Smith and Mike Glennon were.
Technically you are correct.

Playing time wise not so much.
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Technically you are correct.

Playing time wise not so much.
My main point was Case was not omitted from the list for being a rookie, even if he had been one, because they included rookies in the listing.
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My main point was Case was not omitted from the list for being a rookie, even if he had been one, because they included rookies in the listing.
Gotcha

I didn't check out the data.
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Warner was comparing the veterans that are out there now and available to Matt Schaub. of course Matt Schaub is the better QB among the veterans available. Doesn't mean Matt Schaub is the best fit for THIS team and he is not...

When you are the prettiest girl (Schaub) in the Ugliest Girl Contest....at the end of the day, you are still ugly...
The underlined is not our call. It belongs to one Bill O'Brien. As yet, he hasn't tipped his hand one way or the other. Although, I suspect if we can turn Schaub into draft pick or two we'll most likely do that. If we cannot get some sort of return on the Schaub investment, does it really make sense to let Schaub walk, take the cap hit for no return, then, on top of the cap hit, have to pay ANOTHER vet QB?

When I listen to O'Brien explain his offensive philosophy in these videos, I don't see any thing Schaub can't do. He has the experience to make the required reads. There's no fancy footwork required, no rollouts as required in Kubiak's offense. Schaub can run the pieces of O'Brien's offense shown in those vids.

Plus, we don't have to keep him for the whole season. Hell, after we let him get a few quality reps during training camp and in a preseason game or two - assuming he doesn't completely stink it up - his stock might rise. Instead of settling for a 7th we might get a 5th/conditional 4th... maybe better.

Financially/cap-wise, is it any more advantageous to cut him now vs in August? If it is, someone explain how that works. If we let him show there's something left worth trading for maybe we get something via trade. If he sucks as much as some who want him gone - like yesterday - believe, well we weren't getting a damned thing for him anyway so no harm/no foul.

What have I missed?

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The above - keeping Schaub thru OTAs/Training Camp and maybe a P/S game is Plan "B". Plan "A" is if there's a trade to be made now, we pull the trigger. Just so we're clear.
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The underlined is not our call. It belongs to one Bill O'Brien. As yet, he hasn't tipped his hand one way or the other. Although, I suspect if we can turn Schaub into draft pick or two we'll most likely do that. If we cannot get some sort of return on the Schaub investment, does it really make sense to let Schaub walk, take the cap hit for no return, then, on top of the cap hit, have to pay ANOTHER vet QB?
I can't think of a better replacement for Schaub. The ones I liked (though they might not have been "better," but made sense) are gone.... Cassell, Mallet... Looks like we're stuck with Schaub.

Just gotta hope they get us a QB with a real probability of succeeding in the NFL.

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When I listen to O'Brien explain his offensive philosophy in these videos, I don't see any thing Schaub can't do. He has the experience to make the required reads. There's no fancy footwork required, no rollouts as required in Kubiak's offense. Schaub can run the pieces of O'Brien's offense shown in those vids.
An up tempo, "pass happy" attack fits what Matt Schaub is good at better than the, "We're going to run it whether we're good at it or not." approach. & if OB keeps pushing the score instead of relying on the punter & defense to win games for us.. who knows 8 games may not be so hard.
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If we cannot get some sort of return on the Schaub investment, does it really make sense to let Schaub walk, take the cap hit for no return, then, on top of the cap hit, have to pay ANOTHER vet QB?
Putting aside fan reaction, IF they cannot get anything in trade AND they insist on a vet (something over 16 starts) then getting rid of Schaub makes no sense. They will actually lose cap room between dead money and vet QB.
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Putting aside fan reaction, IF they cannot get anything in trade AND they insist on a vet (something over 16 starts) then getting rid of Schaub makes no sense. They will actually lose cap room between dead money and vet QB.
This is what I've been thinking. Sure, we'll save money by cutting him, but we'll also end up turning around and spending most of that on signing a vet QB to mentor our likely very young QB.

Yeah, he'll be crazy overpaid for what he'll give to the team, but for the ones calling for him to be cut regardless are just bitter about what transpired last year and can't separate resentment towards Schaub and what's best for the team.
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This is what I've been thinking. Sure, we'll save money by cutting him, but we'll also end up turning around and spending most of that on signing a vet QB to mentor our likely very young QB.

Yeah, he'll be crazy overpaid for what he'll give to the team, but for the ones calling for him to be cut regardless are just bitter about what transpired last year and can't separate resentment towards Schaub and what's best for the team.
Excellent post, and I agree fully that those who resent Schaub do not want to hear reasonable arguments regarding keeping him, because they have invested so much in saying he is finished, washed up, done as a Texans, etc., etc. If the Texan decide to stick with Schaub for whatever reason, it makes the Schaub haters look bad, who will then start in with all the "this FO sucks", "OB sucks", all because they came to a different conclusion regarding Schaub.
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I'm beginning to think the Texans' hands are more or less tied, and Schaub will be on the 2014 roster unless a trade is made. I really don't see a trade happening, TBH.
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This is what I've been thinking. Sure, we'll save money by cutting him, but we'll also end up turning around and spending most of that on signing a vet QB to mentor our likely very young QB.

Yeah, he'll be crazy overpaid for what he'll give to the team, but for the ones calling for him to be cut regardless are just bitter about what transpired last year and can't separate resentment towards Schaub and what's best for the team.
No, it isn't just last year, it is the last 8 years. Last year was the straw that paralyzed that damn camel. Matt Schaub has done nothing but win 1 playoff game against a very mediocre Bengals team. Matt Schaub has the exact same playoff wins than TJ Yates, think about that a bit. How is that best for team, playing a mediocre QB that you know isn't going to beat Manning, Flacco and Brady in the playoffs...

Sorry but facts are facts, if you are a starting QB and you only have one playoff win in 8 years, you are not a good QB. Doesn't matter what you did in the regular season. Peyton Manning isn't remember for what he did int he regular season, he is remembered for being 1-2 in SB wins. Hell Brady went undefeated in the regular season and broke records, but everybody only remembers the Patriots losing to the Giants in the SB. That is what counts.

Now you want to keep him on as a backup, fine but he would have to take a huge paycut or he is gonna be the highest payed backup in the NFL...

It has been the same song and dance year in and year out and enough is enough with the mediocrity...
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Putting aside fan reaction, IF they cannot get anything in trade AND they insist on a vet (something over 16 starts) then getting rid of Schaub makes no sense. They will actually lose cap room between dead money and vet QB.
yep. I certainly hope fan reaction has absolutely no bearing on the decision. It should be purely tactical on what is best for the team. Not just this season, but looking several seasons ahead. Using the existing vet QB - provided he's not completely broken, of course - while developing a rookie QB behind him makes sense when you consider the cap implications of cutting Schaub only to bring in some other veteran QB.

What they will most likely need from Schaub is picking up blitzes and quick release passes. I doubt we see many bootlegs in O'Brien's offense. If the Pats are the blueprint, then we should be seeing 3-to-5 step drops and quick releases to negate pressure.
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Yeah, he'll be crazy overpaid for what he'll give to the team, but for the ones calling for him to be cut regardless are just bitter about what transpired last year and can't separate resentment towards Schaub and what's best for the team.
I support O'Brien's decision on Schaub, whatever it is. It's his job to make this team better and if he really thinks Schaub is part of the solution, then OK.

But my opinion on whether to or not to keep Schaub is strictly from what I've seen with my own 2 eyes. Over the past year and a half, he has sucked. He has brought this team down. Schaub has a QB rating of 73 over his last 16 starts. That's not top 15. Or even top 20. That's Blaine Gabbert territory. That's the area code of Christian Ponder. Guys who get replaced. Which is what I think should happen to Matt Schaub. Be replaced. And I'm pretty darn sure that after O'Brien reviews the film, he will feel the same way.
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No, it isn't just last year, it is the last 8 years. Last year was the straw that paralyzed that damn camel. Matt Schaub has done nothing but win 1 playoff game against a very mediocre Bengals team. Matt Schaub has the exact same playoff wins than TJ Yates, think about that a bit. How is that best for team, playing a mediocre QB that you know isn't going to beat Manning, Flacco and Brady in the playoffs...

Sorry but facts are facts, if you are a starting QB and you only have one playoff win in 8 years, you are not a good QB. Doesn't matter what you did in the regular season. Peyton Manning isn't remember for what he did int he regular season, he is remembered for being 1-2 in SB wins. Hell Brady went undefeated in the regular season and broke records, but everybody only remembers the Patriots losing to the Giants in the SB. That is what counts.

Now you want to keep him on as a backup, fine but he would have to take a huge paycut or he is gonna be the highest payed backup in the NFL...

It has been the same song and dance year in and year out and enough is enough with the mediocrity...

Saying Matt hasnt done anything for 8 years or comparing his playoff wins to Yates is the dumbest hateboner mindset and foolish. Without Matt, Yates would have zero playoff wins
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