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Old 03-11-2014   #241
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This is not a bad place to be... Given that the Texans have Schaub, Myers, Manning, Joseph, AJ all with big cap numbers and shrinking cap hits, the Texans can structure pretty much any deal they want. I wouldn't worry much about cap room. Given a 2-14 season and a new staff, I wouldn't expect a bankload of dollars spent on a single player. It is a roster overhaul. Unlike the last one that began in 2006, this one will not take three years to unwind. The Texans will enter 2014-15 in great cap shape without having to mortgage this season away.
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The Broncos have the cap space to sign Talib, TJ Ward and are now making a serious push for Demarcus Ware...

How are they in such a better position cap wise than us?! 😭
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Not. They are in a "win now" mode. If we had Peyton Manning at age 38, we would be doing the same thing. It makes no sense for a new staff, with a leash, to aggressively go after free agents when they have not had a single live practice with the current players. Look for aggressiveness in FA next year. This year, we will be grabbing familiar players and locker room guys in positions of weakness.... It's how all the good ones do it: Parcells, Belicheck, Schottenheimer, Jimmy Johnson, etc...
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This is not a bad place to be... Given that the Texans have Schaub, Myers, Manning, Joseph, AJ all with big cap numbers and shrinking cap hits, the Texans can structure pretty much any deal they want. I wouldn't worry much about cap room. Given a 2-14 season and a new staff, I wouldn't expect a bankload of dollars spent on a single player. It is a roster overhaul. Unlike the last one that began in 2006, this one will not take three years to unwind. The Texans will enter 2014-15 in great cap shape without having to mortgage this season away.

I want us to have flexibility to add pieces if we become a playoff team again in the near future. We are so hamstrung by the cap that our depth was terrible. This is a fundamental flaw that can't be dismissed. I would love to have gone in to the 2012 season with DeMeco and Winston. We have continually gotten weaker since 2011 with is the opposite of what Denver has done.

Rick Smith has failed badly managing the cap and hasn't drafted well in the 2nd-4th rounds which is the lifeblood of where good teams replenish talent. Rick Smith seems to me to not be connected on what's going in the league. You see Daryl Morey find value in late round draft picks and add a nice rotational player in Jordan Hamilton for nothing. Rick Smith has never come close to providing analogous talent for the Texans.
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Not. They are in a "win now" mode. If we had Peyton Manning at age 38, we would be doing the same thing. It makes no sense for a new staff, with a leash, to aggressively go after free agents when they have not had a single live practice with the current players. Look for aggressiveness in FA next year. This year, we will be grabbing familiar players and locker room guys in positions of weakness.... It's how all the good ones do it: Parcells, Belicheck, Schottenheimer, Jimmy Johnson, etc...

Weren't we in a "win now" mode in 2012 and 2013? We got weaker and lost key contributors from our first playoff team. We didn't have a franchise QB to pay like they did. Denver is paying Manning close to $20 million and they still can find room!! We should have had more cap room since Schaub was relatively cheap in comparison.

The truth is We couldn't find a competent RT and our LB corps went to crap the past 2 years because we have an incompetent fool running our team.
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I'm sick and tired of seeing Denver add to their talent base. They just added Aqib Talib, the best cover corner in the game and are supposedly at the top of the list for DeMarcus Ware.

I want the Texans to do whatever they have to get out of this cap situation where they are completely hamstrung. It just builds in excuses for Rick Smith's continual failures. Denver is paying for Peyton Manning, Wes Welker, Von Miller, and a bunch of other stars and they are ADDING talent. We can't get a competent RT to man the position.
They've got $27M, we've got $13M..... making Schaub a June 1st cut will bring us to $23M, cutting DMann would bring us to $27M.... but we'll have to wait 'til June 1st before we can dip into the Schaub money.

We've got money now... $13M we can spend now. The Texans like to wait out the first couple of weeks regardless.
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They've got $27M, we've got $13M..... making Schaub a June 1st cut will bring us to $23M, cutting DMann would bring us to $27M.... but we'll have to wait 'til June 1st before we can dip into the Schaub money.

We've got money now... $13M we can spend now. The Texans like to wait out the first couple of weeks regardless.
Different scenario. This coaching staff doesn't have the belief nor the need that the staff did in 2010 when it grabbed Joseph and Manning... They are making a change for the future at QB. By definition, that means the team isn't trying to win a championship this year. While a dramatic turn around is likely expected, overpaying to plug a final hole with an elite talent in the FA market doesn't make sense for the current (and new) organization. They will grab some quality players at positions of need and likely end up with a couple quality compensatory picks for next year.
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They've got $27M, we've got $13M..... making Schaub a June 1st cut will bring us to $23M, cutting DMann would bring us to $27M.... but we'll have to wait 'til June 1st before we can dip into the Schaub money.



We've got money now... $13M we can spend now. The Texans like to wait out the first couple of weeks regardless.

You do realize we would have to cut our starting safety and what was our starting QB to reach $23 million. Denver has freaking Peyton Manning and a bunch of stars and they had $27 million in cap space. You can't think that we are in the same boat as they are. I truly wonder if we can fill out the roster with competent players. You can't be this blind. Please.
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The Broncos have the cap space to sign Talib, TJ Ward and are now making a serious push for Demarcus Ware...

How are they in such a better position cap wise than us?! ��
They have Bowlen/Elway running their team.

The Texans have BoB/Cal McNair/Rick Smith running their team.
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You do realize we would have to cut our starting safety and what was our starting QB to reach $23 million. Denver has freaking Peyton Manning and a bunch of stars and they had $27 million in cap space. You can't think that we are in the same boat as they are. I truly wonder if we can fill out the roster with competent players. You can't be this blind. Please.
It's important to look at their free agent situation:

Knowshon Moreno, RB - starter
Andre Caldwell, WR
Eric Decker, WR - starter
Winston Justice, OL
Zane Beadles, OL - starter
Dan Koppen, OL
Robert Ayers, DE - starter
Jeremy Mincey, DE
Shaun Phillips, LB - starter
Stewart Bradley, LB
Paris Lenon, LB
Wesley Woodyard, LB - starter
Champ Bailey, CB
Quentin Jammer, CB
Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, CB - starter
Steve Vallos, C
Mike Adams, S
Michael Huff, S

Plus starting CB Chris Harris most likely won't play next year having gone down with an ACL in the playoffs. They just signed Talib to a stupid contract to replace him.

Just saying you can't only looked at the cap space as often a lot of that will be sucked up in staying even.

We are losing a NT who doesn't seem to fit the new D, a LG who was done anyway and a DE who I wish they would re-sign, but we'll see, and a FB who can be re-signed or replaced easily.
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It's important to look at their free agent situation:

Knowshon Moreno, RB - starter
Andre Caldwell, WR
Eric Decker, WR - starter
Winston Justice, OL
Zane Beadles, OL - starter
Dan Koppen, OL
Robert Ayers, DE - starter
Jeremy Mincey, DE
Shaun Phillips, LB - starter
Stewart Bradley, LB
Paris Lenon, LB
Wesley Woodyard, LB - starter
Champ Bailey, CB
Quentin Jammer, CB
Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, CB - starter
Steve Vallos, C
Mike Adams, S
Michael Huff, S

Plus starting CB Chris Harris most likely won't play next year having gone down with an ACL in the playoffs. They just signed Talib to a stupid contract to replace him.

Just saying you can't only looked at the cap space as often a lot of that will be sucked up in staying even.

We are losing a NT who doesn't seem to fit the new D, a LG who was done anyway and a DE who I wish they would re-sign, but we'll see, and a FB who can be re-signed or replaced easily.
So is the moral of this story, have 5-ten 4/5 star guys then fill in the rest of the pieces with draft picks and high end short term guys.
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The Broncos have the cap space to sign Talib, TJ Ward and are now making a serious push for Demarcus Ware...

How are they in such a better position cap wise than us?! 😭
Because they drafted Von Miller instead of making Dummerville a highly paid can of ass whup'n.

Denver's cap, Texan's cap

Peyton's cap hit is $3M more than Andre's = Bronco's + $3M
Schaub's cap hit is $2M more than Clady's = Bronco's + $1M
Jjo's cap hit is $3M more than Welker's = Texans + $2M
Foster's cap hit is $1M more than Vasquez's = Texans + $3M
Duane Brown's cap hit is $2M more than Von Miller's = Texans + $5M
Chris Myer's cap hit is $1M more than Chris Kuper's = Texans + $6M
Daniel Manning, $1M more than DeMarius Thomas = Texans + $7M
Cushing, $1M more than Matt Praeter = Texans + $8M
Kareem, $0.5M more than Jacob Tamme = Texans +$8.5M
Jj Watt, $1M more than Colquitt = Texans + $9.5M
Dressen, $1M more than Lechler = Texans + $8.5M
Knighton, $0.8M more than Mercilus = Texans + $7.3M
Ramirez, $0.8M more than Hopkins = Texans + $

You get the idea.
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I'm sick and tired of seeing Denver add to their talent base. They just added Aqib Talib, the best cover corner in the game and are supposedly at the top of the list for DeMarcus Ware.

I want the Texans to do whatever they have to get out of this cap situation where they are completely hamstrung. It just builds in excuses for Rick Smith's continual failures. Denver is paying for Peyton Manning, Wes Welker, Von Miller, and a bunch of other stars and they are ADDING talent. We can't get a competent RT to man the position.
No one talked about broncos line until they played seattle. Nobody gave a hoot about the all pro clady not playing until they played seattle.Know why? The qb. The patriots had great ol play until they played the giants dl. The broncos have a lot of players on rookie contracts. The tebow playoff year was laced with rookies. They ditched him, got a atg and they stil have guys on rookie deals.
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So is the moral of this story, have 5-ten 4/5 star guys then fill in the rest of the pieces with draft picks and high end short term guys.
Well the moral was supposed to be things aren't what they seem at first blush.

But another one is when those 4/5 star guys are the ones who go down or underperform you're screwed. Of our top paid guys only two played healthy last year - AJ and Myers. All injuries are not created and that is not an excuse it is reality.

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Because they drafted Von Miller instead of making Dummerville a highly paid can of ass whup'n.
Well bringing up Dumervil makes a good point. They didn't mean to let him go. Their cap wasn't designed to have as much space as it does this year. If his agent had returned the contract on time they'd have $7 mil or so less in open cap.
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You do realize we would have to cut our starting safety and what was our starting QB to reach $23 million. Denver has freaking Peyton Manning and a bunch of stars and they had $27 million in cap space. You can't think that we are in the same boat as they are. I truly wonder if we can fill out the roster with competent players. You can't be this blind. Please.
Most of their stars are still on their rookie contracts. Knowshon, Julius Thomas, Eric Decker.

Knowshon & Decker aren't counted in that $27M, neither are Cromartie, Champ Bailey, Robert Ayers, or Zack Beadles......

Strip our team down as much as theirs is now... it's more similar than you think.

I agree with you on the 2nd through 4th round picks... mostly. I'm starting to think we've got talented players wasting away because the rift between Kubiak & Smith might be deeper than we thought. Tate (in the doghouse), Brandon Harris (doghouse), Sam Montgomery (may never have gotten a fair shot), I'm sure there are more.

But managing the cap hasn't been a "big" issue. He stumbled a little in the 2012 season, but a lot of the contending teams did, making the same assumption that the salary camp would go up after the lockout year... look what happened to Dallas & Washington for extreme examples.

& yes, I know a lot of people want to point to Schaub's contract as a mistake, but Slick Rick didn't put himself in a situation where he would have to pay Schaub $100M like Baltimore, Atlanta, & Dallas did. They're married to QBs that did not help their teams even make the play offs.... same as us, but we can dump Schaub this year & save $10M. This is just 2 years after signing the contract in the first place. If you can get past the hate, you'd appreciate the genius.

The only difference between Schaub & those guys in 2013 (other than the pick 6 record) was that McNair didn't give Schaub the opportunity to polish a turd of a season; we got the #1 pick, Atlanta is outside the top 5, & both Dallas & Baltimore are outside the top 15.
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Well bringing up Dumervil makes a good point. They didn't mean to let him go. Their cap wasn't designed to have as much space as it does this year. If his agent had returned the contract on time they'd have $7 mil or so less in open cap.
You're right, I forgot about that. I was giving them the benefit of the doubt, when it was his agent that screwed the pooch.
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Demariyus Thomas is on a rookie deal as well. They have drafted well lately. Miller will be due a contract after 2014, same with D. Thomas.
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There have been many here that have given good explanations of how the June 1st cuts work. Spotrac uses Miles Austin to put a simple to follow path. Worth reading if you're still confused.

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Great take on 790 by John Harris just now. If the window for the Texans to make a run at the Superbowl is unknown, then why spend money on big free agents today?

My opinion is that money spent on big name free agents with a team that isn't posed to make a run is wasted money. McNair can speak with his "win now" mentality to the fans but those that are paying attention know it will be a minimum of 2-3 years to get back. 2015 and 2016 might be the time to spend some money as we get our pick of high draft picks. The last time the Texans had the #1 pick (2006) that was arguably the best draft class in franchise history. Hopefully we can say the same thing about 2014 which will allow us to spend money in 2015-2017.
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Jayson Braddock ‏@JaysonBraddock 5m

So much for the theory of "if you have a young QB, you can spend big in free agency." Peyton has $17.5 mil cap hit, yet Ward, Talib, Ware

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Jayson Braddock ‏@JaysonBraddock 8m

In my day we had a salary cap MT @spotrac: The #Broncos have signed 3 players(Ware, Talib, Ward) for $113M $60M gtd http://bit.ly/1kiRVQn
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Jayson Braddock ‏@JaysonBraddock 11m

3 yr $30 mil w/ $20mil guaranteed. Basically got the DE version of the Peyton Manning contract. New motto "Win a SB with Peyton or eff it"
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Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 14m

Filed to ESPN: Pending a physical, former Cowboys DE DeMarcus Ware reached agreement with Broncos on 3-year, $30M contract include $20M gtd.
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