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Old 01-18-2014   #61
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Lol. I think O'Brien would have to have a couple of Super Bowls under his belt to get that kind of power...
Agree he'll have to earn it. But if McNair wants to mirror N.E., then that's the end game. So, if true, the more success OB has the more threatened Rick Smith's powers would be... which sets up an interesting dynamic of tension within the organization.
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Agree he'll have to earn it. But if McNair wants to mirror N.E., then that's the end game. So, if true, the more success OB has the more threatened Rick Smith's powers would be... which sets up an interesting dynamic of tension within the organization.
Yes, that's my point: if O'Brien achieves massive, sustained success, sure, give him more power where he transitions into a de-facto personell guy. But, right out the gate? No.

Also, I don't think creative or organizational tension is always a bad thing. Nothing wrong with people disagreeing and hashing out things. We just had 8 years of what appeared to be, at least to outsiders, no tension at all, where everyone seemingly "agreed" on everything (or acquiesed to Kubiak). That got us nowhere.

Word out of San Francisco is that Harbaugh and the GM don't always get along, and may not be the best of buddies. You see where that's gotten them....
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Not this debate again. Ugh.

Again: Bill Belechick has multiple Super Bowls.

Repeat it to yourself: Bill Belichik has multiple Super Bowls.

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Repeat this to yourself...Belichick had his complete control and head coach agreement before he won his first Super Bowl....say it with me now....Belichick had his complete control and head coach agreement before he won his first Super Bowl.....if you want me to be Belichick then I need everything that Belichick has and if I don't get it you're setting yourself up for failure.
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Repeat this to yourself...Belichick had his complete control and head coach agreement before he won his first Super Bowl....say it with me now....Belichick had his complete control and head coach agreement before he won his first Super Bowl.....if you want me to be Belichick then I need everything that Belichick has and if I don't get it you're setting yourself up for failure.

Where exactly did that full control get us when we gave it to Kubiak?

Look, I'm not going to get into this circular debate with you. We agree to disagree. But I have a question: why are you here? You clearly hate the team, and think we are going to fail. So why do you follow this team and post on message boards?


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Where exactly did that full control get us when we gave it to Kubiak?

Look, I'm not going to get into this circular debate with you. We agree to disagree. But I have a question: why are you here? You clearly hate the team, and think we are going to fail. So why do you follow this team and post on message boards?


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BREAKING NEWS: Kubiak is not Belichick! Kubiak was PE teacher, Belichick a Economics Major.

Why am I here?: Because Texans fans don't have to act, behave and think the way you do and meet with your approval to be consider a Texans Fan. Contrary to what you believe and think Texans Fans come in all shapes and sizes. Some drink the Kool Aid and some don't.

FYI - Me personally, I am against Head Coaches also acting as GMs and having final say on the 53 man roster. My preference are teams like the Packers and Ravens with respective GMs like Ted Thompson and Ozzie Newsome. The one exception worth considering IMHO is Jimbo Fisher.
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BREAKING NEWS: Kubiak is not Belichick! Kubiak was PE teacher, Belichick a Economics Major.

Why am I here?: Because Texans fans don't have to act, behave and think the way you do and meet with your approval to be consider a Texans Fan. Contrary to what you believe and think Texans Fans come in all shapes and sizes. Some drink the Kool Aid and some don't.

FYI - Me personally, I am against Head Coaches also acting as GMs and having final say on the 53 man roster. My preference are teams like the Packers and Ravens with respective GMs like Ted Thompson and Ozzie Newsome. The one exception worth considering IMHO is Jimbo Fisher.

Of course fans don't have to all think alike. But you've been on this "we are going to fail!" kick since Kubiak was fired, and that's why I asked the question.


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Of course fans don't have to all think alike. But you've been on this "we are going to fail!" kick since Kubiak was fired, and that's why I asked the question.


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Nope I have been on the Texans are going to fail kick since 2009. Not because I want to but because that is what the math is telling me. Up until 2009 I was as hopeful and optimistic as the rest. It would be disingenuous of me to say anything different. Trust me, I want the Texans to go to the Super Bowl as much as you do but as of right now IMHO they're wasting your time and mine.
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This why I left the " main" boards, the minute you speak or share your opinion that is not pro texans everything, your considered a "troll" or you " hate" the team. But that's not the case, I believe Texian was just sharing his dislike with certain texans moves and personnel. You guys think the cowgirls boards are all cupcakes and rainbows, or is there a lot of anger posts, mainly with Ol Jerrah


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This why I left the " main" boards, the minute you speak or share your opinion that is not pro texans everything, your considered a "troll" or you " hate" the team. But that's not the case, I believe Texian was just sharing his dislike with certain texans moves and personnel. You guys think the cowgirls boards are all cupcakes and rainbows, or is there a lot of anger posts, mainly with Ol Jerrah


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Disagree. I don't think this board is like that, and I don't think I was implying that everyone has to think alike. Hell, I've been very critical of this organization for the last three years, and I wasn't thrilled about going after O'Brien at first. But, I'm at the point where I like to give credit for things that deserve credit. And this team deserves credit for cleaning house.

I was questioning Texian's logic about how if we didn't give O'Brien full control, then we would never succeed. The guy has yet to coach a single game, and he's branding him a failure already?
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Maybe it's just watching the nfl for many years, and following teams, like when a team gave a coach full control, what was the end result. When Andy Reid was here in philly, he made the obvious bone head moves, Jerome mcdougle over Polamalu... Brandon graham over earl Thomas and jpp, two moves the fans never let go of. Plus he took that team as far as HE could


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Oh, he was also notorious for trading high draft picks with division rivals


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Disagree. I don't think this board is like that, and I don't think I was implying that everyone has to think alike. Hell, I've been very critical of this organization for the last three years, and I wasn't thrilled about going after O'Brien at first. But, I'm at the point where I like to give credit for things that deserve credit. And this team deserves credit for cleaning house.

I was questioning Texian's logic about how if we didn't give O'Brien full control, then we would never succeed. The guy has yet to coach a single game, and he's branding him a failure already?
My point was coaches don't earn it, they negotiate it, up front and they always negotiate for as much control as possible. In fact it would be darn near impossible to earn it. If the coach answered to a GM and the team had considerable success, you can be sure the GM would take the credit for the players on the field and reluctant to share any of his control. Can you imagine Ted Thompson or Ozzie Newsome giving up control? I can't either, I think they think they've have earned it just as much if not more so than the coach.

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I would really like to know how much control Gary Kubiak really had? I always figured a 50/50 split with Rick Smith. He took care of football operations & Rick handled the business side. Does anyone know if this has officially changed or remain status-quo?
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I would really like to know how much control Gary Kubiak really had? I always figured a 50/50 split with Rick Smith. He took care of football operations & Rick handled the business side. Does anyone know if this has officially changed or remain status-quo?
I distinctly remember while watching a live press conference near the end of the 2010 season, John McClain specifically asked Gary if he would consider giving up some of his control to keep his job. Gary responded with a no and that final say on the 53 man roster was in his contract. That said I do believe Gary trusted Rick to do the things the way Gary wanted them done (including finances) and to do them the way they were done in Denver.

Change or Status Quo? Sometimes devil is in the details, Bill O'Brien is listed above Rick Smith in front office listings: http://www.houstontexans.com/team/front-office.html

Brian Gardner has been fired. Gardner was hired by Smith to replace the Charley Casserly scouts that Smith had fired.

Today we learn from Jason La Canfora that Rick Smith preferred Whisenhunt over O'Brien. Make of it what you will.....
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Disagree. I don't think this board is like that, and I don't think I was implying that everyone has to think alike. Hell, I've been very critical of this organization for the last three years, and I wasn't thrilled about going after O'Brien at first. But, I'm at the point where I like to give credit for things that deserve credit. And this team deserves credit for cleaning house.

I was questioning Texian's logic about how if we didn't give O'Brien full control, then we would never succeed. The guy has yet to coach a single game, and he's branding him a failure already?
But there wasn't a total housecleaning. Rick is still here. I gave up hope that Rick/Gary could win a SB after the 2010 season and questioned BoB's commitment to winning. That has not and will not change until 1. I'm proven wrong. 2. Rick Smith is fired.
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But there wasn't a total housecleaning. Rick is still here. I gave up hope that Rick/Gary could win a SB after the 2010 season and questioned BoB's commitment to winning. That has not and will not change until 1. I'm proven wrong. 2. Rick Smith is fired.
I couldn't have said it better. Great Summation! I gave up hope in 2009 after Gary hired Frank Bush without doing one interview when there were 3 Top 10 DC available at the time.
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But there wasn't a total housecleaning. Rick is still here. I gave up hope that Rick/Gary could win a SB after the 2010 season and questioned BoB's commitment to winning. That has not and will not change until 1. I'm proven wrong. 2. Rick Smith is fired.

I agree that Rick should have been held accountable. My point has been, we have to give the team credit for hiring a coach that is willing to start over. The idea that we will automatically fail because O'Brien doesn't have GM-level control is nonsense.

Also, 2010 is also when I mentally gave up on this team. Kubiak's extension was shameful.

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I agree that Rick should have been held accountable.
I don't know that Rick Smith is safe yet. Sounds like he's still throwing people under the bus; trying to save his job.

& remember, Casserly was fired after the draft. McNair didn't want to bring a new scouting/contract group before the draft. Rick may very well be a lame duck GM.
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Not this debate again. Ugh.

Again: Bill Belechick has multiple Super Bowls.

Repeat it to yourself: Bill Belichik has multiple Super Bowls.

Bill Belichick....

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Repeat this to yourself...Belichick had his complete control and head coach agreement before he won his first Super Bowl....say it with me now....Belichick had his complete control and head coach agreement before he won his first Super Bowl.....if you want me to be Belichick then I need everything that Belichick has and if I don't get it you're setting yourself up for failure.
My money says Belichick had control BEFORE he won any of his Super Bowls.

Is Belichick not a disciple of Parcells? Yes.

And think back, what was Parcells' mantra:
"If you want me to cook the meal you got to let me shop for the groceries."

I feel Belichick would not be any different.
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Whisenhunt was probably right behind Lovie on the list of guys we didn't hire but I would have been fine with (and for the record, I have no problem with O'Brien being brought in ahead of either of those guys).

What I don't understand is hearing the primary (and almost exclusive) criticism of Whisenhunt being that he couldn't win without Warner, but then - from a generic NFL coaching standpoint - seeing how many folks put forth the philosophy that you can't succeed without an above average QB. Arizona never had a QB that was even close to average after Warner retired.

We've had some debate on this site for the last few years (thankfully no longer relevant) that went beyond the QB position, regarding whether Kubiak was capable of getting a team to the Super Bowl . Simply questioning was he capable of doing it under any circumstances. Well, that's an argument that doesn't need to be conducted as it relates to Whisenhunt.
Please go ask Arizona fans what they think of Whisenhunt.. the criticism goes way beyond just not being able to find a "above average QB".

Kurt Warner playing like a HOFer is what lifted Whisenhunt, without him, he wasn't even a average coach. Success is relative and without Warner he wasn't even as successful as the "Gary Kubiak Texans" who coached with Schaub his entire tenure. Whisenhunt never even had a "Sage Rosenfels"

I said I put 3 coaches that were hired this offseason above Wisenhunt and this is the three.

Bill O'Brien
Mike Zimmerman
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Lovie Smith

O'Brien lifted a program from what should've been absolute ruins to winning seasons and his offensive system that he coached in NE is taking over the league.

Zimmerman should've had the chance years ago and has excelled every stop he's been at. Honestly I think we would've been fine with hiring either one of these coaches.. Zimmerman has been long over due and I think he's going to be a success.

Lovie Smith was a very good coach for the bears and the only time he had a average QB (for that one year anyway), his team was in the SB.. When he still didn't have one he was still able to win games with Kyle Orton. If I was going to hire a "retread HC" it would've been him... Whisenhunt wouldn't of been on my list.

And the fact that Smith wasn't even given a voice in our HC hire makes me feel his nuts have already been cut and he needs to be fired tomorrow. It reeks of him being a lame duck G.M. the same way Casserly was.. We need a G.M. who actually has a voice and power in the room and isn't just a figure head which is obviously what Smith comes off as now.
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