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Old 01-02-2014   #21
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Since I am not really familiar with O`Brien - what are O`Brien kind of players? The players I see listed here are basically our best players...
That's them. OB likes good players and doesn't like not-good players.
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Since I am not really familiar with O`Brien - what are O`Brien kind of players? The players I see listed here are basically our best players - those are every coaches kind of players. But what does he look for? Fast players that aren`t too big like NE, strong as a bull linemen, smart players that can adjust the playcalling on the field, athletic freaks that can be taught to play football?

Honest question, what are Bill O`Brien type players? Will he use zone blocking schemes? 3-4 defense? Creative coverages? Only tall TEs? Will he use a FB in the passing game? 5 WR sets? Wildcat? Blitz a lot or let the front handle the pass rush?
I'm certainly not qualified to answer for BO'B but I'd be very surprised to see him fill out the roster without a play maker in the slot. Can it be Kmart? He seemed to be coming along steadily. Posey? Bonner?

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I think that Whatt kid may hang around.
Jury's still out on him IMO.
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joking aside, I am anxious to know how our defense lines up 2014
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I'm certainly not qualified to answer for BO'B but I'd be very surprised to see him fill out the roster without a play maker in the slot. Can it be Kmart? He seemed to be coming along steadily. Posey? Bonner?

No quotes or links, just my hunch.
Agreed

Can Posey be that guy?
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I think he'll see some nice things he can do with Dennis Johnson. He likes versatile backs and Johnson has some value there.
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Can Posey be that guy?
I see 2014 as a make it year for Posey, Jean and Martin. I hope O'Brien is already reviewing film.
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I see 2014 as a make it year for Posey, Jean and Martin. I hope O'Brien is already reviewing film.
i really like posey, hopefully BOB does as well and he has an expanded role next year with a clean pre-season
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I wonder if Bonner can use that quickness in the slot.

O'Brien was there for the start of the Welker years
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Since I am not really familiar with O`Brien - what are O`Brien kind of players? The players I see listed here are basically our best players - those are every coaches kind of players. But what does he look for? Fast players that aren`t too big like NE, strong as a bull linemen, smart players that can adjust the playcalling on the field, athletic freaks that can be taught to play football?

Honest question, what are Bill O`Brien type players? Will he use zone blocking schemes? 3-4 defense? Creative coverages? Only tall TEs? Will he use a FB in the passing game? 5 WR sets? Wildcat? Blitz a lot or let the front handle the pass rush?
BO'B is a Belichick Earhardt-Perkins disciple. Therefore the WCO and the ZBS are out. Most of the Texans OL were drafted because they were more suited (more athletic vs bigger, stronger) for the ZBS.

Foster flourished because of the ZBS. Some RBs are more suited to one kind of system vs another.

BO'B ran 4-3 defense at Penn St. If that's his choice for the Texans they are DL light and LB heavy. Might be time for Ninja to leave. Ninja was average inside in the 4-3, he didn't shine until Wade arrived with his 3-4. Ninja's success in Arizona was in a 3-4. JJ Watt was a DT in Wisconsin's 4-3 and wasn't nearly as effective as he is in Wade's 3-4.
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BO'B is a Belichick Earhardt-Perkins disciple. Therefore the WCO and the ZBS are out. Most of the Texans OL were drafted because they were more suited (more athletic vs bigger, stronger) for the ZBS.
FWIW, I heard two different people on the radio yesterday (McClain and Zierlein, IIRC) say that O'Brien primarily ran/runs ZBS.
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FWIW, I heard two different people on the radio yesterday (McClain and Zierlein, IIRC) say that O'Brien primarily ran/runs ZBS.
This is correct, NE & NE w/OB run zone/stretch blocking primarily.
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FWIW, I heard two different people on the radio yesterday (McClain and Zierlein, IIRC) say that O'Brien primarily ran/runs ZBS.
Maybe so but the Belichick Patriots model is the Power run game or smash mouth football.
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I need to wait and see but I'm expecting BOB to be a non-system type of coach like Chip Kelly. A guy who has his concepts and his approach to the game but a guy who tailors his offense/defense to match up with the players he has available.

I think he'll be able to figure out a way to incorporate a lot of our current players. I think that's part of why he was hired -- the other Bob isn't expecting to have to make wholesale lineup changes.
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I need to wait and see but I'm expecting BOB to be a non-system type of coach like Chip Kelly. A guy who has his concepts and his approach to the game but a guy who tailors his offense/defense to match up with the players he has available.

I think he'll be able to figure out a way to incorporate a lot of our current players. I think that's part of why he was hired -- the other Bob isn't expecting to have to make wholesale lineup changes.
And I hope there are a few that don't get incorporated.
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Maybe so but the Belichick Patriots model is the Power run game or smash mouth football.
Enter Andre Williams RB from BC.
Bigger back who excels in running to the outside. plays like a small back but can still run up the middle
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In his presser, here are the characteristics that B'OB said were most important to him:
1) Intelligence
2) Physical
3) Fast
4) Team player. This was by far his most important characteristic.

He went on and on about players that are accountable, that play hard, that practice hard, that do not care about stats, have a passion for football, and put the team first.
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Maybe so but the Belichick Patriots model is the Power run game or smash mouth football.
That still has nothing to do with how the oline blocks......
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