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Old 01-03-2014   #21
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This is insane. I heard this first grader down the street has an absolute CANNON for an arm. I am holding off on drafting a QB until he is eligible. Unless his younger brother looks better. Kid is only 1 week old, but nobody lays in a crib like this kid. Future HOF GOAT AINEC.
Haha, Martin who wanted old man Weeden!
That's what instant gratification gives you my friend.
(For those who don't know, I like Martin as part of the three amigos in the draft section for quite a long time now .)
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A bird in hand is worth 2 in the bush. Take Teddy B. now and hope we have our 10 year stud QB.
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This trenches vs. QB stuff is really starting to get ridiculous.

I get it, some of you don't like the QB's this year and that's fine. But trenches don't win championships in the NFL. QB's do. We can't just sit around building up the "trenches" forever waiting for "that QB" to come along before we pull the trigger. Do you want to be the Cleveland Browns? They have one of the best OL and front-seven's in the league. How's that working out?
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This trenches vs. QB stuff is really starting to get ridiculous.

I get it, some of you don't like the QB's this year and that's fine. But trenches don't win championships in the NFL. QB's do. We can't just sit around building up the "trenches" forever waiting for "that QB" to come along before we pull the trigger. Do you want to be the Cleveland Browns? They have one of the best OL and front-seven's in the league. How's that working out?
Ask Matt Ryan or Eli Manning.
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Haha, Martin who wanted old man Weeden!
That's what instant gratification gives you my friend.
(For those who don't know, I like Martin as part of the three amigos in the draft section for quite a long time now .)
When did I say I wanted Weedon? That does not ring a bell. Seriously, if you have a link I would appreciate it. I will be doing some searches myself.

Honestly, I don't think you can pass on a good QB just because a guy later might be better. It is the shiny new toy syndrome- every future class looks better than the current one.

I have to watch more film on Bridgewater. I have not scouted much this year, and while I like what I have read about him, I am not completely sold yet.
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Ask Matt Ryan.
The same Matt Ryan who went to the NFC Championship game last year? Their offense was decimated by injuries this year and they lost their best DL in FA and their other best to injury.

That team was awful when he got there. They went QB first and then built the roster around him. The problem is they did not do an adequate job building up the trenches after they found their QB (1 OL and 1 DL drafted in the first 2 rounds since they drafted Ryan).

However, before this year when it all fell apart, they went 56-24 the previous 5 years. I'm sure Ryan had a lot more to do with that than Sam Baker.
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Ask Matt Ryan or Eli Manning.
LOL both of those guys were drafted top 3. Both teams drafted their QB and then built up the roster around them. You are not helping your case here at all.
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The same Matt Ryan who went to the NFC Championship game last year? Their offense was decimated by injuries this year and they lost their best DL in FA and their other best to injury.

That team was awful when he got there. They went QB first and then built the roster around him. The problem is they did not do an adequate job building up the trenches after they found their QB (1 OL and 1 DL drafted in the first 2 rounds since they drafted Ryan).

However, before this year when it all fell apart, they went 56-24 the previous 5 years. I'm sure Ryan had a lot more to do with that than Sam Baker.
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LOL both of those guys were drafted top 3. Both teams drafted their QB and then built up the roster around them. You are not helping your case here at all.
and both are bottom 10 teams because of .......their trenches
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The same Matt Ryan who went to the NFC Championship game last year? Their offense was decimated by injuries this year and they lost their best DL in FA and their other best to injury.

That team was awful when he got there. They went QB first and then built the roster around him. The problem is they did not do an adequate job building up the trenches after they found their QB (1 OL and 1 DL drafted in the first 2 rounds since they drafted Ryan).

However, before this year when it all fell apart, they went 56-24 the previous 5 years. I'm sure Ryan had a lot more to do with that than Sam Baker.
What's more is that Ryan was viewed kinda in the same way as Bridgewater is now when he was coming out...people were unsure about his arm strength and wondered if he was worth the #1 pick at the time....
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What's more is that Ryan was viewed kinda in the same way as Bridgewater is now when he was coming out...people were unsure about his arm strength and wondered if he was worth the #1 pick at the time....
I've seen people compare him to Ryan and Rodgers. Neither guy wowed you with his physical skill set, but their mental acumen for the game put them at another level.
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Yeah but if we can get that kid we will have an elite QB for probably like 12 years.
This cannot be understated. Scouting now a day is done to the utmost (if you're a smart franchise.)

As a franchise, you're limited by the cap.
The smart franchise looks elsewhere to spend the money.
Leave no we stone unturned.
Cultivate your rapport with these possible prospects.

Be ahead of the trend
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To the question in the OP:


If you think there is a franchise QB in the draft, take him at 1-1.
If you think there is no franchise QB, attempt to trade down.
If you can't trade down, take BPA. I don't have a clear cut BPA at this point.

Between Clowney and Mathews:
Clowney: highest ceiling, lowest floor
Mathews: lowest ceiling, highest floor (I think)

I guess it depends on if you want to swing as hard as you can for the fence, or shorten up your swing and try to hit a line drive for a base hit.

F-it, I'd probably swing for the fence.
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What's more is that Ryan was viewed kinda in the same way as Bridgewater is now when he was coming out...people were unsure about his arm strength and wondered if he was worth the #1 pick at the time....
MY knock on Ryan was he threw a lot of INTs. I think his TD to INT ratio was than 2 to 1.
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This cannot be understated. Scouting now a day is done to the utmost (if you're a smart franchise.)

As a franchise, you're limited by the cap.
The smart franchise looks elsewhere to spend the money.
Leave no we stone unturned.
Cultivate your rapport with these possible prospects.

Be ahead of the trend
But that is no use, if you can`t get the QB you want. We probably won`t get a top 5 pick in the next 3 years if we don`t trade away major pieces to go in full rebuild mode. Other teams scout as well, and if there is a QB we like, chances are other teams do so as well. If there is another Luck, it will be basically impossible to get him. That is why looking for your QB in the future is so risky - not only can they turn out as a bust, you also only have a very slim chance to grab them.

Of course the Texans shouldn`t draft Bridgewater, Manziel or Bortles if they don`t think they could turn into franchise QBs - but if they do, they shouldn`t look elsewhere just because they like one of next years QBs better.
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If you think there is a franchise QB in the draft, take him at 1-1.
If you think there is no franchise QB, attempt to trade down.
If you can't trade down, take BPA. I don't have a clear cut BPA at this point.

Between Clowney and Mathews:
Clowney: highest ceiling, lowest floor
Mathews: lowest ceiling, highest floor (I think)

I guess it depends on if you want to swing as hard as you can for the fence, or shorten up your swing and try to hit a line drive for a base hit.

F-it, I'd probably swing for the fence.
I'm in that mode too.

I'm happy to go big or go home in this draft, take a few punts on potential and talent.

Can't make things any worse right?
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The Niners and the broncos were building their trenches (by that I mean both sides of the ball) before Manning and Kaepernick.
The Bronco's have a pathetic OL .... Riddled with injury. Manning just makes them appear serviceable because of how quickly he gets the ball out of his hands.


A better comparison might be Carolina taking two DL early in last years draft giving them a dominant defense while Cam Newton is playing at a level similar to last year but getting most of the credit for the W's generated by that defense.
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This trenches vs. QB stuff is really starting to get ridiculous.

I get it, some of you don't like the QB's this year and that's fine. But trenches don't win championships in the NFL. QB's do. We can't just sit around building up the "trenches" forever waiting for "that QB" to come along before we pull the trigger. Do you want to be the Cleveland Browns? They have one of the best OL and front-seven's in the league. How's that working out?
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The Bronco's have a pathetic OL .... Riddled with injury. Manning just makes them appear serviceable because of how quickly he gets the ball out of his hands.


A better comparison might be Carolina taking two DL early in last years draft giving them a dominant defense while Cam Newton is playing at a level similar to last year but getting most of the credit for the W's generated by that defense.
But then all one would have to do is point out that Cam Newton was a #1 overall pick, proving you can't win with complete garbage at QB and that every team in the playoffs is there with a QB taken high in the draft (besides NE of course.)
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But then all one would have to do is point out that Cam Newton was a #1 overall pick, proving you can't win with complete garbage at QB and that every team in the playoffs is there with a QB taken high in the draft (besides NE of course.)
But .... Newton has been garbage at QB , not Matt Schaub / Case Keenum garbage but garbage none the less , at least when compared to the rest of the playoff QB's.
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