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Old 04-13-2014   #1
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I am always pumped for Texans choices and do many mocks, individually and with my two partners Beerlover and Rmartin 65. Has the roster & management changes, 2013 record, the depth of this draft or anything else impacted or changed your usual opinions on draft?

I long for the future day when we can draft best player each round but that may be some time. The roster & coaching changes has really ramped up my interest if that is possible.
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Love ya brother but when it comes to the draft, meh.......

I have all sorts of theories and ideologies but at the end of the day, it means nothing. OR MORE IMPORTANTLY what it is that I think would improve this team, means nothing...

Whether or not the Texans draft who I want the bottom line is that I'll be at all 10 games this season.
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Love ya brother but when it comes to the draft, meh.......

I have all sorts of theories and ideologies but at the end of the day, it means nothing. OR MORE IMPORTANTLY what it is that I think would improve this team, means nothing...

Whether or not the Texans draft who I want the bottom line is that I'll be at all 10 games this season.
your theories & ideologies could be important Bill. Your comments can make me think & change opinions or lead to more research. I wished you would put more here about your thoughts on team draft.
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Love ya brother but when it comes to the draft, meh.......

I have all sorts of theories and ideologies but at the end of the day, it means nothing. OR MORE IMPORTANTLY what it is that I think would improve this team, means nothing...

Whether or not the Texans draft who I want the bottom line is that I'll be at all 10 games this season.
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But you must have some favorites that you would like to see drafted and it's frustrating to see the Texans org pass on them and see them turn into successful players on other teams. (See: A.Jeffery/J.Houston)
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Lots of moving parts to draft day and lots of changes in the off season already. To me this draft has lots of intrigue because you had ideas last year, but it's really all over the place and a deep draft.

Biggest question of course is what does this staff do long term at qb? Bridgewater has a high floor, but you wonder about the ceiling. I have him somewhere between Matt Ryan and Russell Wilson.

Bortles has the size you want and possibly highest ceiling. Maybe a more athletic Big Ben.

Manziel is a gamble. Guy can be lightening in a bottle, but can it translate to the NFL?

Quite a pack lurking behind, questions about are the so called top there that much better?
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I'm always interested in the draft, because I know it's a pretty big building block towards the success/failure of this team. But I can't follow college football. By nature, when I get into something, I get all in & college football... there's just way too much.


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I long for the future day when we can draft best player each round but that may be some time. The roster & coaching changes has really ramped up my interest if that is possible.
I don't know what to think. The Patriots have got their way of approaching the draft that leaves a lot of people scratching their heads. Guys fit their program & guys don't fit their program & sometimes those guys... like I said, are real head scratchers.
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I am always pumped for Texans choices and do many mocks, individually and with my two partners Beerlover and Rmartin 65. Has the roster & management changes, 2013 record, the depth of this draft or anything else impacted or changed your usual opinions on draft?

I long for the future day when we can draft best player each round but that may be some time. The roster & coaching changes has really ramped up my interest if that is possible.
I'm extremely interested in the 2014 draft, just like every other year. I'm a big proponent of BPA, but not na´ve enough to think that actually happens, except rarely.

I think the roster changes are exacerbated by the new labor agreement. The coaches can't spend enough time actually learning the current players to know the positions that actually need to improve. I see this as a flaw in the current labor agreement and it needs to be addressed. Especially with new HC's.
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I'm always interested in the draft, because I know it's a pretty big building block towards the success/failure of this team. But I can't follow college football. By nature, when I get into something, I get all in & college football... there's just way too much.




I don't know what to think. The Patriots have got their way of approaching the draft that leaves a lot of people scratching their heads. Guys fit their program & guys don't fit their program & sometimes those guys... like I said, are real head scratchers.
The Patriots have as many misses as hits under BB. He's no more of a guru than anyone else. So much of drafting a player is gut instinct.
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I could easily be wrong but I don't remember as much discrepancy in evaluation of top 10-12 players as this year. Players always move around and 2-3 really drop surprisingly and of course there is often one guy taken way above where most predicted (Dallas last year and Oakland in past).
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I could easily be wrong but I don't remember as much discrepancy in evaluation of top 10-12 players as this year. Players always move around and 2-3 really drop surprisingly and of course there is often one guy taken way above where most predicted (Dallas last year and Oakland in past).
This is also a very deep draft, as far as talent goes. Probably as deep as we've ever seen. Any number of players could be taken at any number of draft spots, depending on how a particular team views a particular player.
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Lots of moving parts to draft day and lots of changes in the off season already. To me this draft has lots of intrigue because you had ideas last year, but it's really all over the place and a deep draft.

Biggest question of course is what does this staff do long term at qb? Bridgewater has a high floor, but you wonder about the ceiling. I have him somewhere between Matt Ryan and Russell Wilson.

Bortles has the size you want and possibly highest ceiling. Maybe a more athletic Big Ben.

Manziel is a gamble. Guy can be lightening in a bottle, but can it translate to the NFL?

Quite a pack lurking behind, questions about are the so called top there that much better?
Bridgewater's upside = Matt Schaub/ Downside = Christian Ponder

Bortles upside = Roethlisberger/Rivers/ Downside = Sanchez

Maziel upside = Steve Young/Theismann Downside = Bubby Brister/Alex Smith
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The Patriots have as many misses as hits under BB. He's no more of a guru than anyone else. So much of drafting a player is gut instinct.
I think they have more misses than "normal" & I think it's because of the way they go about setting up their board. "We" like to believe that there's somewhat of a consensus as to player rankings. Right now, our "good boy" policy drives people up the wall.

Well I don't think anyone knows what it takes to qualify for the Patriots list.
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Bridgewater's upside = Matt Schaub/ Downside = Christian Ponder

Bortles upside = Roethlisberger/Rivers/ Downside = Sanchez

Maziel upside = Steve Young/Theismann Downside = Bubby Brister/Alex Smith
You're awful optimistic about Manziel. His downside is much, much greater than Brister/Smith. Think JaMarcus Russel/Akili Smithy/Ryan Leaf.

Upside would be Young/Tarkington

Except smaller and possibly more fragile.

The interesting part for me ( and it would be much better if it was another team) is how much stock do you put in upside/downside.
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This is also a very deep draft, as far as talent goes. Probably as deep as we've ever seen. Any number of players could be taken at any number of draft spots, depending on how a particular team views a particular player.
Agreed. I can happily find good players deep into 6th round. A trade down or two in first and the possibility of other trades in other rounds looks very good. We should be able to resolve key needs and also depth with our 11 selections
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Having the 1.1 is the least interesting draft position for me. Basically, the Texans are going to be forced into taking a guy that they don't really want because the single worse place to trade down from in the entire draft is pick 1.1 in a year with no clear overall number 1 pick.

We have been talking the same tired handful of players since around Halloween. My interest starts at pick 2.1 ( unless the less than 10% chance of a trade down happens). in short, the Texans can't declare (or make silly obvious) who the number 1 pick is and bleeping move on.
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Wait, someone used Theisman as a positive example of an upside?

Damn, thought I'd have lived a little longer before having heard everything.
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We have been talking the same tired handful of players since around Halloween. My interest starts at pick 2.1 ( unless the less than 10% chance of a trade down happens). in short, the Texans can't declare (or make silly obvious) who the number 1 pick is and bleeping move on.
I believe our chances of trading the #1 pick would go up if St. Louis wasn't so tight lipped. We need the media to start generating some buzz so other teams can start thinking about leap frogging them.
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You're awful optimistic about Manziel. His downside is much, much greater than Brister/Smith. Think JaMarcus Russel/Akili Smithy/Ryan Leaf.

Upside would be Young/Tarkington

Except smaller and possibly more fragile.

The interesting part for me ( and it would be much better if it was another team) is how much stock do you put in upside/downside.
In considering upside/downside one must also consider percentage of each happening. For example, IMO there is less chance of JM busting so while there could be downside it is less risky for me. That is why I finally came around to him.
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In considering upside/downside one must also consider percentage of each happening. For example, IMO there is less chance of JM busting so while there could be downside it is less risky for me. That is why I finally came around to him.
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