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Old 06-11-2014   #1461
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I don't care who wins the job either , as long as they win it ....


I don't have a horse in this race , I'm just pointing out that the QB play last year was bad , sure Case had decent games / halves and maybe should have won a few , he didn't have much to work with having street FA's line up at RB with him late in the season .... but that doesn't change the fact that the QB play was lacking.
Its a legit excuse (the lack of talent around him) but an excuse none the less and definitely doesn't excuse the biggest flaws Keenum showed last season in recognition of pressure & pre-snap reads. That's on Keenum.

What we fail to realize with the stats 76 gives is how many times the offense put the defense in bad situations ..... how many times they failed to sustain drives sending them back out on the field.
And sometimes the defense couldn't hold the opposing offense when Lechler pinned them inside the 10. The whole team sucked last year.
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I don't care who wins the job either , as long as they win it ....


I don't have a horse in this race , I'm just pointing out that the QB play last year was bad , sure Case had decent games / halves and maybe should have won a few , he didn't have much to work with having street FA's line up at RB with him late in the season .... but that doesn't change the fact that the QB play was lacking.
Its a legit excuse (the lack of talent around him) but an excuse none the less and definitely doesn't excuse the biggest flaws Keenum showed last season in recognition of pressure & pre-snap reads. That's on Keenum.

What we fail to realize with the stats 76 gives is how many times the offense put the defense in bad situations ..... how many times they failed to sustain drives sending them back out on the field.
I kind of agree with both sides of this argument. The play selection, and lack of options will be clarified a bit this year. I also think we got subpar QB coaching since lil Shenanigans went to Washington.
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I kind of agree with both sides of this argument. The play selection, and lack of options will be clarified a bit this year. I also think we got subpar QB coaching since lil Shenanigans went to Washington.
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This year, the schedule is weaker (5 games against playoff teams all year) while Case has another year of experience under his belt.
How do you justify the numbers?
I also think Case gives us a better chance to win in 2014, because we're pretty much the same offense with a few things to fix. With Fitz, or even Yates, we're starting over with a "new" QB where a lot of new issues can pop up.
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I also think Case gives us a better chance to win in 2014, because we're pretty much the same offense with a few things to fix. With Fitz, or even Yates, we're starting over with a "new" QB where a lot of new issues can pop up.
Same players but a totally different scheme .... Starting from page one in the playbook , they are all pretty much equal.


Someone has to earn this QB job.


The difference in the scheme is that they will attempt to exploit the middle of the field more. Problem is , I don't think any of these QB's has the arm for it other than Savage and .... he aint ready.
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Same players but a totally different scheme .... Starting from page one in the playbook , they are all pretty much equal.


Someone has to earn this QB job.


The difference in the scheme is that they will attempt to exploit the middle of the field more. Problem is , I don't think any of these QB's has the arm for it other than Savage and .... he aint ready.
Tell me about Brady's % completion numbers outside the hashes/numbers.

Otherwise I agree with you.

I think after a 1-2 start Savage will take over and a 6-10-7-9 season will follow, But atleast this team will be a tough team and if Savage becomes what BOB thinks he can become good times are ahead in 3 yrs. Kubiak was afforded these chances and I expect McNair to afford BOB the same opportunities,

Would you not agree? Afterall the Texans org did finish 2-14 last yr.
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Same players but a totally different scheme .... Starting from page one in the playbook , they are all pretty much equal.
True enough.

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Someone has to earn this QB job.
Agreed. Still think it's better if Case wins the job. If we were talking about someone much more talented, much more accomplished, or with much more potential, I'm all for it. But we're talking about Fitzpatrick, Tj Yates, & Savage.

All that said, I think the continuity of Keenum would be better than just throwing out one of those guys. If they demonstrate they are straight up better than him in TC, that's fine... I want the best guy to start.

I just haven't seen anything to say that any one is any better than any other. & we've seen plenty of Fitzpatrick.

I'm not saying it's Case's job to lose, or Fitzpatrick's, or Yates'... just that I think it would be better for us if Case can do what he needs to do to win the job, since he led that offensive personnel in 8 of our final games.



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The difference in the scheme is that they will attempt to exploit the middle of the field more. Problem is , I don't think any of these QB's has the arm for it other than Savage and .... he aint ready.
I don't know about that. Seems like OB is going to figure out what we do well & use that to game plan week to week, even mid-game. Whatever we're doing that works, that's what we're going to do. If it's throwing screens to the TEs & RBs, or Stretching the field vertically, or pounding the edges, or exploiting the middle.

Whatever it takes to win.
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I think after a 1-2 start Savage will take over...
Can't imagine any of our QBs playing bad enough to justify a change after a 1-2 start. Case wasn't playing so bad after an 0-3 start that I wanted him out.

I don't remember Tj playing so bad as we finished 1-2 in 2011 that I wanted him benched.

I'd have to see a butt fumble or something before I want the QB benched after a 1-2 start.
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Tell me about Brady's % completion numbers outside the hashes/numbers.
But he kills it down the middle of the field .... TE's , backs under the LBers , and the slot guy is usually their leading receiver. I expect pretty much the same thing here.



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Would you not agree? Afterall the Texans org did finish 2-14 last yr.
I wont predict who starts , or how they finish .... I just want to see the best guy win the job and give them a chance to win.
With that defense & the weak schedule , anything could happen .... even winning the division. (That's not a prediction , just saying anything is possible if the offense doesn't screw the pooch).

As for how McNair handles O'Brien .... I think he'll have a long leash , McNair is a pretty patient guy and realizes continuity is required for long term success in the NFL.
I also think he realizes that they probably don't have their long term QB on this roster so if they have a poor record this season .... its not really a big deal.
Savage may have potential .... but I wouldn't bet the farm on him & neither will McNair / O'Brien.



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Agreed. Still think it's better if Case wins the job. If we were talking about someone much more talented, much more accomplished, or with much more potential, I'm all for it. But we're talking about Fitzpatrick, Tj Yates, & Savage.
Fitzpatrick has 27 NFL W's .... Keenum has 0. Both have been in bad situations but 27 is a whole lot more accomplished than 0.

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All that said, I think the continuity of Keenum would be better than just throwing out one of those guys. If they demonstrate they are straight up better than him in TC, that's fine... I want the best guy to start.



I just haven't seen anything to say that any one is any better than any other. & we've seen plenty of Fitzpatrick.

I'm not saying it's Case's job to lose, or Fitzpatrick's, or Yates'... just that I think it would be better for us if Case can do what he needs to do to win the job, since he led that offensive personnel in 8 of our final games.
I just want the best guy to start , that's the bottom line .... Earn the job.

We'll see how it plays out .... I don't put much stock into Keenum's 8 starts in a different system ..... Someone go take that job from the other guy's.

May the best man win.



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I don't know about that. Seems like OB is going to figure out what we do well & use that to game plan week to week, even mid-game. Whatever we're doing that works, that's what we're going to do. If it's throwing screens to the TEs & RBs, or Stretching the field vertically, or pounding the edges, or exploiting the middle.

Whatever it takes to win.
That's what we've heard from O'Brien .... and I would expect to hear nothing else & I would expect him to do nothing else.

Just making the point that in the offense he ran at NE ... TE's on seam routes & the slot guy got a hell of a lot of balls thrown their way. Then again , they had the personnel to do that .... That's one thing Kubiak couldn't do with Schaub because he didn't have the arm for those routes that required a perfectly placed ball with velocity.
I don't see that arm from any QB on this roster other than Savage ... just an observation of arm strength.



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Can't imagine any of our QBs playing bad enough to justify a change after a 1-2 start. Case wasn't playing so bad after an 0-3 start that I wanted him out.
Who was left to start other than a broken Schaub , Keenum or .... some street FA at that point ?! Yates sh!t the bed in his opportunity too.

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Well , considering Schaub was injured , LienFart was broke up too .... Yates was all we had to go with. I don't think anyone was truly satisfied with a 1-2 finish nor 1-1 in the playoffs ..... But again , Yates or some dude who had spent the season sitting on his couch ?! Who could we b!tch & complain that should have been playing over Yates despite the results ?!

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I'd have to see a butt fumble or something before I want the QB benched after a 1-2 start.
Eh , a butt fumble is a freak play , embarrassing but a freak play. The defender had something to do with that happening too .... shoving the OL right into PrettyBoyButtFumble's way.

I want to see the QB have command of the offense & limit mistakes. If the guy they start the season with looks like he's in over his head .... I could see making a change after three games pending I (OB) thought one of the other QB's on the roster could do a better job. I'm not making a change just to make a change that early.



Someone .... go and take it.
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Right at this moment, I don't even think of Fitz vs Keenum, but this ranking by NFL.com is interesting nonetheless.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap200...arend-rankings

It had Fitz at 26, Keenum at 28, Schaub at 31, and the two rookies rounding out the list; Smith and Manuel at 33 and 34.

I don't know what criteria Gregg Rosenthal used;
Whether he considered the state of the O-line, the running game, the D, the ST, etc. (All of which can either help or hurt the QBs).

For Keenum to be at 28 is a good thing.
The least Keenum qualified for was a bottom starter.
Or he was a very good back up to be on that list.
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Fitzpatrick has 27 NFL W's .... Keenum has 0. Both have been in bad situations but 27 is a whole lot more accomplished than 0.
Fitz also has something like 49 NFL L's.... Keenum has 8... There was a lot of QB screwing ups in all of them.

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Who was left to start other than a broken Schaub , Keenum or .... some street FA at that point ?! Yates sh!t the bed in his opportunity too.

Well , considering Schaub was injured
The point was that the QB play wasn't so bad in those stretches to warrant a change. They both showed the ability & played well enough to win if others stepped up & played to their expectations. Keenum's 0-3 start could have been a 3-0 start if our defense didn't allow 80+ yard drives, or our RB/OL could pick up 3rd & short (one particular 4th & 1 had me shaking my head).

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Eh , a butt fumble is a freak play , embarrassing but a freak play.
Yeah, that's the kind of embarrassing freaky play I need to see before swapping QBs after a 1-2 start.
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Also, note here the "danger" of counting on PFF too much.

http://www.bostonsportsmedia.com/201...lindly-trusted

One of the key points is that they put out the grades before the All-22 films come out.
Without the coaches films (the All-22), there are a lot of guess works involved.
Even with the coaches films, there are still a lot of guess works involved.

There are so many factors to consider.

For example, the INT that Schaub threw to Hopkins on the right side line.
Some of us thought that it was on Hopkins, and not on Schaub.

Or the one Schaub threw to AJ in the endzone.
Was it because AJ stopped short of the route?
Why was it that Schaub threw a tandrum afterward, and AJ walked away.
Maybe AJ was expecting that Schaub would go to the open man on the left?
Maybe he didn't think that Schaub would throw into a crowd?
We just don't know who was at fault.

Or the first INT Keenum threw in the second loss to the Colts.
If you slow down the tape, you would see that when the ball left Keenum's hand, AJ still had outside position on the CB; but the CB intercepted the ball to the outside.
I honestly don't know if it was poor ball placement by Keenum.
It was a great play by the CB; that's for sure.
How AJ was supposed to run that route; I can't be as sure.
Or perhaps Keenum should have thrown that ball a hair earlier?
But the edge rusher was in the way?
I guess that's why they call it a game of inches?

Just some thoughts to ponder, not to lay blame or to make excuses.
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id give case 3 games to prove he can read a blitz, and unless this team is 3-3 or better, i bring savage in for the last 10 games.
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Right at this moment, I don't even think of Fitz vs Keenum, but this ranking by NFL.com is interesting nonetheless.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap200...arend-rankings

It had Fitz at 26, Keenum at 28, Schaub at 31, and the two rookies rounding out the list; Smith and Manuel at 33 and 34.

I don't know what criteria Gregg Rosenthal used;
Whether he considered the state of the O-line, the running game, the D, the ST, etc. (All of which can either help or hurt the QBs).

For Keenum to be at 28 is a good thing.
The least Keenum qualified for was a bottom starter.
Or he was a very good back up to be on that list.
I do see it as Fitz versus Keenum with Savage sitting and learning. I think Keenum will have a learning spurt.
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id give case 3 games to prove he can read a blitz, and unless this team is 3-3 or better, i bring savage in for the last 10 games.
It's going to be pretty hard for Keenum to have this team better than 3-3 after three games.
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Going to be fun to watch this all unfold.
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Going to be fun to watch this all unfold.
Not really, because even after it unfolds and someone "wins"....the position will still be the biggest liability on the team.
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It's going to be pretty hard for Keenum to have this team better than 3-3 after three games.
There you Keenum fan bois go again. Doing everything you can do defend him from the harsh reality that is the NFL. You guys would probably cut him slack for getting your order wrong at McDonald's if he worked there.





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And sometimes the defense couldn't hold the opposing offense when Lechler pinned them inside the 10. The whole team sucked last year.
Amen.
We suffered from a perfect storm of key injuries and untimely suckage. And even so, we were close in quite a few games.
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Going to be fun to watch this all unfold.
Or it's going to be BRUTAL. Preseason should allow us to see which way it's more than likely to go I think.
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