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Old 03-08-2014   #361
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so what team will Matt start with next year

I can run down the bottom feeder teams but what upper echelon team u think would want him to be backup /mentor ..????

wouldn't It be weird seeing Matt in like a Bengals or seahawks uni
With the Vikings re-signing Cassel when all the rumor were he opted out of his contract to join O'Brien here in Houston, it's looking more and more like the Texans plan on Keeping Schaub around for one more season.

I know... crazy right? Be that as it may, signs are pointing in that direction. The longer it goes without Schaub being cut, the more likely it is he remains a Texans for at least one more season.

If he does get the axe, I could see him starting for the Titans, the Raiders, and the Jets just to name a few.
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With the Vikings re-signing Cassel when all the rumor was he opted out of his contract to join O'Brien here in Houston, it's looking more and more like the Texans plan on Keeping Schaub around for one more season.

I know... crazy right? Be that as it may, sings are pointing in that direction. The longer it goes without Schaub being cut, the more likely it is he remains a Texans for at least one more season.

If he does get the axe, I could see him starting for the Titans, the Raiders, and the Jets just to name a few.
If the Texans don't want to go deeper into cap hell next year, they'll drop their "load" into this year. If this is going to be their strategy, I believe they will not show their hand as far letting other teams know as to what they may do with their draft picks/QB question until AFTER the Draft. This way other teams will be left guessing re. our Draft intentions....and yet allow Schaub plenty of time to latch onto a new team and allow him to have the benefit of a full preseason with that new team.
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If the Texans don't want to go deeper into cap hell next year, they'll drop their "load" into this year. If this is going to be their strategy, I believe they will not show their hand as far letting other teams know as to what they may do with their draft picks/QB question until AFTER the Draft. This way other teams will be left guessing re. our Draft intentions....and yet allow Schaub plenty of time to latch onto a new team and allow him to have the benefit of a full preseason with that new team.
That makes sense, and the only date that matters then is June 1st right?

So then it is your belief that Schaub will be cut May 10th, or will they wait all the way up until the deadline, and if they wait until the deadline, what advantage does that provide them with?

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That makes sense, and the only date that matters then is June 1st right?

So then it is your belief that Schaub will be cut May 10th, or will they wait all the way up until the deadline, and if they wait until the deadline, what advantage does that provide them with?

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Actually what I said is that if Schaub were to be cut, it would not happen prior to the Draft.......and not too deep into 2014 preseason prep time, as a courtesy and recognition of significant past Texans contributions/services.
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Actually what I said is that if Schaub were to be cut, it would not happen prior to the Draft.......and not too deep into 2014 preseason prep time, as a courtesy and recognition of significant past Texans contributions/services.
What I took away from your comments...

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...is that holding onto Schaub right now is all draft strategy, so once the draft has ended, what possible advantage would the Texans gain by holding onto Schaub after May 10th? They will have either picked up a FA QB and/or drafted a rookie QB so there is no more question as to what the Texans are going to do since they would have already done it.

The Texans did not have any "courtesy and recognition of significant past Texans contributions/services" when dealing with Kubiak. Why would they change that attitude for Schaub?
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Actually what I said is that if Schaub were to be cut, it would not happen prior to the Draft.......and not too deep into 2014 preseason prep time, as a courtesy and recognition of significant past Texans contributions/services.
Reading comprehension seems to be a lost art around here.
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Reading comprehension seems to be a lost art around here.
Nothing wrong with my comprehension, What he said first what not what he said 2nd time around.

Firs time it's just draft strategy to keep other teams guessing, and that Schaub would be given "plenty of time to latch onto a new team and allow him to have the benefit of a full preseason with that new team.

So after asking about May 10th he then said "...if Schaub were to be cut, it would not happen prior to the Draft.......and not too deep into 2014 preseason prep time..."

That's not comprehension problems, that called back tracking. No offense to CND, and I am not trying to be hostile, or sarcastic. I am asking to understand his opinion, but you just had to jump in and start with the insults again. *smh* You cannot say one thing, and then something else in the next post. It's there in back and white.

I will ask again. What benefit, or advantage do the Texans gain by holding onto Schaub after May 10th?
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I know... crazy right? Be that as it may, signs are pointing in that direction. The longer it goes without Schaub being cut, the more likely it is he remains a Texans for at least one more season.

If he does get the axe, I could see him starting for the Titans, the Raiders, and the Jets just to name a few.
There's no benefit for us to cut Schaub 'til June 1st. If we let him go before then, it will be to allow him to get a chance at a starting job, which will all be gone by June 1.

Jake Locker doesn't look as lost as Gabbert. They also have Ryan Fitzpatrick. Schaub won't be going there as there's no chance he'll be starting.

Oakland won't be looking for a starter either. I'm not particularly fond of either of their QBs, but I don't believe they are ready to give up on both of them.

The Jets just drafted Geno Smith, supposedly the best QB from the 2013 draft. They won't be in the market for a veteran starter to start.

Cleveland might take a QB. I think it would be a bad decision but that's also the reason I think they will. They're prone to making boneheaded decisions. They've got a plethora of QBs there. They shouldn't be looking for a starter & shouldn't be looking for the next best thing.

Unfortunately I don't think there are going to be any teams looking for a new starter. Maybe that will help convince Schaub into taking a substantial pay cut.
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Nothing wrong with my comprehension, What he said first what not what he said 2nd time around.

Firs time it's just draft strategy to keep other teams guessing, and that Schaub would be given "plenty of time to latch onto a new team and allow him to have the benefit of a full preseason with that new team.

So after asking about May 10th he then said "...if Schaub were to be cut, it would not happen prior to the Draft.......and not too deep into 2014 preseason prep time..."

That's not comprehension problems, that called back tracking. No offense to CND, and I am not trying to be hostile, or sarcastic. I am asking to understand his opinion, but you just had to jump in and start with the insults again. *smh* You cannot say one thing, and then something else in the next post. It's there in back and white.

I will ask again. What benefit, or advantage do the Texans gain by holding onto Schaub after May 10th?
There was no backtracking. From the beginning, I was simply correlating Schaub's possible release as relates to the Draft........not to exactly how long after the Draft this might occur if it were to occur. In past years, there has been much discussion about players, not coaches, being extended the courtesy of still allowing them time to hook up to other teams.

Also, no offense on my part, but I believe you are alloting an inordinate amount of time and effort in over-dissecting and tearing apart simple concepts in attempt to defend a single player.
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Unfortunately I don't think there are going to be any teams looking for a new starter. Maybe that will help convince Schaub into taking a substantial pay cut.
Schaub has all the leverage here. he gets paid all that money either way.
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What I took away from your comments...



...is that holding onto Schaub right now is all draft strategy, so once the draft has ended, what possible advantage would the Texans gain by holding onto Schaub after May 10th? They will have either picked up a FA QB and/or drafted a rookie QB so there is no more question as to what the Texans are going to do since they would have already done it.

The Texans did not have any "courtesy and recognition of significant past Texans contributions/services" when dealing with Kubiak. Why would they change that attitude for Schaub?
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Not sure where you are getting this stipend business from.

To answer the above:

Scheduled cap hits: 2014 - $14.125 mil (including a 2014 scheduled bonus of 625k), 2015 - $17 mil

Dead money: $10.5 mil

Distribution of dead money:

Regular cut, $10.5 mil in 2014.
June 1st cut, $3.5 mil in 2014 and $7 mil in 2015.

Cap savings:

Regular cut - $3.625 in 2014, $17 mil in 2015...and likewise 100% of scheduled cap hit for remainder of contract
June 1st cut - $10.625 in 2014, $10 mil in 2015...100% of scheduled cap hit for remainder of contract.
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Unfortunately I don't think there are going to be any teams looking for a new starter.
Not that this does or should bother you but you are in a distinct minority on that opinion. Be a pretty damn rare offseason too.
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There was no backtracking. From the beginning, I was simply correlating Schaub's possible release as relates to the Draft........not to exactly how long after the Draft this might occur if it were to occur. In past years, there has been much discussion about players, not coaches, being extended the courtesy of still allowing them time to hook up to other teams.

Also, no offense on my part, but I believe you are alloting an inordinate amount of time and effort in over-dissecting and tearing apart simple concepts in attempt to defend a single player.
I respect your opinion, but in my eyes you are being evasive. I asked a simple question, but you seem to be unwilling to answer. If Schaub is dead weight, washed up, has an injury that will not allow him to play at a high level, why keep him passed the draft?

Look I am half way around the world working in a foreign country. I enjoy talking football with other Americans. Even if we have differing opinions. Imagine listening to talk about Soccer, Rugby, or Cricket all the time.

I am not forcing anyone to read or post in this thread. You and they do it of your own free will. This is a discussion board. I want to discuss this topic. No big deal.

Like it or not, this question has not been answered, and it is important for the Texans. It's like some of you are asking me to stop commenting when you could just stop reading or commenting yourself, but everyone wants to get in the last word.

Ooops... Looks like we need to add our very own Duane Brown to the "Sucks" list.

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Reading comprehension seems to be a lost art around here.
I'm glad to know the word IF means what I thought it means.

Tell me what's the definition of the word evasive means. IF it's what I think it means then I dot think C-N-D is the one being evasive in this thread.

Far be it for me to question the decision makers that lead to the inglorious 2-14 2013 season.
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Ooops... Looks like we need to add our very own Duane Brown to the "Sucks" list.

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Duane said almost word for word the same thing about Schaub and Wade Smith.
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Duane said almost word for word the same thing about Schaub and Wade Smith.
So you are saying it is just lip service?
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Did you just start watching professional sports?
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I respect your opinion, but in my eyes you are being evasive. I asked a simple question, but you seem to be unwilling to answer. If Schaub is dead weight, washed up, has an injury that will not allow him to play at a high level, why keep him passed the draft?

Look I am half way around the world working in a foreign country. I enjoy talking football with other Americans. Even if we have differing opinions. Imagine listening to talk about Soccer, Rugby, or Cricket all the time.

I am not forcing anyone to read or post in this thread. You and they do it of your own free will. This is a discussion board. I want to discuss this topic. No big deal.

Like it or not, this question has not been answered, and it is important for the Texans. It's like some of you are asking me to stop commenting when you could just stop reading or commenting yourself, but everyone wants to get in the last word.

Ooops... Looks like we need to add our very own Duane Brown to the "Sucks" list.

http://bit.ly/1iiie7o
Evasive? I don't believe I've been evasive in any way. The question has evolved to something that does not resemble my original response........the relationship to potential release in relationship to the Draft. As far as beyond that, what lingers in the minds coaches/teams leaves me, and sometimes half the sports world scratching their heads. I'm surprised I've still got a full head of hair after following the NFL for so many years.

I will respectfully heed your advice of not furthering this discussion, since I have nothing further to offer.
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So you are saying it is just lip service?
I think Duane likes both of the personally, knows both are toast and is running a party line. I don't think he would be upset if either is retained but it wasn't some glowing endorsement either.
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Default Re: "Matt Schaub gives Texans best chance to win in 2014" -Marshall Faulk

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Did you just start watching professional sports?
Yea sure, that's it. Just another veiled insult and on par for your personality. Why does it keep circling back around to being about me with you? Are you stalking me or what?

I just find it humorous that if anyone disagrees with you guys about Schaub they are all just trying to get attention, or do not know what they are talking about, or had too many concussions, or are just giving lip service. In your mind it is not possible Duane Brown really thinks or believes that. Lip service or sports babble is easily identifiable. I do not think that is what you just saw with Duane Brown.

I follow the guy on Twitter for years now, and he is about a straight shooter as there is.
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