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Old 03-19-2014   #641
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Hey if anyone is in need of a slot receiver, Andrew Hawkins is on the trading block! He's real nice, and he does flips sometimes to get your team on the ESPN Top 10 list! Anyone want him?

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Ours does. And the reason we have visions of Wes Welker is because this is the offense that Welker made his name in.
I was talking about Miami. And we will see. I didn't exactly see any "slot" WRs setting the world on fire in Penn State. Let's not give BOB too much credit for Tom Brady and New England's success. Josh McD brought in Welker and helped him to his first two 100/1000 yard seasons.
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Untrue. They would incur $4.2 MM dead money. He was JUST signed to a 5/30 MM deal. That's not slot WR money, he's not playing slot and he is not being cut next year.

There is a modern day obsession with slot WRs due to the emergence of some really great WRs like Welker, Cruz, and a few others, but many offenses don't really support a slot WR. Bill Lazor is the new OC in Miami, coming from Philly and Chip Kelly. Their offense featured a "slot" WR in Jason Avant having ~800 offensive snaps (more than Victor Cruz). Avant ended the year with like 40/450.

The obsession with slot WRs has just gone out of control. People were obsessing with the possibilities of Keshawn Martin preseason and I told them all that Garrett Graham would be the true beneficiary of the slot WR role and they damn near laughed me out of the thread because they had this vision of Wes Welker in their heads...
Correct me if I'm wrong (not a capologist), but he was paid a 7 million signing bonus. He's guaranteed 12.5 million, so that leaves 5.5 million. Calculate in his salary from this year and the salary he'll be paid next year, and doesn't that finish off his guaranteed money? Could the Dolphins not cut him after next season without incurring dead money?
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Hey if anyone is in need of a slot receiver, Andrew Hawkins is on the trading block! He's real nice, and he does flips sometimes to get your team on the ESPN Top 10 list! Anyone want him?

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Browns are stuck with him. Once they inked them I totally my buddy from Cleveland the Bengals weren't matching and the Browns just threw that money away.
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Untrue. They would incur $4.2 MM dead money. He was JUST signed to a 5/30 MM deal. That's not slot WR money, he's not playing slot and he is not being cut next year.

There is a modern day obsession with slot WRs due to the emergence of some really great WRs like Welker, Cruz, and a few others, but many offenses don't really support a slot WR. Bill Lazor is the new OC in Miami, coming from Philly and Chip Kelly. Their offense featured a "slot" WR in Jason Avant having ~800 offensive snaps (more than Victor Cruz). Avant ended the year with like 40/450.

The obsession with slot WRs has just gone out of control. People were obsessing with the possibilities of Keshawn Martin preseason and I told them all that Garrett Graham would be the true beneficiary of the slot WR role and they damn near laughed me out of the thread because they had this vision of Wes Welker in their heads...
Probably not this yr and certainly not with Martin. But I bet this changes very quickly in BOB's Pats style offense. I think the perfect slot WR may already be on the roster. (Cruse)
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Correct me if I'm wrong (not a capologist), but he was paid a 7 million signing bonus. He's guaranteed 12.5 million, so that leaves 5.5 million. Calculate in his salary from this year and the salary he'll be paid next year, and doesn't that finish off his guaranteed money? Could the Dolphins not cut him after next season without incurring dead money?
Just go to www.overthecap.com and type in a name if you have any questions. They do all the work for you:

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Spreadsheet and pick thread are updated now.

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Just go to www.overthecap.com and type in a name if you have any questions. They do all the work for you:

http://www.overthecap.com/cap.php?Na...&Team=Dolphins
So after 2014, they can cut him and save 3 million against the cap, according to this website.
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Probably not this yr and certainly not with Martin. But I bet this changes very quickly in BOB's Pats style offense. I think the perfect slot WR may already be on the roster. (Cruse)
And that's certainly your right and I respect your opinion. I will also just say I worry Cruse will never amount to anything on this team and will be cut soon. If he can't make a mark on STs his days in this league and especially the Texans are numbered.
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So after 2014, they can cut him and save 3 million against the cap, according to this website.
Yeah, $7.3 MM year contract cap hit, but if they cut it's a $4.2 MM dead money hit. Therefore a $3 MM savings. Good luck finding a WR as capable as Hartline for $3 MM unless you are blowing a 2nd round pick when you got bigger holes elsewhere.

Just an added FYI, the way that signing bonus' work is they are spread through the life of the contract. For ex. 4 year deal with an $8 MM signing bonus means 8/4= $2 MM per year in that signing bonus is spread throughout in each year of the contract. Therefore after year 1, you cut the person you incur a $6 MM cap hit in dead money unless you get fancy w/ June 1st cuts, etc.
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And that's certainly your right and I respect your opinion. I will also just say I worry Cruse will never amount to anything on this team and will be cut soon. If he can't make a mark on STs his days in this league and especially the Texans are numbered.
You're probably right about Cruse. But I will say that Cruse impressed me last preseason more than Martin ever has.
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Untrue. They would incur $4.2 MM dead money. He was JUST signed to a 5/30 MM deal. That's not slot WR money, he's not playing slot and he is not being cut next year.

There is a modern day obsession with slot WRs due to the emergence of some really great WRs like Welker, Cruz, and a few others, but many offenses don't really support a slot WR. Bill Lazor is the new OC in Miami, coming from Philly and Chip Kelly. Their offense featured a "slot" WR in Jason Avant having ~800 offensive snaps (more than Victor Cruz). Avant ended the year with like 40/450.

The obsession with slot WRs has just gone out of control. People were obsessing with the possibilities of Keshawn Martin preseason and I told them all that Garrett Graham would be the true beneficiary of the slot WR role and they damn near laughed me out of the thread because they had this vision of Wes Welker in their heads...
You need to check the numbers again. Cutting Hartline next season saves the Dolphins over 7M. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/miami-dol...rian-hartline/. Zero dead money after this season. His deal was for only 12.5M guaranteed.

As for all the other stuff you said, I'm not sure how that applies. If Robinson is a better #2, Hartline will play the slot. He's better at it than Robinson would be anyway IMO. Most likely, they'd just cut him though as they will need to money to make a few key resignings.

Edit: actually spotrac looks to be wrong here, should have run the numbers myself. Even still, it would be worth cutting him as he isn't worth 7+M and they'll need the money. 3M or so isn't much for one year but when you factor in the 7+M for two more years, he isn't worth it.
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I kinda like Rishard Matthews as a slot WR for the Dolphins. That guy is really talented and just starting to come into his own.
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I kinda like Rishard Matthews as a slot WR for the Dolphins. That guy is really talented and just starting to come into his own.
and is paid a lot less than Hartline...
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Bengals select Kareem Martin, DE, UNC.

Fits a position of need and is the best left DE on my board and not far off from here on my big board. Though I've seen him ranked lower.
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Bengals select Kareem Martin, DE, UNC.

Fits a position of need and is the best left DE on my board and not far off from here on my big board. Though I've seen him ranked lower.
Same, and I thought he'd be a steal at lower positions, but here or early 3rd is where he should be going in accordance with his talent.

Also never hurts to select a kid from your university
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I'm liking a ton of these drafts.
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Same, and I thought he'd be a steal at lower positions, but here or early 3rd is where he should be going in accordance with his talent.

Also never hurts to select a kid from your university
For some reason I didn't like him when I was reading up on him and down graded him to a 4th rounder. He is the lowest rated player selected off my big baord.

What do you guys like about him?
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For some reason I didn't like him when I was reading up on him and down graded him to a 4th rounder. He is the lowest rated player selected off my big baord.

What do you guys like about him?
Well, he's big and strong. He can move around a bit on the line on different downs because of it, which is nice. I didn't see a whole lot of UNC this year, only a few games, but I liked what I saw. He's a nice replacement for Johnson. They are pretty similar.
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For some reason I didn't like him when I was reading up on him and down graded him to a 4th rounder. He is the lowest rated player selected off my big baord.

What do you guys like about him?
Length, decent off the snap, strength at initial contact and good ability to shoot the gap. 4-3 run-stopping end more than a pass rusher, but improving use of hands and developing pass rush moves would turn him into a very fine 4-3 all around end. Wouldn't expect him to be a sack machine, but I can see him with good TFL and stifling the run.
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