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Old 01-21-2014   #41
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I don't get the butthurt over Sherman. This is the same board that supported Antonio Smith trying to brain a guy with a helmet right?

Sherman is honestly refreshing for the present NFL. Same with Suh

And as someone else said, it has been reported that Sherman and Crabtree have an off the field history
Suh is loud and brash but he's a dirty cheap shot artist. I'd rather a league with several Shermans and no Suh.
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The nfl needs villains like this. Been to calm since TO called it a day


Your man... Pots and pans
OK! I have to ask if the Pots and Pans are some kind of regional inside joke. Is there more to the story? I've heard lot's of southern phrases, many of which are no longer popular, but I can't recall pots and pans being one of them.
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And who better to play the hero than Peyton Manning? I really hope this Super Bowl comes down to the last play, because it could be epic.

Also, I gotta ask what the hell does "Your man... Pots and pans" mean?
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Suh is loud and brash but he's a dirty cheap shot artist. I'd rather a league with several Shermans and no Suh.
I'm sort of on the opposite side. I love the way Suh plays MINUS the head stomps and such. He's been fined an ass load and imo has gotten much better.

That said, I don't have much of an issue with Sherman. I just didn't think running up on Crabtree showed one ounce of sportsmanship. Yes, there were obviously issues between the two beforehand, but why not be the bigger man. Your team just beat his team and sent them home. That's the bigger "in your face" to me
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I'm sort of on the opposite side. I love the way Suh plays MINUS the head stomps and such. He's been fined an ass load and imo has gotten much better.

That said, I don't have much of an issue with Sherman. I just didn't think running up on Crabtree showed one ounce of sportsmanship. Yes, there were obviously issues between the two beforehand, but why not be the bigger man. Your team just beat his team and sent them home. That's the bigger "in your face" to me
I see what you're saying about Sherman, but on the flip side, I think what we saw was pure, unbridled and unfiltered passion of a competitor.

We are so used to a sort of scrubbed and sanitized presentation of pro athletes these days, to the point that they have handlers, marketing agents, and even classes on how to neutrally present themselves, that when we see one fired up it tends to dislodge us. This was not the typical cliché catch phrases that we hear over and over ad nauseum. Instead, this was a fire breathing dragon in full beast mode.

When you listen to all the other pro athletes out there talking about this Sherman thing, almost all of them say that this is normal behavior and attitude in the locker-room and on the field. The NFL doesn't like us to see this much unless it's in a sanitized NFL Films presentation. That's why they have a 20-30 minute cool down period after games before interviews. We just got a glimpse of it when the media rushed in just moments after a huge play.

As far as the sportsmanship, Crabtree should be just as lambasted for pushing Sherman's face away. Sherman was obviously getting a bit antagonistic when he was trying to shake hands and saying 'good game', but Crabtree just fed the beast with his reaction. Sherman's emotions got the best of him in the heat of the moment, but it's not like it was unprovoked. Crabtree is a trash talker, too, and this is just another chapter in their rivalry book.

In the big picture, this is good for the NFL. Sherman is not a criminal, does not have issues off the field, and is actually a positive force in his community and various charities. His story is one that can inspire inner city youths to value education and improve their lives, and that is certainly a good thing in this world.
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I wonder how Deacon Jones, the Fridge or Mean Joe Green would do in today's NFL?.
They weren't talking trash they were just killin' muff-huggas.
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I see what you're saying about Sherman, but on the flip side, I think what we saw was pure, unbridled and unfiltered passion of a competitor.

We are so used to a sort of scrubbed and sanitized presentation of pro athletes these days, to the point that they have handlers, marketing agents, and even classes on how to neutrally present themselves, that when we see one fired up it tends to dislodge us. This was not the typical cliché catch phrases that we hear over and over ad nauseum. Instead, this was a fire breathing dragon in full beast mode.

When you listen to all the other pro athletes out there talking about this Sherman thing, almost all of them say that this is normal behavior and attitude in the locker-room and on the field. The NFL doesn't like us to see this much unless it's in a sanitized NFL Films presentation. That's why they have a 20-30 minute cool down period after games before interviews. We just got a glimpse of it when the media rushed in just moments after a huge play.

As far as the sportsmanship, Crabtree should be just as lambasted for pushing Sherman's face away. Sherman was obviously getting a bit antagonistic when he was trying to shake hands and saying 'good game', but Crabtree just fed the beast with his reaction. Sherman's emotions got the best of him in the heat of the moment, but it's not like it was unprovoked. Crabtree is a trash talker, too, and this is just another chapter in their rivalry book.

In the big picture, this is good for the NFL. Sherman is not a criminal, does not have issues off the field, and is actually a positive force in his community and various charities. His story is one that can inspire inner city youths to value education and improve their lives, and that is certainly a good thing in this world.
Apparently I have sent too much rep your way so I'll just say great post and nailed my feelings on it. Very well said.
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I'm sort of on the opposite side. I love the way Suh plays MINUS the head stomps and such. He's been fined an ass load and imo has gotten much better.

That said, I don't have much of an issue with Sherman. I just didn't think running up on Crabtree showed one ounce of sportsmanship. Yes, there were obviously issues between the two beforehand, but why not be the bigger man. Your team just beat his team and sent them home. That's the bigger "in your face" to me
In his own words and going by the pic taken, he was going up to tell him good game and shake his hand. If true, then Crabtree was the poor sport and has no class.

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I see what you're saying about Sherman, but on the flip side, I think what we saw was pure, unbridled and unfiltered passion of a competitor.

We are so used to a sort of scrubbed and sanitized presentation of pro athletes these days, to the point that they have handlers, marketing agents, and even classes on how to neutrally present themselves, that when we see one fired up it tends to dislodge us. This was not the typical cliché catch phrases that we hear over and over ad nauseum. Instead, this was a fire breathing dragon in full beast mode.

When you listen to all the other pro athletes out there talking about this Sherman thing, almost all of them say that this is normal behavior and attitude in the locker-room and on the field. The NFL doesn't like us to see this much unless it's in a sanitized NFL Films presentation. That's why they have a 20-30 minute cool down period after games before interviews. We just got a glimpse of it when the media rushed in just moments after a huge play.

As far as the sportsmanship, Crabtree should be just as lambasted for pushing Sherman's face away. Sherman was obviously getting a bit antagonistic when he was trying to shake hands and saying 'good game', but Crabtree just fed the beast with his reaction. Sherman's emotions got the best of him in the heat of the moment, but it's not like it was unprovoked. Crabtree is a trash talker, too, and this is just another chapter in their rivalry book.

In the big picture, this is good for the NFL. Sherman is not a criminal, does not have issues off the field, and is actually a positive force in his community and various charities. His story is one that can inspire inner city youths to value education and improve their lives, and that is certainly a good thing in this world.
Several good points.

Like I said before, I didn't really care about what was said in the interview due to reasons you stated. I only took issue with him running down Crabtree after the fact. You nailed it when you said the 'hand shake' was antagonizing Crabtree. The shove in the face would've never happened if the 'hand shake' never took place.

I don't mind players that are cocky, talk trash (in a competitive way) or think they're the best ever. I think it takes that kind of attitude to be successful in the game. But, running up on a guy after the game's a bit over the top for me.

In the end, I do think Crabtree's the douche of the two. This just struck a cord with me, that's all

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In his own words and going by the pic taken, he was going up to tell him good game and shake his hand. If true, then Crabtree was the poor sport and has no class.

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Yeah, but to me it was obvious he was being a smartass about it. Like DB said above, he was antagonizing Crabtree
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Just heard Richard Sherman's press conference. You can tell this whole thing has humbled him some. Honestly, I feel like what he said is overblown, but I didn't care for a lot of things he said and did in the past.

Today, he was funny, engaging, honest, open, and you can tell he's learned a lot over the past few days. I can get behind and support the guy I saw today. Nothing he did or said today was calculated or self serving. Great Job Richard! Hope this continues!
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I'm very surprised and saddened after reading a lot of Tweets directed at him since that game. These internet tough guys calling him every racial name in the book.

I stand by my thoughts in this thread, but never once did I have enough hate to degrade him as a person or attack his skin color. Overall, he's a good dude.
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Just heard Richard Sherman's press conference. You can tell this whole thing has humbled him some. Honestly, I feel like what he said is overblown, but I didn't care for a lot of things he said and did in the past.

Today, he was funny, engaging, honest, open, and you can tell he's learned a lot over the past few days. I can get behind and support the guy I saw today. Nothing he did or said today was calculated or self serving. Great Job Richard! Hope this continues!
I saw that as well. He seems like a genuinely good guy that puts his everything into football and naturally can get emotional.
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I saw that as well. He seems like a genuinely good guy that puts his everything into football and naturally can get emotional.
He hasn't always been that way though at times. Today I saw a different guy. A guy that's very likeable and seemed like he gets it now. I like his swagger on the field. I just didn't care for some of the other stuff he did, and he acknowledged his past mistakes in his press conference. I want to see more of this guy and not the guy trying so hard to self promote. He doesn't need to do that stuff anymore. He's good enough to where his play is enough promotion.
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And in sports "scrappy" is code for white guy.
Huh ... so all those times I thought Jack Lambert was a thug, I guess I was wrong. He was the wrong color. I guess he was a great guy after all!
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Of course, of course. But back then, Muhammad Ali talked enough trash for the entire wide world of sports.
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Of course, of course. But back then, Muhammad Ali talked enough trash for the entire wide world of sports.
Great point about Ali. Sherman has nothing on the word-smith that was Muhammad Ali. That dude walked circles around fools, both inside and outside of the ring.
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Great point about Ali. Sherman has nothing on the word-smith that was Muhammad Ali. That dude walked circles around fools, both inside and outside of the ring.
Yep.

And we all know talking trash pays $$$. Anything to raise your profile, good or "bad guy", increases your income. The "look at me" mentality has worked for decades, even for a few who otherwise would not have succeeded.
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Great point about Ali. Sherman has nothing on the word-smith that was Muhammad Ali. That dude walked circles around fools, both inside and outside of the ring.
Ali was villified for being a self-confident, borderline-arrogant, powerfully masculine, elite Black male athlete, while in his prime.

Same rings true for the following:
Jack Johnson
Chad Johnson
Terrell Owens
Michael Vick
Floyd Mayweather
Anderson Silva
Jim Brown
Mike Tyson
Michael Irvin
Barry Bonds

Richard just needed to know that white folks in America like their Black athletes smiling, and quiet. This is true ESPECIALLY if their on-field performance is ELITE.

Ask the Williams Sisters about that. Ask Tiger Woods about that. Ask Michael Jordan about that. After Jordan's Hall of Fame speech, all I kept hearing about was how mean he was. Then, I watched it, and all I saw was him speaking his mind about everything his life was about in public, for once in his life. He made white folks uncomfortable, and they called him "mean."

When you hear "thug" attributed to a Black male with no criminal record or history of aberrant public behavior, KNOW that it IS an attempt by a racist to communicate his frustration, without using "THAT" word to do so.

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