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Old 01-22-2014   #41
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"retool not rebuild"
Even if we (fans) get exactly whom we want at each draft pick, those players will not all be rookie of the year types as it will take time to translate to NFL. Hopkins and Swearinger are good examples imo as having good seasons but not a tremendous impact on Ws. I think we should stay away from labeling 2014 as either, just do as well as possible then expect a great 2015. This is the opportunity to dump under performing or players where $ or age to cap is not best for team. Barring trades, we should be able to utilize first five rounds to replace five vets either starters or depth. That does not necessarily include players like Schaub, both Smiths, Daniels and one of NT McClain or Mitchell. It is also possible that lower end of roster or PS or IR players could replace a player above them. I would not be surprised to see 12-15 guys from 2013 gone. 2014 is the year to make some changes without effecting ticket sales.

Going into 2015 with $30 - 50 million + 2014 draft additions + 2015 draft picks could be very sweet.
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Schaub and probably McCain are the only ones that I want.

Manning makes sense, although it would be a shame as he is obviously the best safety we have. Daniels would be a major step back as while Griffin has shown promise, G. Graham is inconsistent and a worst blocker not having a legit TE threat is one of the reasons the team struggled last season.

If you think we can replace Joseph at corner without hitting on a top draft pick in either the first or second round you are crazy.
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@taniaganguli: The guy whose loss would help the Texans' cap situation the most should be Texans quarterback Matt Schaub. His cap number in 2014 is scheduled to be $14.5 million. Houston wouldn't recover all of that by cutting Schaub, but it would be enough to make a significant dent. Johnathan Joseph's cap number is $11.25 million next season, Owen Daniels' is $6.25 million and Danieal Manning's is $6 million. I wouldn't be surprised to see all three of the latter return, though the Houston Chronicle suggested Manning could be a cap casualty. I don't expect the kind of major roster overhaul that would necessitate cap cleansing.
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If the Texans just cut Schaub and Foster and allocated all of their dead money to 2014, they would begin the 2015 season with over $50 million in cap space.
We'd still be shy on what we need to pay Watt, LOL.
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We'd still be shy on what we need to pay Watt, LOL.
Don't need to re-sign him for three years at least unless we want to.

Bigger decisions to be made
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We'd still be shy on what we need to pay Watt, LOL.
We'll burn that bridge when we get there.
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Gotta sign Watt. That's a must IMO! He's a once-in-a-lifetime player!
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By the time we have to cross it, Schaub's contract will be a distant memory.
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Would the team be better off doing a long term extension now and getting it out of the way or waiting, using the franchise tag and seeing how he holds up physically?
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Would the team be better off doing a long term extension now and getting it out of the way or waiting, using the franchise tag and seeing how he holds up physically?
Use of the franchise tag almost assures the player leaves within a year or two and often results in unmotivated play. It is to be avoided at almost all cost if you really value the player.
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Would the team be better off doing a long term extension now and getting it out of the way or waiting, using the franchise tag and seeing how he holds up physically?
New offense, new defense, and new coaches wanting new players to impliment their schemes. We're already cap strapped and commiting now when its not yet necessary means failure to me. We have bigger and more urgent issues on this team. Jmo.
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Use of the franchise tag almost assures the player leaves within a year or two and often results in unmotivated play. It is to be avoided at almost all cost if you really value the player.
Let's see:

2007 franchise tagged players
Lance Briggs - still a Bear
Justin Smith - played franchise, not franchised 2nd time - to SF
Cory Redding - franchised, signed 7 year contract
Dwight Freeney - franchised, signed 6 year contract
Asante Samuel - played franchised year with agreement no 2nd tag - to Eagles
Charles Grant - played out NFL career in NO

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Karlos Dansby - franchised twice - to Miami
Terrell Suggs - franchised twice, still a Raven
Jordan Gross - still a Panther
Stacy Andrews - tore ACL at end of franchised season - to Eagles - never same post-injury
Ken Hamlin - franchised, signed 6 year contract
Corey Williams - franchised and traded - flop since
Dallas Clark - franchised, signed 6 year contract
Jared Allen - franchised and traded
Nnamdi Asomougha - franchised, signed 3 year contract
Marcus Trufant - franchised, signed 6 year contract

I'm not seeing the same trends you are.
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I'm not seeing the same trends you are.
But you're not looking at Dunta
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Would the team be better off doing a long term extension now and getting it out of the way or waiting, using the franchise tag and seeing how he holds up physically?
If I were the GM, I'd be in contact with JJ's agent. I'd be pinging that guy several times during the year, just to keep the lines of communication open.

If they seemed amenable to a contract favorable to us, I'd try to work out some sort of deal to extend him. If not, I'd wait. I wouldn't enter into serious negotiations unless he seemed like he wanted to get something done that wasn't insane OR I had to.

After this, I'd try to see what I could negotiate when his contract is up and if we couldn't come to terms, I'd franchise him. And then I'd franchise him again.

I love JJ. He's like the perfect player. I'd do everything I could to try to keep him on our team... but... there are limits to what's feasible to what we can do and still field a complete team.
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After this, I'd try to see what I could negotiate when his contract is up and if we couldn't come to terms, I'd franchise him. And then I'd franchise him again.
Defensive end has the 2nd highest franchise tag salaries, behind QBs. Keeping a franchise tag can really limit a team's cap. That's how the 2 sides generally come to agreement, with the player getting huge $$$ up front and the team getting a lower cap number than the tag. I doubt that Watt ever actually plays under the tag.
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Defensive end has the 2nd highest franchise tag salaries, behind QBs. Keeping a franchise tag can really limit a team's cap. That's how the 2 sides generally come to agreement, with the player getting huge $$$ up front and the team getting a lower cap number than the tag. I doubt that Watt ever actually plays under the tag.
True but you do not have as much up front and guaranteed money committed; for example Cushing.
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I love JJ. He's like the perfect player. I'd do everything I could to try to keep him on our team... but... there are limits to what's feasible to what we can do and still field a complete team.
& I loved Dunta, & OD, & Demeco, & Cushing, & I was fairly fond of Matt Schaub. Demeco is making a fine recovery & I'm keeping my fingers crossed for Cush.... but there's a good chance that Jj may not be the player we think he'll be 2 years from now.

He may be a fine player, one of the best defensive players in the league, but not deserving of being the highest paid defensive player in the league.

Besides, unless we trade for Mallet & sign him to a starter's contract, we won't be paying a QB any time soon. Andre's contract should be up in 2017, he'll be 36 years old.
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Let's see:

2007 franchise tagged players
Lance Briggs - still a Bear
Justin Smith - played franchise, not franchised 2nd time - to SF
Cory Redding - franchised, signed 7 year contract
Dwight Freeney - franchised, signed 6 year contract
Asante Samuel - played franchised year with agreement no 2nd tag - to Eagles
Charles Grant - played out NFL career in NO

2008
Karlos Dansby - franchised twice - to Miami
Terrell Suggs - franchised twice, still a Raven
Jordan Gross - still a Panther
Stacy Andrews - tore ACL at end of franchised season - to Eagles - never same post-injury
Ken Hamlin - franchised, signed 6 year contract
Corey Williams - franchised and traded - flop since
Dallas Clark - franchised, signed 6 year contract
Jared Allen - franchised and traded
Nnamdi Asomougha - franchised, signed 3 year contract
Marcus Trufant - franchised, signed 6 year contract

I'm not seeing the same trends you are.
Nice research.

Perhaps I'm just recalling the exceptions rather than the rule.
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I think Ben jones would be a pretty good C. It's really his true position. I don't keep up with cap crap so don't know if it would be worth it or not. I don't think Myers is as good as some think he is. Now that we are changing systems I wonder if he will be as valuable.

I would really consider trading Foster NOW while he still has a high value. There is just to many red flags concerning his future productivity.
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