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Old 04-14-2014   #1
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There is an article on NFL.com that says Clowney visited the Lions. The article is titled Jadeveon Clowney to visit with Detroit Lions. Can't do a link from phone will add later.

Anyway they suggest a pre draft trade of Suh. My question is if the Lions offered Suh and #10 for 1.1. Would you do it?
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Default Re: Trade with Lions?????

As much as I despise Suh's play leading to penalties and injuries, I would think seriously about that trade.
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He's due for a pay day. Don't think it's in the cards with JJ's deal coming up.
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He's due for a pay day. Don't think it's in the cards with JJ's deal coming up.
Yeh hadn't thought of that.
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Default Re: Trade with Lions?????

Doesn't Suh have a cap hit of like $20 million this year? No way we can fit that into the cap.
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There is an article on NFL.com that says Clowney visited the Lions. The article is titled Jadeveon Clowney to visit with Detroit Lions. Can't do a link from phone will add later.

Anyway they suggest a pre draft trade of Suh. My question is if the Lions offered Suh and #10 for 1.1. Would you do it?
Suh + their #10? Nope, not enough. If the speculation about us getting 2 or 3 picks this year AND 1 or 2 picks in next year's draft are indeed probable, then that's the way I would trade.

Edit: Just read the other posts about Suh being due a new contract very soon. That just reinforces my "No vote".
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Default Re: Trade with Lions?????

I'm not opposed to trading down with the Lions but want no part of Suh in that trade.
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I'm not opposed to trading down with the Lions but want no part of Suh in that trade.
That would be an expensive move for Detroit. I feel like we still could get a really good player at 10 so I would do it to.



Jake Matthews OT Texas A&M
Anthony Barr LB UCLA
Taylor Lewan OT Michigan
Mike Evans WR Texas A&M
Eric Ebron TE North Carolina
Justin Gilbert CB Oklahoma State
Aaron Donald DT Pittsburgh
Darqueze Dennard CB Michigan State

That list minus a couple of guys is what you would be choosing from. Possibly 1 or more of the big three QB's Could still be available. There's not anyone on that list that wouldn't play significant minutes.
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Default Re: Trade with Lions?????

You'd have to know Suh was onboard and willing to extend/restructure his contract. If he's a 1 year rental it's not a consideration. And what's left at #10? If you dont have a primo target that you love, well maybe you pass. One of the goals here should be to restock the pantry with a lot of quality young talent. Suh would be a massive cap hit. I'd favor 3 or 4 additional picks over Suh I think.

And finally, is Suh a Bob McNair kinda guy? I think we know.
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Default Re: Trade with Lions?????

if any trade eventuates it will be after the 3QB and clowney come to town this week. doing their last due diligence on the players.

but to answer the OP, i hate suh but his a beast and he would help this defence tremendously however that expiring contract what makes this a fairly strong no for me.

I agree with kiwi that if we did trade with the lions i dont want suh. would take a lot on their part to move up though
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Default Re: Trade with Lions?????

I would love to have Suh on the team, but the cap figures make it basically impossible. None of the players in this draft are anywhere near his talent level, but they will be a fifth of his cap level and not come with the baggage.

The Jags seem a more likely trade partner with their cap space. If the Texans take a QB and the Rams get an OT, that's the most likely tradeup point for Clowney.
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Default Re: Trade with Lions?????

This makes no sense on several levels, A/Can't afford him... B/last year of his contract... C/A new long term contract for Suh makes it near impossible to re-sign Watt... D/Not sure McNair wants that attitude in the locker room
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Doesn't Suh have a cap hit of like $20 million this year? No way we can fit that into the cap.
$22 mil and the last year of his contract voids after the SB this season.

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This makes no sense on several levels, A/Can't afford him... B/last year of his contract... C/A new long term contract for Suh makes it near impossible to re-sign Watt... D/Not sure McNair wants that attitude in the locker room
Square in the ain't going to happen bin.

But I'd kinda like for something more firm to come out that they were even considering it because it sure would put to rest the McNair will only tolerate squeaky clean players meme.
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We could trade our 1.1 to Detroit for their 1.10 and Reggie Bush. We could finally take Reggie Bush with the 1st overall pick and make up for 2006.

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Default Re: Trade with Lions?????

As much as I'd like to see Jj Watt & Jd Clowney on the same team, I can't imagine there would be more than one team out there that would want to see Ndamaka Suh & JaDaveon Clowney on the same team.

If I'm the Lions, I'd love to have Clowney, but no way I'd want to give up Suh for him. That's like... swimming upstream, a lot of work to get nothing done.
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Square in the ain't going to happen bin.

But I'd kinda like for something more firm to come out that they were even considering it because it sure would put to rest the McNair will only tolerate squeaky clean players meme.
No way this happens with the $$$$ that will be spent on Watt. When does the bank of AJ contract run out?

Fat chance that happens with McNair, unless BOB can talk him into change his philosophies. (Not gonna happen.)
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I'm not opposed to trading down with the Lions but want no part of Suh in that trade.
Yeah... now if the Lions wanna offer up MegaTron... I'm listening.

(probably can't afford him either...)
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What if Suh not part of a trade but 1.10 and other picks?
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What if Suh not part of a trade but 1.10 and other picks?
10 is quite the leap. Pretty astronomical if you consider a couple prospects to be blue chippers.
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What if Suh not part of a trade but 1.10 and other picks?
Next year's first & second would have to be included (along with other picks from this year), or next year's first & 2016's
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