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Old 04-07-2014   #1021
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Fair enough. I like Wilson and I see the talent, but I'd like to see what he can do if he was asked to score 20+ points/game.
Kinda setting the bar high there. Only one QB in the league met that standard last year and he set a new NFL record doing it.
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Re watch the game and you will see the D sugar rushing Wilson. Maintaining their lanes and not really trying to sack him, just keep him in the pocket. In the 2nd half the were full out rushing leaving all kinds of lanes for him to run through. He was only taking what they were giving him, which was wide open running lanes unlike in the first half.

Protecting the ball, and not turning it over is what he does best, but that is not an elite QB by any stretch in my eyes. Perhaps he will become that in the future, but as of now, at least in my eyes, he is nothing more than a middle of the road QB who minimizes mistakes.

I still think the Mallett trade is a possibility, but if O'Brien gives up a 2:1 for him, I am going to be very disappointed. Unless Mallett comes in and just kills it, which is possible, but IMO unlikely.
Wouldn't protecting the ball and not turning it over be a prerequisite of an elite QB not named Brett Favre? It's extremely difficult to win if your QB doesn't do that. I'm not saying Wilson is elite, but I'd say he's top 10 in the league right now.

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When you have a defense as good as theirs , that's all you ask of your QB , don't screw it up. I do somewhat agree with your eye test .... but think you may be selling him short as he can make a defense pay with either throwing or running.



I doubt a trade for Mallett is in the works & would be highly disappointed giving up #33 for him much less #33 and anything else. Yes , he has a big arm .... but that's not even a requirement for success , show me the ability to read a defense , slide in the pocket and make throws down the seams and to the deep outs.

Also concerning Mallett , I hesitate to trade premium draft picks for a guy who will be playing the final year of his rookie deal & then have to pony up standard QB money for after that year.
I much prefer to draft a guy & have him for multiple years on his rookie deal allowing you to spend those funds elsewhere then make adjustments once he comes off that rookie deal
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Yeah, we've seen QBs who make minimal mistakes & benefit from suffocating defenses. Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, even Joe Flacco (not the Super Bowl, that was on Flacco).

Then we've seen young play making game managers make the most of their awesome defenses. Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger.....

Wilson is a lot closer to the Brady/Roethlisberger model than he is to the Dilfer/Johnson model.
Good post. We've also seen some of the best QB's to ever play the game win 0 or 1 Super Bowl. Think Dan Marino, Warren Moon, Jim Kelly, Peyton Manning, Brett Favre, Fran Tarkington, Dan Pastorini (I kid, I kid), etc...MSR
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I'm actually kind of interested to see how the 3 QB's on our roster do in BOB's system. I don't think Fitz has played on a team as talented as the Texans (flame suit on) and think Yates and Keenum both looked very good last preseason. I also don't think either one got a fair shake during the season after Schaub's historic meltdown.

It'll be very interesting to see what shakes out from BOB's time with the QB's before the draft.
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I'm actually kind of interested to see how the 3 QB's on our roster do in BOB's system. I don't think Fitz has played on a team as talented as the Texans (flame suit on) and think Yates and Keenum both looked very good last preseason. I also don't think either one got a fair shake during the season after Schaub's historic meltdown.

It'll be very interesting to see what shakes out from BOB's time with the QB's before the draft.
Wouldn't this be a shock, if OB decided he had enough to work with in Fitz, TJ, and Case that they didn't draft ANY QBs this year?
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Wouldn't this be a shock, if OB decided he had enough to work with in Fitz, TJ, and Case that they didn't draft ANY QBs this year?
I'd applaud if they decided this was one of the occasional 0 decent QB classes like 2002, 2006, 2007 and held off rather than waste a pick.
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I'd applaud if they decided this was one of the occasional 0 decent QB classes like 2002, 2006, 2007 and held off rather than waste a pick.
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That would take some cast-iron cojones.
Meh.... I'd pick up AJ McCarron in the second round.
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You notice what two of those years have in common with this one?
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You notice what two of those years have in common with this one?
You mean, beside the fact that we're picking 1-1 in two of those years?
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Nope. That's it.
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Wouldn't protecting the ball and not turning it over be a prerequisite of an elite QB not named Brett Favre? It's extremely difficult to win if your QB doesn't do that. I'm not saying Wilson is elite, but I'd say he's top 10 in the league right now.
Well sure protecting the ball would be a prerequisite of an elite QB, but how many QB's in the league are capable of doing that? Not many, even so called Elite players like one named Eli. As I said, I am not saying Wilson is a bad QB, I am just saying he is overrated and has not done much to impress me, and my standards are low remember? I support Schaub. Perhaps as the years go by I will be more impressed, but let's be honest, it's been a few years. With the ebb and flow of the NFL, he could fall off a cliff this season.

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I'm actually kind of interested to see how the 3 QB's on our roster do in BOB's system. I don't think Fitz has played on a team as talented as the Texans (flame suit on) and think Yates and Keenum both looked very good last preseason. I also don't think either one got a fair shake during the season after Schaub's historic meltdown.

It'll be very interesting to see what shakes out from BOB's time with the QB's before the draft.
While I agree Yates did not get a fair shake last season, Keenum got more than a fair shake. How many other QB's have gotten a chance to come in as a UDFA and start 6 games in the NFL? You didn't afford any excuses for Schaub's play when the team was collapsing around him, don't make excuses for Keenum regardless of the circumstances. Keenum had a great opportunity to prove himself. He failed. Having said that, I would rather see him start than Fitzpatrick!

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Wouldn't this be a shock, if OB decided he had enough to work with in Fitz, TJ, and Case that they didn't draft ANY QBs this year?
It would be a shock, especially since he has already said there was no question the Texans were going to select a QB this year, but just was not sure what round. If O'Brien determines that from the QB's he has on his roster now, he should be fired immediately!

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It would be a shock, especially since he has already said there was no question the Texans were going to select a QB this year, but just was not sure what round. If O'Brien determines that from the QB's he has on his roster now, he should be fired immediately!
Actually, he said he might take two...Here's the PFT link.

But that could just be a smokescreen and jedi-mind-tricks!

Seriously, though. I expect him to draft at least one. But if he chooses not to pick now, I'm fine with that, too. I'd rather he draft good players than to draft a QB he doesn't think will be any good. Sometimes it's better to just move on rather than to force things.

This just might not be the year we can solve the QB position. If it isn't, I hope next year is.
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As I said, I am not saying Wilson is a bad QB, I am just saying he is overrated and has not done much to impress me, and my standards are low remember? I support Schaub. Perhaps as the years go by I will be more impressed, but let's be honest, it's been a few years. With the ebb and flow of the NFL, he could fall off a cliff this season.
Not sure how he can be overrated when most people are dismissing him as you do.

FYI - Schaub never in his career put up 54 TDs in 2 seasons. His best 2 season stretch of his career he hit 53 TDs and that was with 357 more passing attempts (about 45% more). Your standards aren't consistent.
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Not sure how he can be overrated when most people are dismissing him as you do.

FYI - Schaub never in his career put up 54 TDs in 2 seasons. His best 2 season stretch of his career he hit 53 TDs and that was with 357 more passing attempts (about 45% more). Your standards aren't consistent.
And Schaub's best two years overall ratings by PFF were a very good 7th overall in both 2009/2010,

Wilson's only two years overall ratings have been 5th in his rookie year and 4th in 2013. He might get better.
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Wilson's only two years overall ratings have been 5th in his rookie year and 4th in 2013. He might get better.
To put a little more fine point on it - the only QBs who beat him both years were Peyton and Rodgers. That is some pretty damn rarified air he is in.

And I'm sorry, but this "he isn't called upon to do much" or "it's the system" stuff simply doesn't explain away that away. That kind of thing gets a QB by it doesn't get him that far up the ladder.
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And I'm sorry, but this "he isn't called upon to do much" or "it's the system" stuff simply doesn't explain away that away. That kind of thing gets a QB by it doesn't get him that far up the ladder.
He's on a good team. He's a top QB. Not mutually exclusive.

Give him an elite WR/TE and see what he does.
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Fair enough. I like Wilson and I see the talent, but I'd like to see what he can do if he was asked to score 20+ points/game.
What?! 20+ pts/game?!?
That's three TDs every game. By himself! I mean 16 games x 3 TDs = 48 for the year. Only three guys in the history of the NFL have done that, Peyton (twice), Brady, and Marino. You're asking a helluva lot.
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Actually, he said he might take two...Here's the PFT link.

But that could just be a smokescreen and jedi-mind-tricks!

Seriously, though. I expect him to draft at least one. But if he chooses not to pick now, I'm fine with that, too. I'd rather he draft good players than to draft a QB he doesn't think will be any good. Sometimes it's better to just move on rather than to force things.

This just might not be the year we can solve the QB position. If it isn't, I hope next year is.
If a 2nd QB is taken, I could see it being Logan Thomas. I know there are several folks on here that think he'll be moved to TE, but I can't help thinking that OB might feel he can make something of him. I also believe that OB might see some Ryan Mallett in him & I remember reading somewhere that OB had some influence in NE drafting him. They are both 6'6" 245lbs with strong arms & need help with their games & Thomas has very good straight line speed as well.

I'll even go further out on this limb & proclaim that the Texans will draft Brett Smith in the 2nd or 3rd round.
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