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Old 06-01-2014   #1441
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I'd take Dalton .... but I doubt this is real.
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Well according to Wikipedia Andy Dalton is.
Now Dalton was another smart QB that I liked.
He doesn't have quite the measurables either.
But he's also a QB, not just a thrower.
I like these guys; they are supposed to be able to use the weapons afforded to them.
These are my kind of QBs.

I want a QB who can make the best use out of the other ten guys on the field.

That's the number one trait I look for in a prospect.
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This addition was made June 1........but there is no corroboration anywhere else I can find. Apparently invalid submission (at the same time has him listed as with Texans (2013 to the present).
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Well according to Wikipedia Andy Dalton is.
That would be so cool... except the second round pick thing.


Katy High-school QB... that'd shut those Case homers right quick wouldn't it?

Fitzmagic would have to change his number.
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Bill O’Brien Hints That He Will Only Bring 3 QBs To Training Camp

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HOUSTON (CBS HOUSTON) – The Houston Texans currently have four quarterbacks on their roster trying to make Bill O’Brien’s inaugural squad. On Monday the first year head coach hinted that likely only three of those four would be heading to training camp in just under a month.
“Anytime you have four (quarterbacks)…I don’t think it is easy to divide the reps,” O’Brien said in his post practice press conference. “I think you can really get three guys reps in a practice. Which is basically what we’ve been doing. I know that isn’t the easiest thing for those guys but three out of four have been getting reps.”
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The fact that Fitzpatrick , a late 4th round QB will get a roster spot ahead of Yates & Keenum should tell you all you need to know about the talent (lack of) the Texans had at QB last season.
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The fact that Fitzpatrick , a late 4th round QB will get a roster spot ahead of Yates & Keenum should tell you all you need to know about the talent (lack of) the Texans had at QB last season.
With that in mind... do you think we'd be better off with guys like Stafford, Bradford, Locker, Gabbert, Weadon, Tannehill, & guys like that? I know Stafford's thrown for a lot of yards, but I don't believe he gives his team a particular advantage towards winning games.

When "most" people think, "they don't have a franchise QB" they usually think of your John Skelton, David Anderson, Colt McCoy, Jason Campbell, Dan Orlovsky types.

I don't know if we're that bad off yet.

I wouldn't bet that we have the next Tom Brady on our roster, but I think we may very well have the next Matt Schaub, Andy Dalton, David Garrard, Marc Bulger, Matt Hasselbeck type of QB on our roster.

Still need to look for that franchise QB, but the situation isn't hopeless.
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With that in mind... do you think we'd be better off with guys like Stafford, Bradford, Locker, Gabbert, Weadon, Tannehill, & guys like that? I know Stafford's thrown for a lot of yards, but I don't believe he gives his team a particular advantage towards winning games.

When "most" people think, "they don't have a franchise QB" they usually think of your John Skelton, David Anderson, Colt McCoy, Jason Campbell, Dan Orlovsky types.

I don't know if we're that bad off yet.

I wouldn't bet that we have the next Tom Brady on our roster, but I think we may very well have the next Matt Schaub, Andy Dalton, David Garrard, Marc Bulger, Matt Hasselbeck type of QB on our roster.

Still need to look for that franchise QB, but the situation isn't hopeless.
With the bold? Yes. I'd take Stafford for his cannon and Tannehill because he would absolutely kill it in O'Brien's offense. The only thing standing between Tannehill and success is that incredibly awful O-line in Miami.
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With that in mind... do you think we'd be better off with guys like Stafford, Bradford, Locker, Gabbert, Weadon, Tannehill, & guys like that? I know Stafford's thrown for a lot of yards, but I don't believe he gives his team a particular advantage towards winning games.

When "most" people think, "they don't have a franchise QB" they usually think of your John Skelton, David Anderson, Colt McCoy, Jason Campbell, Dan Orlovsky types.

I don't know if we're that bad off yet.

I wouldn't bet that we have the next Tom Brady on our roster, but I think we may very well have the next Matt Schaub, Andy Dalton, David Garrard, Marc Bulger, Matt Hasselbeck type of QB on our roster.

Still need to look for that franchise QB, but the situation isn't hopeless.
It was that bad last season & I don't think it got a whole lot better this season as far as talent at the position is concerned. They are far from having Andy Dalton , David Garrard or (a healthy) Matt Schaub. Those guy's are leaps & bounds better than Fitzpatrick , Keenum or a yet to throw an NFL pass Savage.

Hell , they may have taken a step back at the position as this year they only have one guy with potential rather than two as Keenum & Yates have shown they are not starter quality , Fitzpatrick hasn't won much & has had turnover issues leaving you with just Savage .... a late 4th rounder who the odds are against.

With a weak schedule , they may win a few games , maybe even make the playoffs but I think that will be in spite of rather than because of the QB talent. That defense will have to carry them and hope the offense doesn't make more mistakes than it can cover for.
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It was that bad last season & I don't think it got a whole lot better this season as far as talent at the position is concerned.
Keenum appeared to be just as talented as all those guys I mentioned. He just made some bad decisions trying to make something happen, instead of giving up on certain plays.

Maybe he didn't mesh with what Kubiak was trying to do, maybe he'll find a better fit with OB's system. Maybe having control of the protections & the routes will work out for him. Maybe OB's process will make it easier for him to make better decisions.

I don't think it was a "talent" problem, as far as a recognition & decision making problem.
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Keenum appeared to be just as talented as all those guys I mentioned. He just made some bad decisions trying to make something happen, instead of giving up on certain plays.

Maybe he didn't mesh with what Kubiak was trying to do, maybe he'll find a better fit with OB's system. Maybe having control of the protections & the routes will work out for him. Maybe OB's process will make it easier for him to make better decisions.

I don't think it was a "talent" problem, as far as a recognition & decision making problem.


Most of QB's who make it to an NFL roster are pretty close in physical talent , Keenum is no different.
I consider talent at the QB position to include the cognitive aspects of the game - recognition & decision making are a big part of that. Just look at Peyton , Brady , Brees & Montana among others, that's what makes them special.

They are talking about cutting a QB , that could be Keenum , it wont be Fitzpatrick , a guy with a 27-49-1 career record. It could be Yates too ...

If Keenum gets cut or fails to beat out 27-49-1 as the starter .... what does that tell us ??? (We don't have too long a wait to find out).


27-49-1 Vs 0'fer - 8 Vs 2-3 (1-1 in the playoffs) Vs Rookie 4th rounder .... The bar isn't set very high at QB this season.

They are banking on the QB limiting mistakes while the defense does the heavy lifting with the hopes that they find their future starter in Savage or in next years draft / FA / trade.
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27-49-1 Vs 0'fer - 8 Vs 2-3 (1-1 in the playoffs) Vs Rookie 4th rounder .... The bar isn't set very high at QB this season.
I wonder what the odds would be for Keenum and Yates of being picked up by another team. Certainly wouldn't be to challenge for a starting role. Would they make it out of camp with any other team as a back-up?
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They are talking about cutting a QB , that could be Keenum , it wont be Fitzpatrick , a guy with a 27-49-1 career record. It could be Yates too ...

If Keenum gets cut or fails to beat out 27-49-1 as the starter .... what does that tell us ??? (We don't have too long a wait to find out).


27-49-1 Vs 0'fer - 8 Vs 2-3 (1-1 in the playoffs) Vs Rookie 4th rounder .... The bar isn't set very high at QB this season.
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It was that bad last season & I don't think it got a whole lot better this season as far as talent at the position is concerned. They are far from having Andy Dalton , David Garrard or (a healthy) Matt Schaub. Those guy's are leaps & bounds better than Fitzpatrick , Keenum or a yet to throw an NFL pass Savage.

Hell , they may have taken a step back at the position as this year they only have one guy with potential rather than two as Keenum & Yates have shown they are not starter quality , Fitzpatrick hasn't won much & has had turnover issues leaving you with just Savage .... a late 4th rounder who the odds are against.

With a weak schedule , they may win a few games , maybe even make the playoffs but I think that will be in spite of rather than because of the QB talent. That defense will have to carry them and hope the offense doesn't make more mistakes than it can cover for.
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You have said at least twice now that the Texans will have to rely on the D to win games.

The 2012 Texans allowed a little more than 6 points fewer than the last year version.
The 2011 Texans allowed more than 9 points fewer.


Take either of those versions and Keenum would have won 5, 6, or maybe even 7 out of 8 games.



And that was against quite a strong schedule. (4 games against playoff teams plus a 10-6 win Cards.)

This year, the schedule is weaker (5 games against playoff teams all year) while Case has another year of experience under his belt.
How do you justify the numbers?
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You have said at least twice now that the Texans will have to rely on the D to win games.

The 2012 Texans allowed a little more than 6 points fewer than the last year version.
The 2011 Texans allowed more than 9 points fewer.


Take either of those versions and Keenum would have won 5, 6, or maybe even 7 out of 8 games.



And that was against quite a strong schedule. (4 games against playoff teams plus a 10-6 win Cards.)

This year, the schedule is weaker (5 games against playoff teams all year) while Case has another year of experience under his belt.
How do you justify the numbers?
Good point.

Obviously the offense was bad last year, but compared to 2011-2012, the defense wasn't great either. It was a total team meltdown. I agree that if Case had had 2011's defense, or even 2012's, along with a healthy Arian Foster, he would have had a much better record. Of course, there are those who think eight games is enough to judge a QB by.

I don't really care who's the QB, as long as he earns the job. It sounds like Fitz is currently in the lead, and that's fine. I just want the best man to win the job, and it sounds like that's what BOB is going to find out.
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Good point.

Obviously the offense was bad last year, but compared to 2011-2012, the defense wasn't great either. It was a total team meltdown. I agree that if Case had had 2011's defense, or even 2012's, along with a healthy Arian Foster, he would have had a much better record. Of course, there are those who think eight games is enough to judge a QB by.

I don't really care who's the QB, as long as he earns the job. It sounds like Fitz is currently in the lead, and that's fine. I just want the best man to win the job, and it sounds like that's what BOB is going to find out.
I don't care who wins the job either , as long as they win it ....


I don't have a horse in this race , I'm just pointing out that the QB play last year was bad , sure Case had decent games / halves and maybe should have won a few , he didn't have much to work with having street FA's line up at RB with him late in the season .... but that doesn't change the fact that the QB play was lacking.
Its a legit excuse (the lack of talent around him) but an excuse none the less and definitely doesn't excuse the biggest flaws Keenum showed last season in recognition of pressure & pre-snap reads. That's on Keenum.

What we fail to realize with the stats 76 gives is how many times the offense put the defense in bad situations ..... how many times they failed to sustain drives sending them back out on the field.
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I don't care who wins the job either , as long as they win it ....


I don't have a horse in this race , I'm just pointing out that the QB play last year was bad , sure Case had decent games / halves and maybe should have won a few , he didn't have much to work with having street FA's line up at RB with him late in the season .... but that doesn't change the fact that the QB play was lacking.
Its a legit excuse (the lack of talent around him) but an excuse none the less and definitely doesn't excuse the biggest flaws Keenum showed last season in recognition of pressure & pre-snap reads. That's on Keenum.

What we fail to realize with the stats 76 gives is how many times the offense put the defense in bad situations ..... how many times they failed to sustain drives sending them back out on the field.
And sometimes the defense couldn't hold the opposing offense when Lechler pinned them inside the 10. The whole team sucked last year.
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I don't care who wins the job either , as long as they win it ....


I don't have a horse in this race , I'm just pointing out that the QB play last year was bad , sure Case had decent games / halves and maybe should have won a few , he didn't have much to work with having street FA's line up at RB with him late in the season .... but that doesn't change the fact that the QB play was lacking.
Its a legit excuse (the lack of talent around him) but an excuse none the less and definitely doesn't excuse the biggest flaws Keenum showed last season in recognition of pressure & pre-snap reads. That's on Keenum.

What we fail to realize with the stats 76 gives is how many times the offense put the defense in bad situations ..... how many times they failed to sustain drives sending them back out on the field.
I kind of agree with both sides of this argument. The play selection, and lack of options will be clarified a bit this year. I also think we got subpar QB coaching since lil Shenanigans went to Washington.
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Default Re: So .... Who's your QB in 2014 ?! - [edit] Mallett?

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Originally Posted by bayoudreamn View Post
I kind of agree with both sides of this argument. The play selection, and lack of options will be clarified a bit this year. I also think we got subpar QB coaching since lil Shenanigans went to Washington.
You can say that again
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