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Old 03-19-2014   #621
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DaQuan Jones DT Penn State
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So I have an OLB, a CB, and a FS in mind for the Jets pick. Won't name names because it might dilute the process.

What position should the Jets draft?
You can add OT to the list.

CB probably would be my pick. They need 2 of them really, a future #1 to replace Cromartie.
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Why would you think Hartline can/would play the slot?
I think he can play the slot, but honestly I think they will cut him next year. Cutting him saves over $7M on the cap next year and they would not incur any dead money.

I think that Robinson pick is spot on as a future #2 who adds something different than a Wallace or a Hartline.
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You can add OT to the list.

CB probably would be my pick. They need 2 of them really, a future #1 to replace Cromartie.
I considered OT, OG, RB, and another WR as well but thought CB was their most pressing need.
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The Philadelphia Eagles select...

Jordan Matthews - WR - Vanderbilt - SEC
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The New York Jets select.....

Marcus Roberson - CB - Florida - SEC


(Blake or Dutch, feel free to change this pick if I've overstepped my bounds. Just trying to keep things moving.)
I'm late to the party.

Roberson was 2nd on my list.

1st on my list was Crichton. He is a relentless pass rusher with a great 1st step and a great work ethic. The Bears could use more players with Crichton's intensity. Houston/Crichton = huge upgraded DE position.
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Jordan Matthews, WR, Vanderbilt, 6-3 212
Chisled like his bloodline, Jerry Rice, productive, timed better than most expected for his size @ Combine ran a 4.46 & lifted 21 reps (one less than Clowney) also 35 1/2 VJ, 10' BJ 201 receptions last two years. Solid football player, Pro- Ready. Phildephia already disucssing trading DeSean Jackson, probably for a 2nd/3rd so along with adding Sproles Chip Kelly offense doesn't skip a beat.
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I don't have access to update the Results thread so here is a quick update...


15(47) Dallas Cowboys - Trent Murphy - DE - Stanford
16(48) Baltimore Ravens - Jack Mewhort - OL - Ohio State
17(49) New York Jets - Marcus Roberson - CB - Florida
18(50) Miami Dolphins - Allen Robinson - WR - Penn State
19(51) Chicago Bears - Scott Crichton - DE - Oregon State
I don't know how to do the bold thingy, but I have access to do the update if you want.
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RESULTS thread hasn't been updated yet so here's a small update for the next guys on the clock....

2 (#48) Baltimore Ravens - Jack Mewhort - OT - Ohio State
2 (#49) New York Jets - Marcus Roberson - CB - Florida
2 (#50) Miami Dolphins - Allen Robinson - WR - Penn State
2 (#51) Chicago Bears - Scott Crichton - DE - Oregon State
2 (#52) Arizona Cardinals - Jimmie Ward - SS - Northern Illinois
2 (#53) Green Bay Packers - DaQuan Jones - DT - Penn State
2 (#54) Philadelphia Eagles - Jordan Matthews - WR - Vanderbilt
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I don't know how to do the bold thingy, but I have access to do the update if you want.
That would be much appreciated.
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That would be much appreciated.
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Jordan Matthews, WR, Vanderbilt, 6-3 212
Chisled like his bloodline, Jerry Rice, productive, timed better than most expected for his size @ Combine ran a 4.46 & lifted 21 reps (one less than Clowney) also 35 1/2 VJ, 10' BJ 201 receptions last two years. Solid football player, Pro- Ready. Phildephia already disucssing trading DeSean Jackson, probably for a 2nd/3rd so along with adding Sproles Chip Kelly offense doesn't skip a beat.
Nice pick, I like him a lot. I like what the Eagles are doing too by trying to trade DeSean. They see value here in draft and feel Jackson is overpaid.
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Why would you think Hartline can/would play the slot?
I don't know that he would, but he can. He's got quite a bit of speed and agility (not the stereotypical "white receiver" mold, really) but he's not a huge competitor for the ball, nor is he a touchdown machine or a redzone threat. Either way it's mostly a move with future consideration in mind. I don't believe Hartline is a long term fixture on the team (I'm not a big fan of Mike Wallace either, but that's another story) and he'll be gone sooner or later. Drafting a true slot receiver comes later, though, perhaps next year. There are many concerns the Dolphins have on the other side of the ball and one draft isn't enough to fix both offense and defense.
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Jordan Matthews, WR, Vanderbilt, 6-3 212
Chisled like his bloodline, Jerry Rice, productive, timed better than most expected for his size @ Combine ran a 4.46 & lifted 21 reps (one less than Clowney) also 35 1/2 VJ, 10' BJ 201 receptions last two years. Solid football player, Pro- Ready. Phildephia already disucssing trading DeSean Jackson, probably for a 2nd/3rd so along with adding Sproles Chip Kelly offense doesn't skip a beat.
Struggled between him and Robinson. They were basically neck in neck for me. Matthews is faster and separates better but Robinson has the edge in YAC.
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I think he can play the slot, but honestly I think they will cut him next year. Cutting him saves over $7M on the cap next year and they would not incur any dead money.

I think that Robinson pick is spot on as a future #2 who adds something different than a Wallace or a Hartline.
Untrue. They would incur $4.2 MM dead money. He was JUST signed to a 5/30 MM deal. That's not slot WR money, he's not playing slot and he is not being cut next year.

There is a modern day obsession with slot WRs due to the emergence of some really great WRs like Welker, Cruz, and a few others, but many offenses don't really support a slot WR. Bill Lazor is the new OC in Miami, coming from Philly and Chip Kelly. Their offense featured a "slot" WR in Jason Avant having ~800 offensive snaps (more than Victor Cruz). Avant ended the year with like 40/450.

The obsession with slot WRs has just gone out of control. People were obsessing with the possibilities of Keshawn Martin preseason and I told them all that Garrett Graham would be the true beneficiary of the slot WR role and they damn near laughed me out of the thread because they had this vision of Wes Welker in their heads...
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Struggled between him and Robinson. They were basically neck in neck for me. Matthews is faster and separates better but Robinson has the edge in YAC.
WR is a position in this draft where you can really add some value, can't go wrong with either one I don't think, kinda hope Robinson drops to Texans 3rd rd. but probably won't happen. Matthews I had late 1st early 2nd rd. grade! He reminds me a lot of a faster version of Marques Cholston, big possession WR.

ps thanks for letting me get him, really sweated that one out.
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WR is a position in this draft where you can really add some value, can't go wrong with either one I don't think, kinda hope Robinson drops to Texans 3rd rd. but probably won't happen. Matthews I had late 1st early 2nd rd. grade! He reminds me a lot of a faster version of Marques Cholston, big possession WR.
I definitely agree. Matthews I feel is largely underrated, but that might just be because of the amount of talent and value @ WR this draft.

Reuniting Robinson with BoB and Stan Hixon here would be sweet, but I don't think we'll be getting any higher round WRs this year, unless O'Brien's just not a fan of our WR corps.
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Untrue. They would incur $4.2 MM dead money. He was JUST signed to a 5/30 MM deal. That's not slot WR money, he's not playing slot and he is not being cut next year.

There is a modern day obsession with slot WRs due to the emergence of some really great WRs like Welker, Cruz, and a few others, but many offenses don't really support a slot WR. Bill Lazor is the new OC in Miami, coming from Philly and Chip Kelly. Their offense featured a "slot" WR in Jason Avant having ~800 offensive snaps (more than Victor Cruz). Avant ended the year with like 40/450.

The obsession with slot WRs has just gone out of control. People were obsessing with the possibilities of Keshawn Martin preseason and I told them all that Garrett Graham would be the true beneficiary of the slot WR role and they damn near laughed me out of the thread because they had this vision of Wes Welker in their heads...
Ours does. And the reason we have visions of Wes Welker is because this is the offense that Welker made his name in.
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