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Old 01-20-2014   #21
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guys if we are in rebuilding mode get rdy for our team to be gutted

if we don't rebuild and play it safe then except I guess a 6-10 7-9 is the best u can hope for
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Cutting JJo makes little sense to me. You have an initial savings of $3.75M but what is the cost of replacing him ??

It likely takes a quality draft choice or a solid FA to replace him. Can we afford to use a draft pick in rounds 1-3 to fill that spot this season ?? How much does a mid level talent FA cost at the position ??

Cutting him after next season costs you next to nothing. Might be more economical in terms of cap space and assets letting him play out this season and then fill the void when you can either use a quality draft pick or a top end FA.
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guys if we are in rebuilding mode get rdy for our team to be gutted

if we don't rebuild and play it safe then except I guess a 6-10 7-9 is the best u can hope for
If you've listened to McNair , he seems to think this team has loads of talent and that all its going to take is a tweak or two to the roster to be contenders again.
Don't expect a completely retooled roster if that is in fact the case.

Honestly I agree with him that if the major positions are solved with high quality talent , this team can win. Problem is the main position of need is the most important in football and I don't see a quick fix at QB.
I really don't see a FA or veteran who's available that will come in be the savior of the team.
I also cant expect a rookie QB to come in and lead this team to the playoffs .... It could happen , but I don't expect it.

No matter what else is done , looking at the landscape of the NFL , its hard to expect better a record better than .500 next season .... I think you have to build this roster with 2015 and beyond in mind .... with this being a development year for your QB.
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Cutting JJo makes little sense to me. You have an initial savings of $3.75M but what is the cost of replacing him ??

It likely takes a quality draft choice or a solid FA to replace him. Can we afford to use a draft pick in rounds 1-3 to fill that spot this season ?? How much does a mid level talent FA cost at the position ??

Cutting him after next season costs you next to nothing. Might be more economical in terms of cap space and assets letting him play out this season and then fill the void when you can either use a quality draft pick or a top end FA.
Gregory Toler was added by the Colts this last season for $4.75 mil per year. The odds of replacing JJo much less upgrading him without spending more than they would save are remote.
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Gregory Toler was added by the Colts this last season for $4.75 mil per year. The odds of replacing JJo much less upgrading him without spending more than they would save are remote.
That's what I'm getting at .... People see the dollar figure and think that is the saved amount , yet they don't consider what the cost is to fill the position ...


Cutting JJo and replacing him with a player comparable to Toler .... is a net loss of $1m.

There are instances where that is acceptable , for instance if they want to free up cap space in future years .... which might not be a horrible idea for this team considering their immediate future is highly questionable. (Who's the QB ?!)
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This is simply a rundown of players offering Potential Cap Saving in 2014 with last contract year in parenthesis:

Danieal Manning $4.5M (2014) - I would understand it, but I don't like it. Our secondary took a big blow when he went out last year and to me, it was clear he brings value and 4.5 for his value is very affordable IFF we do plan on being a playoff team next year
Owen Daniels $4.5M (2014) - This is one I've been calling for, for better part of a year and I think now is time.
Matt Shaub $4M (2016) - This is probably the most likely
Jonathan Joseph $3.75M (2015) - I hate this as spoken about in many other threads, just read Corrosion above me
Andre Johnson $3.68M (2016) - Nope
Kareem Jackson $3.09M (2014) - Nope, CBs are some of the most expensive defensive players on the market, this is just fine.
Chris Meyers $3M (2015) - dumbest one of them all, I was surprised it even got entertained on page 1.
Shane Lechler $1.42M (2015) - He's just too good of a punter, I don't want to do this, but I suppose I would understand
Derek Newton $1.39M (2014) - No Brainer. This guy is so dead to me.
Brooks Reed $1.02M (2014) - I really don't like him, but his cost is too team friendly. Hopefully we can draft a quality OLB and move this guy inside to see if he has any redeeming qualities before we let this loser walk next year.
Arian Foster $1M (2016) - Very stupid, not as stupid as Myers though.
Brice McCain $850K (2015) - I absolutely hate both he and Harris, but due to lack of depth I feel that we need to keep 1 and leave the other, who we keep and who we let walk matters little to me. I guess I'd rather keep Harris only because of where he was drafted and the hype he once had, but I don't care.
Brandon Harris $825K (2014) - See Brice McCain
Tim Jamison $730K (2014) - not a fan of his, but if Antonio walks which is very possible, this loser is going to be valuable depth that we need
My 2 cents in red bold. I'm not saying YOU are dumb by any means when I say this dumb, because you've just offered a list of POTENTIAL cap savings FYI.
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Cut & Restructure Candidates
Quarterbacks

Sam Bradford ($14.015 million)
Matt Schaub ($10 million + $1 million in per-game roster bonuses)
Mark Sanchez ($9 million + $2 million roster bonus)
Matt Moore ($4 million)
Kyle Orton ($3.25 million)
Jason Campbell ($3 million + $250,000 roster bonus)
Matt Cassel ($3.15 million)
Kevin Kolb ($2 million + $1 million roster bonus)
Ryan Fitzpatrick ($2.75 million)
Chase Daniel ($2.35 million)
Matt Hasselbeck ($1.75 million + $500,000 roster bonus)
Blaine Gabbert ($2,011,587)
Christian Ponder ($1,760,277)
Brandon Weeden ($1.125 million)

Running Backs

Jonathan Stewart ($1.5 million + $6.875 million option bonus)
Chris Johnson ($8 million)
Frank Gore ($3.3 million + $3.15 million in bonuses)
Ray Rice ($4 million)
Darren Sproles ($3.4 million + $100,000 workout bonus)
Steven Jackson ($3 million)
Michael Bush ($2.8 million + $50,000 workout bonus)
Pierre Thomas ($2.5 million + $300,000 roster bonus)
Fred Jackson ($2.45M + $93,750 in per-game roster bonuses + $100K workout bonus)
BenJarvus Green-Ellis ($2.3 million + $200,000 workout bonus)
Shonn Greene ($2.3 million)
DeAngelo Williams ($1.85 million + $150,000 workout bonus)
Jason Snelling ($1.375 million)
Justin Forsett ($1.1 million)
Ryan Williams ($1,007,832 + $50,000 workout bonus)
Mike Goodson ($1 million)
Cedric Peerman ($1 million)

Fullbacks

Le'Ron McClain ($2.5 million)
Vonta Leach ($1.75 million)

Wide Receivers

Santonio Holmes ($8.25 million + $1 million roster bonus + $250K workout bonus)
Sidney Rice ($8.5 million)
Steve Smith ($4 million + $3 million option bonus)
Stevie Johnson ($3.65 million + $1.75 million roster bonus + $275K workout bonus)
Miles Austin ($5.5 million)
Nate Burleson ($5.5 million)
Nate Washington ($4.8 million)
Lance Moore ($3.1 million + $500,000 roster bonus + $200K workout bonus)
Jason Avant ($2.25 million + $1 million roster bonus)
Davone Bess ($3.067 million)
Malcom Floyd ($2.75 million)
Earl Bennett ($2.35 million + $100,000 workout bonus)
Brad Smith ($1.3 million)
Matt Slater ($1.2 million + $100,000 workout bonus)
Jon Baldwin ($1,274,765)
Eric Weems ($1 million + $100,000 workout bonus)
Arrelious Benn ($1 million)

Offensive Linemen

Carl Nicks ($7 million)
Chris Snee ($6.95 million)
David Stewart ($6.4 million)
Levi Brown ($6 million + $250,000 workout bonus)
Davin Joseph ($6 million)
Scott Wells ($5.5 million)
Marshal Yanda ($5.5 million)
David Baas ($4.75 million + $250,000 workout bonus)
Daryn Colledge ($4.8 million + $200,000 workout bonus)
Uche Nwaneri ($3.775 million + $1 million roster bonus + $25K workout bonus)
Jeromey Clary ($4.55 million)
Harvey Dahl ($2 million + $2 million roster bonus)
Samson Satele ($3.9 million)
Mike Brisiel ($3.85 million)
Todd Herremans ($3 million)
Dan Connolly ($3 million)
Erik Pears ($2.75 million + $100,000 roster bonus + $50K workout bonus)
Mackenzy Bernadeau ($2.75 million)
Kyle Cook ($2.5 million)
Rob Sims ($2.2 million)
Leroy Harris ($1.85 million)
Nate Garner ($1.6 million + $25,000 workout bonus)
Phil Costa ($1.5 million)
Jermey Parnell ($1.5 million)
Garrett Reynolds ($1.285 million + $43,750 roster bonus)
Corey Hilliard ($1.285 million)

Tight Ends

Marcedes Lewis ($6.7 million + $150,000 workout bonus)
Heath Miller ($6.02 million)
Zach Miller ($4.8 million + $1 million roster bonus + $200K workout bonus)
Antonio Gates ($5 million)
Owen Daniels ($4.5 million)
Brent Celek ($4 million + $75,000 workout bonus)
John Carlson ($3.9 million + $100,000 workout bonus)
James Casey ($3.985 million)
Craig Stevens ($3.4 million)
Jacob Tamme ($3 million)
Joel Dreessen ($2.5 million)
Jermaine Gresham ($2,135,750 + $200,000 workout bonus)
Ben Watson ($1 million + $250,000 roster bonus + $50,000 workout bonus)
Gary Barnidge ($1.15 million)

Defensive Linemen

Julius Peppers ($13.9 million + $100,000 workout bonus)
DeMarcus Ware ($12.25 million)
Will Smith ($10.4 million + $1 million roster bonus)
Vince Wilfork ($7.5 million + $800,000 workout bonus)
Chris Clemons ($7.5 million)
Adam Carriker ($4.7M + $2M option bonus + $50K workout bonus + $250K roster bonus)
Ahtyba Rubin ($6.6 million + $300,000 workout bonus)
Jason Babin ($6 million)
Kamerion Wimbley ($6 million)
Darnell Dockett ($5.5 million + $250,000 workout bonus)
Barry Cofield ($4.55 million + $300,000 roster bonus + $150,000 workout bonus)
Kendall Langford ($5 million)
Brodrick Bunkley ($4.4 million + $100,000 workout bonus)
Mathias Kiwanuka ($4.375 million + $50,000 workout bonus)
Stephen Bowen ($4.4 million)
Letroy Guion ($3.95 million + $100,000 workout bonus)
Domata Peko ($3.965 million)
Cory Redding ($3.5 million)
Isaac Sopoaga ($3.5 million)
Osi Umenyiora ($2.5 million + $1 million roster bonus)
Dwight Freeney ($2.5 million + $500K roster bonus + $500K in per-game roster bonuses)
Jason Jones ($2.85 million)
Robert Geathers ($2.5 million + $300,000 workout bonus)
Kroy Biermann ($2.55 million)
Tyson Alualu ($2,371,500 + $150,000 workout bonus)
Tommy Kelly ($1.95 million + $500K in per-game roster bonuses + $50K workout bonus)
Roy Miller ($2.375 million)
Derek Landri ($1.5 million)
Kevin Vickerson ($1.25 million)

Linebackers

LaMarr Woodley ($8 million)
Terrell Suggs ($7.8 million)
DeMeco Ryans ($6.8 million + $100,000 workout bonus)
D'Qwell Jackson ($2.6 million + $4 million roster bonus + $100K workout bonus)
Chad Greenway ($6.4 million + $100,000 workout bonus)
Paul Posluszny ($6.45 million + $50,000 workout bonus)
Lance Briggs ($4.75 million + $500,000 roster bonus + $250K workout bonus)
Trent Cole ($5 million)
Philip Wheeler ($5 million)
David Harris ($4.9 million)
Jarret Johnson ($4 million)
A.J. Hawk ($2.45 million + $800,000 roster bonus + $250K workout bonus)
Jameel McClain ($3.2 million)
Stephen Nicholas ($3 million)
Kevin Burnett ($2.875 million + $125,000 workout bonus)
Brad Jones ($2.5 million + $300K in per-game roster bonuses + $200K workout bonus)
Rey Maualuga ($2.25 million + $250,000 workout bonus + $250K roster bonus)
Jasper Brinkley ($1.75 million + $200,000 roster bonus + $50K workout bonus)
David Hawthorne ($1 million + $1 million roster bonus)
Erin Henderson ($1.95 million)
Kaluka Maiava ($1.535 million)
Larry Foote ($1.5 million)
Heath Farwell ($1.25 million + $250,000 roster bonus)
James Harrison ($1.1 million + $250K in per-game roster bonuses + $100K workout bonus)
Justin Durant ($1.25 million)
Ashlee Palmer ($1.25 million)
Quentin Groves ($1 million)

Defensive Backs

Antonio Cromartie ($4.3 million + $5 million roster bonus + $200K workout bonus)
Champ Bailey ($9 million + $500,000 workout bonus)
Cortland Finnegan ($6 million + $3 million roster bonus)
Troy Polamalu ($8.25 million)
Johnathan Joseph ($7.5 million)
Antrel Rolle ($7 million + $250,000 workout bonus)
Tramon Williams ($6.9 million + $300,000 roster bonus)
Ike Taylor ($7 million)
Leon Hall ($6.9 million + $100,000 workout bonus)
Carlos Rogers ($6.25 million + $100,000 workout bonus + $250K roster bonus)
Michael Griffin ($6.2 million)
Louis Delmas ($5.5 million + $500,000 roster bonus)
Dimitri Patterson ($5.3 million + $100,000 workout bonus)
Asante Samuel ($3.5 million + $750K roster bonus + $1M in per-game roster bonuses)
Charles Godfrey ($5 million + $100,000 workout bonus)
Danieal Manning ($4.5 million)
Jabari Greer ($4 million + $400,000 roster bonus + $100K workout bonus)
Dunta Robinson ($3.25 million + $1 million roster bonus + $100K workout bonus)
Derek Cox ($4.25 million)
Thomas DeCoud ($4.2 million)
Tyvon Branch ($3 million + $1 million roster bonus)
Pat Chung ($3.25 million)
Roman Harper ($2.35 million + $650,000 roster bonus + $150,000 workout bonus)
Bradley Fletcher ($2.9 million)
Jamarca Sanford ($2.45 million)
Steve Gregory ($2.25 million)
George Wilson ($2 million)
Terence Newman ($1.9 million + $100,000 workout bonus)
Craig Dahl ($1.35 million + $250K in per-game roster bonuses + $50K workout bonus)
Jarrett Bush ($1.6 million + $100,000 workout bonus)
Pacman Jones ($1.2 million + $250,000 roster bonus + $100K workout bonus)
Dawan Landry ($1.5 million)
Adrian Wilson ($1.5 million)
C.J. Spillman ($1.225 million + $25,000 workout bonus)
Corey Webster ($1 million -- Voidable Year)

Kickers

Josh Scobee ($3.225 million + $25,000 workout bonus)
Stephen Gostkowski ($2.9 million + $100,000 workout bonus)
Rob Bironas ($2.875 million)
Matt Bryant ($2.75 million)
Sebastian Janikowski ($2.7 million)

Punters

Michael Koenen ($3.25 million)
Mike Scifres ($3.25 million)
Brandon Fields ($3,041,116)
Sam Koch ($2.2 million)
Adam Podlesh ($1.4 million + $25,000 workout bonus)
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Matt Schaub ($10 million + $1 million in per-game roster bonuses)
Please do not cut and paste entire articles.

They have Schaub incorrect. If he stayed next year he would not be $10 mil base, $10 mil roster bonuses and $3.5 allocated signing bonus for $23.5 mil.

He is $1 mil base, $10 mil roster and $3.5 allocated signing bonus for $14.5 mil cap hit.
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We are going to get a new QB no way we get rid of our veteran pro bowl centre.
Thus meaning Mallet maybe coming to Houston in if that be the case.
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Is it completely out of the realm of possibility that JJo could play better next year? I feel like the guy was banged up pretty much all year.
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I think we'll see a couple of guys get cut (like Schaub) but I expect most of our guys to be kept and have their contracts restructured in some way.

I don't expect to see Manning or JJo go. And I don't think OD is going anywhere, either.
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Is it completely out of the realm of possibility that JJo could play better next year? I feel like the guy was banged up pretty much all year.
He was one of the leagues best year before last .... Now he's a whipping boy around here .... I don't see why he couldn't return to form next season if he gets healthy. Question is , even at 100% is he the same guy he was .... or do those issues compromise his ability ?? Probably a question for Doc ....

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I think we'll see a couple of guys get cut (like Schaub) but I expect most of our guys to be kept and have their contracts restructured in some way.

I don't expect to see Manning or JJo go. And I don't think OD is going anywhere, either.
JJo is one of those players I could see restructuring as it just doesn't make much sense to cut him this season ..... tho after this season he has no more guaranteed $$$ meaning they could part ways after this one with no cap penalties if they don't restructure. If they do restructure , it likely moves some guaranteed $$ onto future cap years.

Lots to think about when you extend / restructure money.
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He was one of the leagues best year before last .... Now he's a whipping boy around here .... I don't see why he couldn't return to form next season if he gets healthy. Question is , even at 100% is he the same guy he was .... or do those issues compromise his ability ?? Probably a question for Doc ....
Add to that the fact that the front 7 couldnt generate a pass rush and it left the back end exposed more often than not. Not sure how bad the toe injury is, but before that the groin injury is one of those things that really hamper a skill position guy IMO. When he's right the guy is a shut down corner.
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Add to that the fact that the front 7 couldnt generate a pass rush and it left the back end exposed more often than not. Not sure how bad the toe injury is, but before that the groin injury is one of those things that really hamper a skill position guy IMO. When he's right the guy is a shut down corner.
with RAC we will play some more zone which should give Kjax and JJo an opportunity to make some plays on the ball. As you said if the front 7 get there act together this will help 10 fold on the back end
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He was one of the leagues best year before last .... Now he's a whipping boy around here .... I don't see why he couldn't return to form next season if he gets healthy. Question is , even at 100% is he the same guy he was .... or do those issues compromise his ability ?? Probably a question for Doc ....



JJo is one of those players I could see restructuring as it just doesn't make much sense to cut him this season ..... tho after this season he has no more guaranteed $$$ meaning they could part ways after this one with no cap penalties if they don't restructure. If they do restructure , it likely moves some guaranteed $$ onto future cap years.

Lots to think about when you extend / restructure money.
JJo played great his 1st year here and has been average to below average the past two. I have no problem saying I ragged him pretty good this past season. He deserved it. Pass rush or not, there were many times he was beaten and the QB had the ball out in less than 3 seconds.

Now, all that said, I'm not a proponent of cutting him at this time. I'm more than willing to see how he works out with the new staff. But, if I'm OB, I'm looking at his salary vs what I see on the field
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Is it completely out of the realm of possibility that JJo could play better next year? I feel like the guy was banged up pretty much all year.
I could see him playing better also.

The sports hernia thingy seems to have had JoJo down for about ayr and counting. This would be a better question for C-N-D.
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I'd cut OD for sure.
I would cut him and sign Graham.
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My 2 cents in red bold. I'm not saying YOU are dumb by any means when I say this dumb, because you've just offered a list of POTENTIAL cap savings FYI.
If the Texans just cut Schaub and Foster and allocated all of their dead money to 2014, they would begin the 2015 season with over $50 million in cap space.
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If the Texans just cut Schaub and Foster and allocated all of their dead money to 2014, they would begin the 2015 season with over $50 million in cap space.
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