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I believe in Case Keenum, not saying he'll ever be a great starter but I think he's adequate/good for a backup. Evaluating Keenum under the circumstances of last season is truly unfair. He became the starter under terrible conditions with very little/no prep time, an antiquated offensive system that the league figured out years ago, a head coach that was to stubborn or blind to change his system, a team that had quit on the coach, an O-line that was terrible, and a running game that was almost non-existent due to injury. No QB in the league would succeed under those circumstances. Hell even AJ was dropping balls that hit him in the hands.
Why is there always excuses being made? There's always something about the o-line or the d-line or the receivers or the tight ends or the blah blah dee blah. Brady came into his first game in the fourth quarter of his second season and never looked back. Good Qbs get the job done with what they have. Keenum couldn't get it done. With all those records in college you would think he could though. He's Kubiak's guy and I don't think O'Brien is going to have space for Kubiak's guys.

Great college QB, but I don't think being a starter in the pros is in his future.

Maybe I've become old and cynical, but I don't get the idea of clinging to a player just because they went to a certain school, or they're local, or they just need one more year. I like certain players, but in this day and age I have loyalty to what's best for the team, not an individual.
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Word is Texans will draft QB Blake Bortles at 1.1. I think I like the idea.
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Bortles? DO NOT WANT.

Give me Clowney. Bortles is definitely a second round QB.
I've watched that guy for a couple of years now-- both
in CUSA and in the AAC. Definitely not worth #1 overall..

I would take Manziel over that guy in a heartbeat. (and
I'm not sure Johnny will be a good pro..)
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Why is there always excuses being made? There's always something about the o-line or the d-line or the receivers or the tight ends or the blah blah dee blah. Brady came into his first game in the fourth quarter of his second season and never looked back. Good Qbs get the job done with what they have. Keenum couldn't get it done. With all those records in college you would think he could though. He's Kubiak's guy and I don't think O'Brien is going to have space for Kubiak's guys.

Great college QB, but I don't think being a starter in the pros is in his future.

Maybe I've become old and cynical, but I don't get the idea of clinging to a player just because they went to a certain school, or they're local, or they just need one more year. I like certain players, but in this day and age I have loyalty to what's best for the team, not an individual.
Good HC's get the job done with what they have...a good QB is worthless if the HC and his philosophy are ****.
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Good HC's get the job done with what they have...a good QB is worthless if the HC and his philosophy are ****.
So you think the blame with the coach? That Keenum can't pick up a blitz because of the coach?
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I would like to see what he can do with foster and OD in the line up, and a compitent staff who will let the boy play his style of football instead of trying to turn him into Schaub 2.0. And people can say what they want but before the coaching staff got in his head about staying in the pocket, he was leaving the pocket and making things happen down field. Defenses can adjust all they want but that isnt the reason he began struggling.

Yes i still have faith keenum could be an above average QB. If not here he will do it some where.
Agreed. I think focus will be on new QB and Case will have to learn as he goes. 2014 last contract year. Odds against him but when have they not been?
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So you think the blame with the coach? That Keenum can't pick up a blitz because of the coach?
If he wasn't properly coached to pick up a blitz, then yes. Was Kubiak calling plays that we're designed to beat the blitz knowing that it was coming on every play? Given that we're talking about a HC, who didn't allow even Schaub to make adjustments on the line, it's not far fetched to assume that Keenum wasn't given that option either, meaning no blocking audibles.

HCs are very important to the development of players, it's not making excuses to say that a bad HC may have sabotaged the beginning of a young career with his incompetence.
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If he wasn't properly coached to pick up a blitz, then yes. Was Kubiak calling plays that we're designed to beat the blitz knowing that it was coming on every play? Given that we're talking about a HC, who didn't allow even Schaub to make adjustments on the line, it's not far fetched to assume that Keenum wasn't given that option either, meaning no blocking audibles.

HCs are very important to the development of players, it's not making excuses to say that a bad HC may have sabotaged the beginning of a young career with his incompetence.
In his six years in college, did he ever see a blitz? Did he ever read a defense? Schaub sure did put up numbers in this offense.

When he was given a chance it was a great move. When he was benched because he was struggling it was a horrible move. But now it's the coaches fault for ruining his career?
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In his six years in college, did he ever see a blitz? Did he ever read a defense? Schaub sure did put up numbers in this offense.

When he was given a chance it was a great move. When he was benched because he was struggling it was a horrible move. But now it's the coaches fault for ruining his career?
No QB can operate in a 2 second window. Our Oline play was atrocious this year and it's no coincidence that Schaub stopped putting up those big numbers after the great olines we used to have were gone.

I don't buy that benching Schaub and starting Keenum was entirely, if at all, Kubiak's decision. Kubiak was fired after he benched Keenum for the second time and McNair made it clear that Keenum was the starter moving forward. I highly doubt that a lame duck Kubiak was putting in a full shift for a QB he probably didn't want starting in the first place.
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No QB can operate in a 2 second window. Our Oline play was atrocious this year and it's no coincidence that Schaub stopped putting up those big numbers after the great olines we used to have were gone.

I don't buy that benching Schaub and starting Keenum was entirely, if at all, Kubiak's decision. Kubiak was fired after he benched Keenum for the second time and McNair made it clear that Keenum was the starter moving forward. I highly doubt that a lame duck Kubiak was putting in a full shift for a QB he probably didn't want starting in the first place.
Remember when we had our first QB how terrible the OL was? How he would scramble himself into sacks and bad plays? The record setting OL we had? What happened the year after he left? We got a QB that played behind the same line, made reads, and got rid of the ball. All in the same offense. When your QB is doing ridiculous things it doesn't help the OL at all.

Again, I see lots of excuses, "Kubiak probably". At what point do you start looking at the QB as the problem? Hell even as PART of the problem.
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Remember when we had our first QB how terrible the OL was? How he would scramble himself into sacks and bad plays? The record setting OL we had? What happened the year after he left? We got a QB that played behind the same line, made reads, and got rid of the ball. All in the same offense. When your QB is doing ridiculous things it doesn't help the OL at all.

Again, I see lots of excuses, "Kubiak probably". At what point do you start looking at the QB as the problem? Hell even as PART of the problem.
when the QB gets a full season with a healthy starting RB & Oline. No one thinks TB or Bortles would do great with same line.
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Again, I see lots of excuses, "Kubiak probably". At what point do you start looking at the QB as the problem? Hell even as PART of the problem.
It just comes across as if Keenum is the savior of this franchise and that his problems this year are not of his own making. I mean, he's the all time leading such and such for the NCAA, it can't be his fault.
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It just comes across as if Keenum is the savior of this franchise and that his problems this year are not of his own making. I mean, he's the all time leading such and such for the NCAA, it can't be his fault.
Most Keenum fans recognize his shortcomings but want same other QBs get. Usually, QBs are given two seasons (yeah, yeah RG3, Luck blah blah blah) most get two. Case has had 1/2 a season behind an injured left and right tackle. Brooks was in first year as a starter. Wade Smith..whahaha.

Just be fair in evaluation.
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Most Keenum fans recognize his shortcomings but want same other QBs get. Usually, QBs are given two seasons (yeah, yeah RG3, Luck blah blah blah) most get two. Case has had 1/2 a season behind an injured left and right tackle. Brooks was in first year as a starter. Wade Smith..whahaha.

Just be fair in evaluation.
I just don't believe that he has shown enough to not hunt for a new QB. I wanted him to come in and tear it up more than anything. I'm not hating on the kid, he's done great things, I just was hoping for more.
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Remember when we had our first QB how terrible the OL was? How he would scramble himself into sacks and bad plays? The record setting OL we had? What happened the year after he left? We got a QB that played behind the same line, made reads, and got rid of the ball. All in the same offense. When your QB is doing ridiculous things it doesn't help the OL at all.

Again, I see lots of excuses, "Kubiak probably". At what point do you start looking at the QB as the problem? Hell even as PART of the problem.
Fair points, and it speaks to the importance of a good HC in a QB's development. Carr was never properly developed early on and was too broken to fix by the time Kubiak got here. Carr was also a lazy student, which doesn't appear to a problem with Keenum.

Of course QB was part of the problem, but the bottom line is that I'm not going to call Keenum a failure after his first season as a starter, in which he took over the lead role on a cartoonishly bad football team and performed 'okay', even showing flashes of goodness despite the ineptitude of his HC. At what point is a team's struggles out of the QB's control?
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I just don't believe that he has shown enough to not hunt for a new QB. I wanted him to come in and tear it up more than anything. I'm not hating on the kid, he's done great things, I just was hoping for more.
Schuab and Yates gone so of course Qb or 2 needed. I just want to see Newton healthy and Keenum with a full roster & Wade Smith gone.
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I wonder if Raiders fans say the same thing about Matt McGloin. Never seen such stubborness for a third string QB. Basically he needs the perfect coach, perfect OL, perfect scenario to succeed and he wasn't given a fair shot. Well if we had that perfect team he would still be on the inactive list and Schaub would be in the playoffs right now behind that perfect offense.
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Remember when we had our first QB how terrible the OL was? How he would scramble himself into sacks and bad plays? The record setting OL we had? What happened the year after he left? We got a QB that played behind the same line, made reads, and got rid of the ball. All in the same offense. When your QB is doing ridiculous things it doesn't help the OL at all.

Again, I see lots of excuses, "Kubiak probably". At what point do you start looking at the QB as the problem? Hell even as PART of the problem.
Spot on.

Same OL
43 sacks to 22
28th to 12th total offense.
27th passing to 11th.
21st rushing to 22nd

Oh and AJ to half a season of AJ

The QB makes a ton of difference. This season was sadly entertaining in this regard. The same OL went from doing an OK job, it's on Schaub, to Keenum doesn't have a chance behind them. The QB made a ton of difference all right - the rationalization flipped completely.
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This season was sadly entertaining in this regard. The same OL went from doing an OK job, it's on Schaub, to Keenum doesn't have a chance behind them. The QB made a ton of difference all right - the rationalization flipped completely.
The one I liked best, was, "They didn't blitz Schaub as much."

Well duh... there's a reason for that.
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It just comes across as if Keenum is the savior of this franchise and that his problems this year are not of his own making. I mean, he's the all time leading such and such for the NCAA, it can't be his fault.
I haven't seen anyone implicate that Keenum is "the savior of the franchise". I'm simply saying that he hasn't had a real evaluation because of the lack of coaching, running game, injuries to the O-line, and a team that completely quit midseason. He's good enough to be on the roster in training camp next season and I think he makes the roster as depth at QB.
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