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Old 02-09-2014   #201
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This post is such total BS. I couldn't even read all of it before responding. All I can say is. 1. YOU MUST HAVE ME CONFUSED WITH OTHER POSTERS. 2. Your blind loyalty to Schaub knows no bounds. 3. If you've seen Schaub's play for the last yr and a half, can you atleast admit his play has fallen off and if so,have you considered why this may have happened?
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All of these complex speculative explanations as to why Schaub had a bad year, or why you think he is finished as a player are all just theater to entertain yourselves and feel like you have some kind of 3rd eye and can see deeper into the game of football and it's players than other people can.
Particularly this part. As if anyone needs complex speculation in order to determine that Schaub had a poor year and a half. This is a strange thought process.
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This post is such total BS. I couldn't even read all of it before responding. All I can say is. 1. YOU MUST HAVE ME CONFUSED WITH OTHER POSTERS. 2. Your blind loyalty to Schaub knows no bounds. 3. If you've seen Schaub's play for the last yr and a half, can you atleast admit his play has fallen off and if so,have you considered why this may have happened?
Admitting that you did not read the entire post before responding says a lot. Yes I have seen the play, and yes I agree his play has fallen off, but not because he is a washed up has been who will never play another down in the NFL, but rather for many reasons, including but not limited to Line play. Statistics show Schaub was the most pressured QB in the league up until he got the hook. Can you at least admit that?

The Schaub's perceived decline happens to coincide with the exit of Brisiel and Winston which some of you will say were cap casualties, but the stellar play of the defense covered that up. When the defense fell off, the line play was more of a problem because the Texans were now not able to hold a lead. Can you at least acknowledge that?

The loss of both starting TE's (Schaub favorite targets aside from AJ) forced Kubiak to distribute those passes elsewhere, which lead to predictable plays, or routes in certain down and distance situations that DB 's, and LB's were now sitting on, can you at least admit that?

Stop piling on as if it was all Schaub's fault the season went the way it did, because you could have any elite QB back there last season, and the outcome would have most likely been the same with all of the terrible line play, key injuries, and lack of depth. Can you at least admit that?

According to you guys, everything is MS fault, and nothing that has ever been positive was because of him. It was always in spite of him in your eyes. That kind of bias shows you fail to realize that it is a team sport, and the Texans as a team failed last year. It was not like the rest of the team was playing lights out and Schaub just kept screwing it all up. Can you at least admit that?
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Particularly this part. As if anyone needs complex speculation in order to determine that Schaub had a poor year and a half. This is a strange thought process.
You miss the point. The point is we are accepting complicated theories to explain Schaub's play falling off due to a degenerative injury that nobody else is talking about, we have board members posting diagrams of team photos suggesting Schaub's got Scoliosis or other medical problems that have always been there, or only recently started to cause poor play, even though Schaub has been a Pro Bowler and led the league in passing one season. Did it ever occur to anyone that he just stands that way when he is photographed? As the poster said, "Perhaps I am projecting my afflictions on Schaub" which I think is probably true.

The point is the simplest answer us usually the right one. The simple answer is people have bad seasons. It happens to everyone. The pick 6's just amplify the perception that something is wrong with Schaub rather than a number of things are wrong with the Texans as a team. It does not mean Schaub has hit the wall, and is finished, no matter how badly you want that to be true.

Most of you agree the play calling was predictable, yet you place the blame for the Pick 6's squarely on Schaub's shoulders, not the coach for calling that play which was obviously a scouted tendency of Kubiak's.

So if Schaub does the right thing and sees the play is dead and falls down losing as few yards as possible you boo him. If Keenum comes in and runs around and loses 20 yards on a sack on the same play, you make excuses and say "At least he was trying to extend the play".
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I hate that Schaub got hurt. I actually thought he was good enough to win a SB in Houston. That ship has sailed. Wonder what it would take for Faulk/Brooks to think Schaub wasn't the best option for the Texans? 16 pick 6's?
Just saying that Schaub is the quickest way, or even our best bet, does not mean we shouldn't draft a QB in the first or second round. To me, it's just like wanting to bring a veteran in & drafting a 1st round QB anyway.... Schaub just happens to already be here.

There's not a lot out there in FA as far as QBs go & Schaub may actually be the best of the bunch... stat, wins, I think he is. The better the QB my first rounder has to beat out for the job, the better for us.

Now, when one of these fools say he's worth a $14M cap hit... then I'll have a problem.
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Admitting that you did not read the entire post before responding says a lot. Yes I have seen the play, and yes I agree his play has fallen off, but not because he is a washed up has been who will never play another down in the NFL, but rather for many reasons, including but not limited to Line play. Statistics show Schaub was the most pressured QB in the league up until he got the hook. Can you at least admit that?

The Schaub's perceived decline happens to coincide with the exit of Brisiel and Winston which some of you will say were cap casualties, but the stellar play of the defense covered that up. When the defense fell off, the line play was more of a problem because the Texans were now not able to hold a lead. Can you at least acknowledge that?

The loss of both starting TE's (Schaub favorite targets aside from AJ) forced Kubiak to distribute those passes elsewhere, which lead to predictable plays, or routes in certain down and distance situations that DB 's, and LB's were now sitting on, can you at least admit that?

Stop piling on as if it was all Schaub's fault the season went the way it did, because you could have any elite QB back there last season, and the outcome would have most likely been the same with all of the terrible line play, key injuries, and lack of depth. Can you at least admit that?

According to you guys, everything is MS fault, and nothing that has ever been positive was because of him. It was always in spite of him in your eyes. That kind of bias shows you fail to realize that it is a team sport, and the Texans as a team failed last year. It was not like the rest of the team was playing lights out and Schaub just kept screwing it all up. Can you at least admit that?
Wrong, this is not all Schaub's fault. He's has a degenerative foot injury that gets worse as the season goes on. It costs him 1. Mobility, which he lacked to begin with. 2. His greatest quality, accuracy.

You cant admit what C-N-D predicted would happened, actually happened. The ability to admit that you are wrong is a trait some people can never come to grips with. Are you that guy?

BTW, I'm not a Keenum fan. I think he's a good backup QB. Not a 16 game starter. Certainly not a franchise QB. So you must have me mixed up with somebody else. Did I want to see Keenum play instead of Schaub last yr? Yes, it was time to move on from Schaub and find out if Keenum was the future. Not understanding this and following BoB's directions is a big reason Gary got fired when he did. IMHO

Tell me how did Brady do without Gronk/Hernandez/Welker and a beat up OL last yr?
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So you would not look up the link for that post where Doc predicts Ed Reeds injury to be career ending, but you will look up how many times the word Schaub is mentioned in my posts? Bwahahahahahaha!
I could easily. As could you. Which is why I won't.

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Correct me if I am wrong, hell it happens twice a year so I am due, wasn't this EXACT same topic discussed when Kubiak came in, EVERYBODY said that he could fix Carr and that all the Texans needed was a better defense....
I was absolutely guilty of that. That was a year wasted.

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You miss the point. The point is we are accepting complicated theories to explain Schaub's play falling off due to a degenerative injury that nobody else is talking about...
And by "nobody" you mean Marshall Faulk and Bucky Brooks? The people who follow the team more closely don't count.

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And by "nobody" you mean Marshall Faulk and Bucky Brooks? The people who follow the team more closely don't count.
Has anyone mentioned Schaub's injury outside of Texanstalk.com?

I listen to 610 & 790 quite a bit & have never heard it come up... at all.
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Has anyone mentioned Schaub's injury outside of Texanstalk.com?

I listen to 610 & 790 quite a bit & have never heard it come up... at all.
I don't get get much chance to listen to the radio, but 610 usually sucks up to the Texans. I may have heard Zierlein discuss the injury as it relates to Schaubs regression. But does that justify the position that Schaub is not the same QB post injury? Doesn't seem to require a lot of experienced analysis to come to that conclusion.
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The thing about Schaub's ankle injury to me is that, yes, in 2012 it seemed to show up and hinder his play late in the season, as would seem to be expected. However, in 2013 Schaub began to have severe performance problems (pick-6s) very early in the season for someone whose problems are supposed to be caused by an ankle that is expected to give him problems starting around week 12 and beyond. It doesn't seem to me that it was his ankle causing the problems in 2013. Seems more like he just repeatedly made bad choices to try and force throws on 3rd down late in games.
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The thing about Schaub's ankle injury to me is that, yes, in 2012 it seemed to show up and hinder his play late in the season, as would seem to be expected. However, in 2013 Schaub began to have severe performance problems (pick-6s) very early in the season for someone whose problems are supposed to be caused by an ankle that is expected to give him problems starting around week 12 and beyond. It doesn't seem to me that it was his ankle causing the problems in 2013. Seems more like he just repeatedly made bad choices to try and force throws on 3rd down late in games.
It was a lis franc foot injury. The prognosis was essentially as follows, with the upward slopes being the offseasons and downward, during the season so progressive loss during AND from season to season.



The bad decision making may have been due to no longer having confidence in all his throws due to inability to step into throws consistently and therefore going to less desirable options.
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Yeah, the foot, not the ankle.

So, there's no guarantee that it heals completely in the offseason. That's what I didn't realize.
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I don't get get much chance to listen to the radio, but 610 usually sucks up to the Texans. I may have heard Zierlein discuss the injury as it relates to Schaubs regression. But does that justify the position that Schaub is not the same QB post injury? Doesn't seem to require a lot of experienced analysis to come to that conclusion.
I'm not questioning that. You suggested that "people" were talking about it.

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You miss the point. The point is we are accepting complicated theories to explain Schaub's play falling off due to a degenerative injury that nobody else is talking about...
And by "nobody" you mean Marshall Faulk and Bucky Brooks? The people who follow the team more closely don't count.
"Officially" his foot is not an issue.

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The thing about Schaub's ankle injury to me is that, yes, in 2012 it seemed to show up and hinder his play late in the season, as would seem to be expected. However, in 2013 Schaub began to have severe performance problems (pick-6s) very early in the season for someone whose problems are supposed to be caused by an ankle that is expected to give him problems starting around week 12 and beyond. It doesn't seem to me that it was his ankle causing the problems in 2013. Seems more like he just repeatedly made bad choices to try and force throws on 3rd down late in games.
To me it falls in-line with Schaub trying to do "too much" with all the talk from McNair, Kubiak, & even Smith in the offseason, I thought it was pretty clear they blamed Schaub's play for our December breakdown, & post season failure.

So you have Schaub trying to be a play-maker, instead of taking what the defense gives him. That pick six in the Seattle game, had nothing to do with a bum foot, it was a poor decision to try to give OD a chance to make a play.

Then, if I were one of the conspiracists, I would remind you that he didn't partcipate in any off-season activities prior to the 2012 season. In 2013, he did... so instead of starting the clock in August/September, you should start in April/May.
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So you have Schaub trying to be a play-maker, instead of taking what the defense gives him. That pick six in the Seattle game, had nothing to do with a bum foot, it was a poor decision to try to give OD a chance to make a play.
Nobody is blaming ALL Schaub's INTs or problems on his foot. We're blaming the increased INT rate, less attempts downfield, lowered accuracy, etc. on his foot. And it is the opposite of trying to do too much to be a playmaker. It is very stark that it is two different QBs:

Pre-injury (2011): 5.1% TDs, 2.1% Ints, 8.5 ypa, 11% of att. 21+ yds in air.
Post-injury: 3.5% TDs, 2.9% Ints, 7.0 ypa, 6.7% of att. 21+ yds in air.
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I don't get get much chance to listen to the radio, but 610 usually sucks up to the Texans. I may have heard Zierlein discuss the injury as it relates to Schaubs regression. But does that justify the position that Schaub is not the same QB post injury? Doesn't seem to require a lot of experienced analysis to come to that conclusion.
You always have an excuse, and never admit that it is odd that it appears only people on this board are discussing the foot injury as a degenerative problem that is causing his performance to fall off. If it does not require experienced analysis, then why are you guys the only ones coming to that conclusion?

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Just saying that Schaub is the quickest way, or even our best bet, does not mean we shouldn't draft a QB in the first or second round. To me, it's just like wanting to bring a veteran in & drafting a 1st round QB anyway.... Schaub just happens to already be here.

There's not a lot out there in FA as far as QBs go & Schaub may actually be the best of the bunch... stat, wins, I think he is. The better the QB my first rounder has to beat out for the job, the better for us.

Now, when one of these fools say he's worth a $14M cap hit... then I'll have a problem.
Excellent post. It is the essence of what Faulk and Brooks are trying to say. The problem comes in when the Anti Schaub (Hey there's another one for you to count Lucky. It's good to have a hobby) crowd ignore those things and start in with the foot injury stuff, etc, etc.

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Wrong, this is not all Schaub's fault. He's has a degenerative foot injury that gets worse as the season goes on. It costs him 1. Mobility, which he lacked to begin with. 2. His greatest quality, accuracy.

You cant admit what C-N-D predicted would happened, actually happened. The ability to admit that you are wrong is a trait some people can never come to grips with. Are you that guy?

BTW, I'm not a Keenum fan. I think he's a good backup QB. Not a 16 game starter. Certainly not a franchise QB. So you must have me mixed up with somebody else. Did I want to see Keenum play instead of Schaub last yr? Yes, it was time to move on from Schaub and find out if Keenum was the future. Not understanding this and following BoB's directions is a big reason Gary got fired when he did. IMHO

Tell me how did Brady do without Gronk/Hernandez/Welker and a beat up OL last yr?
I find it amusing that you would use one of the best QB's of all time to try to compare to Schaub, (One more for you Lucky) but I will play along.

Tom Brady 2013
  • Worst completion % since 2003 (60.5%)
  • Fewest TD's since 2006 (25)
  • Fewest completions since 2010 (380)
  • Fewest yards average since 2006 (6.9)
  • Most sacks since 2001 (40!)
  • Most sack yardage EVER! (256)
  • Most fumbles since 2006 (9)
  • Most fumbles lost since 2007 (3)

So how would you say Brady did without Gronk/Hernandez/Welker and a beat up OL last yr?

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I could easily. As could you. Which is why I won't.


I was absolutely guilty of that. That was a year wasted.


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And by "nobody" you mean Marshall Faulk and Bucky Brooks? The people who follow the team more closely don't count.

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Link? You should learn to use the Interweb's search function. See your answer in bold.

No, by nobody I mean nobody. Especially nobody with the credentials to do so besides message board cowboys who think because they watch a lot of Texans football, they have more insight than someone who actually played and work for the NFL.

I want to know how you have determined how much Texans football Faulk and Brooks watch? I watch almost every game of the season, and not just Texans games. Does that mean I am a Ravens, Cardinals, or Panthers expert? No. I know you might have a hard time understanding what I am about to say, but here goes anyway. The Majority opinion is not always right.

What does posting how many of my posts contain the word Schaub have to do with this thread and the topic at hand? Is that your feeble attempt to discredit me since you don't have anything of substance to say? I like it it. Keep doing it. You make me feel like Justin Beiber with all of this attention. Weeeeeeeeeeeeee!

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I'm not questioning that. You suggested that "people" were talking about it.


"Officially" his foot is not an issue.


To me it falls in-line with Schaub trying to do "too much" with all the talk from McNair, Kubiak, & even Smith in the offseason, I thought it was pretty clear they blamed Schaub's play for our December breakdown, & post season failure.

So you have Schaub trying to be a play-maker, instead of taking what the defense gives him. That pick six in the Seattle game, had nothing to do with a bum foot, it was a poor decision to try to give OD a chance to make a play.

Then, if I were one of the conspiracists, I would remind you that he didn't partcipate in any off-season activities prior to the 2012 season. In 2013, he did... so instead of starting the clock in August/September, you should start in April/May.
Not an issue with anyone but some Texans Message Board warriors. Luckily they have an in house doc to explain things to them, unlike anyone in the NFL who are more into guess work, and just reading press clippings, or watching video highlights to get their information. I mean why would the Texans own doctors, and physical therapists pass any pertinent injury information along to the management, or ownership? Must be a conspiracy to hide Schaub's true status from the rest of the world.

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Nobody is blaming ALL Schaub's INTs or problems on his foot. We're blaming the increased INT rate, less attempts downfield, lowered accuracy, etc. on his foot. And it is the opposite of trying to do too much to be a playmaker. It is very stark that it is two different QBs:

Pre-injury (2011): 5.1% TDs, 2.1% Ints, 8.5 ypa, 11% of att. 21+ yds in air.
Post-injury: 3.5% TDs, 2.9% Ints, 7.0 ypa, 6.7% of att. 21+ yds in air.
Actually Cak, Schaub's 2012 accuracy was better than it had been since 2009, which was his best year ever in terms of completion %.

Do your number account for the fact that Schaub only started 8 games, and played partially in 10 in 2013? That would make a big difference in the way those number look.

Placing the blame on his foot is where I disagree. I believe his slippage in those areas are due more to facing more pressure than ever before, because of the porous right side of the line, and line play overall. Kind of hard to have time to throw down field when someone is in your face within a second or two. Kubiak knew this and his adjustment was to shorten up the throws, and that led to defenses sitting on routes and more INT's. Add to that the loss of Dreesen who was a major contributor in the short passing game the previous season and you see the results.

Its a line that has never really recovered from the loss of Eric Winston and Mike Brisiel, plain and simple. This IMHO is the biggest factor in Schaub's regression, not his foot injury.

For an example of bad line play, by week 11 of 2013, Derek Newton alone had allowed four sacks, six hits, and 26 hurries along with eight penalties. Can you say "Disaster?"

In the game vs. Tampa Bay when Schaub was injured late in the 2nd quarter, not only did Schaub finish the game after he was injured, the Texans won the game. Schaub only threw 3 more passes after the injury, but that had little to do with injury, and more to do with how the running game was performing and protecting the lead. Moving around even when just handing the ball off still puts a lot of stress on a foot, let alone a broken one.

Schaub was 11/15 (73.3%) for 242 Yards (16.1 Avg), 2 TD's, 0 INT's and only 1 sack for 7 yards giving him a 154.9 rating. Are you really saying that after surgically repairing the foot, and months of rehab, that he is going to play worse than the day he actually suffered the injury?

It is hard for me to believe that the injury causes him more pain today, than it did the day the injury occurred. I will concede that the injury may have sapped some of his already limited mobility, but a mobile QB was never part of the Texans success anyway. It was when the protection held up, and Matt delivered the ball. Protect the QB like they are getting paid to do, and he will get the job done. Who looked better against the Seahawks D, Schaub, or Manning? I suppose that first half was just luck right? It's my opinion the Texans would have gone on to win that game regardless of the pick 6 if the D had held up.

I agree with TK's assessment regarding trying to do too much as well, and think that also factors into Schaub's drop off far more than his foot injury from 2011.

Having said all of that, I would be as shocked as any of you, if Schaub was retained, and ever played a down for the Texans again. Are we having fun yet?

Ok Lucky, what's my total up to now?
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150 of 380. 39.5%. At least you're consistent.
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. It was when the protection held up, and Matt delivered the ball. Protect the QB like they are getting paid to do, and he will get the job done. Who looked better against the Seahawks D, Schaub, or Manning? I suppose that first half was just luck right? It's my opinion the Texans would have gone on to win that game regardless of the pick 6 if the D had held up.
I was more upset about the defense giving up two 80 yard drives in the second half for TDs in that game than the pick 6. Yeah, Schaub screwed the pooch & gave them 6 points. But to give up just one 80 yard drive is worse for the "number 1 defense" especially in passing yards. It's not like Marshawn Lynch ran all over us.

But... Schaub had two opportunities to put points on the board & win the game.

Didn't do it. Can't blame the defense for that. The ball was in his hand & he had opportunity. I don't care for Andrew Luck, but I think he would have shined in that situation.

Same team... just add Luck & we win that game. Heck, throw Keenum in there cold & we probably win that game.
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You always have an excuse, and never admit that it is odd that it appears only people on this board are discussing the foot injury as a degenerative problem that is causing his performance to fall off. If it does not require experienced analysis, then why are you guys the only ones coming to that conclusion?
It doesn't require experienced analysis to see the fall off in performance. The prognosis is something CnD nailed at the time of the injury as a potential result and it has since come to pass.

Nationally, the analysts rarely talk about injuries in this kind of detail but you do hear about it with other players and even the same injury. MJD is "healed" and look at his performance post lis franc.

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You and TK are confusing cleared to play and healed with no effect. Frankly this is beyond argument - injuries often completely heal and players are cleared to play and there are still effects of the injury. Ever heard the phrase "he's lost a step after his knee injury" or "he's not as sideline to sideline..." - of course you have. Any doctor will tell you lots of these injuries have long term degenerative effects even after completely healed. To argue otherwise is just lying. What doc described was those types of changes are particularly bad with lis franc injuries.

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No, it wasn't. His completion % remained high but that isn't the same thing. He was throwing shorter which should have led to an increased completion % with the same accuracy. It did not. Also, less accurate does not mean uncatchable. I am sure OD would have caught the pass Sherman picked if Sherman hadn't been there. That doesn't mean the ball was accurate. It wasn't. If it had been thrown better Sherman wouldn't have made the play on the ball. Now watch this, it's called balance. OD also could have been more aggressive stepping back into the ball and prevented the INT. That would not however have made the ball more accurate.

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Do your number account for the fact that Schaub only started 8 games, and played partially in 10 in 2013? That would make a big difference in the way those number look.
Yes those numbers account for that so no there would be no difference. Nothing there is on a per game basis. They are all on a per attempt basis.

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Doesn't fly. Schaub went from being one of the top QBs in the league when blitzed to one of the worst.

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That is just ignorance of physiology and psychology. The day an injury occurs your body and mind have not had a chance to build up compensatory habits. Guts will get you through the pain and your mind is still viewing the field and your options as if the injury has not occurred. Months of discomfort leads to different muscle use to avoid the pain or discomfort and to compensate for any loss of strength by using nearby muscle groups. This is a very frequent phenomenon and one by the way which CnD has correctly predicted in other players both on the Texans and around the league.

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Yeah, the foot, not the ankle.

So, there's no guarantee that it heals completely in the offseason. That's what I didn't realize.
It will never heal.

It's a degenerative condition.
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You and TK are confusing cleared to play and healed with no effect. Frankly this is beyond argument - injuries often completely heal and players are cleared to play and there are still effects of the injury. Ever heard the phrase "he's lost a step after his knee injury" or "he's not as sideline to sideline..." - of course you have. Any doctor will tell you lots of these injuries have long term degenerative effects even after completely healed. To argue otherwise is just lying. What doc described was those types of changes are particularly bad with lis franc injuries.
No, I'm not confusing anything. Yes I was expecting the degenerative effects CnD spoke of. I looked for them. Didn't see them.

I don't think he lost any zip in his throws. There wasn't a lot to begin with & what we've seen since does not look markedly off.

I was expecting to see him not transfer his weight to his throwing foot, or not push off with his back foot.... he has good hip & shoulder rotation, his feet look fine during his throws.

Not once did I see him favor any foot, or limp off the field, or walk with any hitch whatsoever, suggesting he pushed his foot to it's limits. I thought maybe they were shooting him up before games, but then I never heard Kubiak try to defend Matt, he tried to deflect some blame, but never, "Matt's battling through some things..." Nothing from anyone in the organization.

& he ran out of the pocket, trying to make plays more this season (8 games) than he has in the last two years combined (I don't have the numbers to back that up, but it seemed like it)... & he looked good doing it. Good for Schaub that is.

For a little while I thought the premature move to Keenum suggested there was something going on with Matt that we didn't know about. But they never put him on IR, & he remained active... so I'm still thinking maybe.

Besides, I'm not saying there is nothing wrong with Schaub's foot. I'm not saying the doctor was wrong (I'm no doctor) I'm just saying I don't see the evidence. More speculation & supposition than anything. He had a bad season, so did Matt Ryan, so did Eli Manning, so did Joe Flacco.... are they all suffering from Schaub's Lis Franc?


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It will never heal.

It's a degenerative condition.
The preponderance of the evidence appears strong to conclusive. Schaub starts strong and then fades as the season progresses. It matches my personal observations. The falloff is coincidentally associated with the breakdown of team mates to injury which might magnify the problem and offer alternative explanations of his falloff. But I see nothing to contradict the observation.

It might not be enough to convict in a criminal court, but it is certainly enough in a Civil action.

I wonder if he was insured against injury when they made the big Contract like Bagwell was?
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