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Old 03-14-2014   #901
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I think a trade is entirely possible.



Say you trade back to 4 or even 6 , you are going to have one or more of the following to choose from -



Jadeveon Clowney

Greg Robinson

Jake Matthews

Blake Bortles

Teddy Bridgewater

Johnny Manziel

Sammy Watkins

Khalil Mack

Anthony Barr

Zack Martin



With all the need for QB's at the top even at 4/6 its quite possible you get the best prospect at his position .... and compensation for moving down. (I use QB#1-3 rather than actually rank them to avoid argument on that subject).



Scenario 1 - Trade w/ Cleveland



Cle - QB#1

Stl - Greg Robinson

Jaq's - QB#2



You are sitting @ #4 with Clowney , Mack , Barr , Watkins & one of the top 3 QB's.



Scenario 2 - Trade w/ Atlanta



Atl - Clowney

Stl - Robinson

Jaq's - QB1

Cleveland - QB#2

Oakland - QB#3



You are in good shape here too , tho you don't get a shot at a first round QB , there is loads of talent available , with the best player @ OLB , WR , CB & ILB still on the board along with multiple top tier OT prospects.





Earlier in the process , I would have wanted a kings ransom for the #1 overall , something like 4 , 26 , 68 + a future pick.



Now , after realizing what would be available to me , I'd still like that huge haul , but would settle for a bit less , maybe 4 & 26 or 4 , 35 & a future pick from Cleveland or something like 6 , 37 , 101 and a future pick from Atlanta.



None of those deals come close to what the Redskins gave to move up to #2 which was two #1's , a #2 and a future #1. to move 4(?) spots.

The only way someone will trade up with us is if a team absolutely falls in love with a player that they aren't sure will fall to them. But like everyone has been saying, there's no clear cut #1 in this draft. Is there a player in this draft that a team could possibly fall in love with? I don't know? Maybe Clowney if anyone.

What's Cleveland's incentive to move up? If they want a QB, they are already guaranteed one of the top 3 QB's (unless the Rams trade their pick to a QB needy team).


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Good luck with that. His other option is to stand firm, get his guaranteed money as a starter or backup for the Texans. Or be cut, get his guaranteed money and test free agency where he will most likely find a starting role with a good size signing bonus from a QB hungry team.
Travis Johnson was on the Radio yesterday and he was saying that all guaranteed money is sometimes not all actually guaranteed. He said it can be guaranteed against injury or performance or both.

Not sure how that pertains to Schaub, or if that's even entirely accurate.
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I think you should probably reread his post, then read your response.
Now , after realizing what would be available to me , I'd still like that huge haul , but would settle for a bit less , maybe 4 & 26 or 4 , 35 & a future pick from Cleveland or something like 6 , 37 , 101 and a future pick from Atlanta.
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Now , after realizing what would be available to me , I'd still like that huge haul , but would settle for a bit less , maybe 4 & 26 or 4 , 35 & a future pick from Cleveland or something like 6 , 37 , 101 and a future pick from Atlanta.
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Nope, that's his expectations for our 1.1 which as I previously stated is too high in this Draft.
Not enough smilefailpalms to describe this post ..... so we'll go with which I hope to see become :titansfan: eventually.

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Earlier in the process , I would have wanted a kings ransom for the #1 overall , something like 4 , 26 , 68 + a future pick.

Now , after realizing what would be available to me , I'd still like that huge haul , but would settle for a bit less , maybe 4 & 26 or 4 , 35 & a future pick from Cleveland or something like 6 , 37 , 101 and a future pick from Atlanta.

None of those deals come close to what the Redskins gave to move up to #2 which was two #1's , a #2 and a future #1. to move 4(?) spots.



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You need to tone down your demands/expectations and look at something more along the lines of getting just their 1.4 & 2.4.
You do realize that 1:4 is #4 and 2:4 is #35 right ..... Its right there in the post above you that I could be convinced to take that deal , among others.

So you are telling me I'm wrong but said I should expect the exact same deal you propose ?! ....
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Jacksonville trading away Gabbert makes it clear that they are looking for a QB at #3. That's great for us because it lets people know that if they have one of the top three QBs rated much lower than the other two, they will need to trade up above the Jags to get one of them. You just hope that those teams also don't want to take the chance of another club trading into #2 and missing out on their chance.
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Jacksonville trading away Gabbert makes it clear that they are looking for a QB at #3. That's great for us because it lets people know that if they have one of the top three QBs rated much lower than the other two, they will need to trade up above the Jags to get one of them. You just hope that those teams also don't want to take the chance of another club trading into #2 and missing out on their chance.
Maybe. Although I would argue that Gus Bradley is a Seattle guy (2009-2012). They built their team with speed and power.

2009 4 Aaron Curry
2010 6 Russell Okung
2010 14 Earl Thomas
2011 25 James Carpenter
2012 15 Bruce Irvin

I feel like Robinson, Clowney, Mack and Watson are their targets with a later round QB.
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Jacksonville trading away Gabbert makes it clear that they are looking for a QB at #3. That's great for us because it lets people know that if they have one of the top three QBs rated much lower than the other two, they will need to trade up above the Jags to get one of them. You just hope that those teams also don't want to take the chance of another club trading into #2 and missing out on their chance.
Someone asked what incentive Cleveland would have in moving to #1 .... well , you just nailed it.

Jax moving Gabbert , crap for QB's in FA .... Jax is taking one of the top 3 QB's @ #3.
Its highly likely that Houston takes one of those @ #1 as well , that leaves Cleveland with the leftovers (which might not be a bad thing as its conceivable they move down to a QB needy team) @ #4. If they want their guy , the odds are that they have to move up to get him.

To be honest , Cleveland could be in the catbirds seat @ #4 if the right players are still on the board , they will have a lot of options and possibly get a huge haul for a move back. #4 could be as valuable as #1 on draft day.
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Good luck with that. His other option is to stand firm, get his guaranteed money as a starter or backup for the Texans. Or be cut, get his guaranteed money and test free agency where he will most likely find a starting role with a good size signing bonus from a QB hungry team.
There is no guaranteed money remaining for Schaub from the Texans. If he is cut his wallet does not get fatter from them. And the main point which you overlooked was that his contract & signing bonus from a new team would be a lot bigger if his last 6 games were with a 2:1 TD:INT ratio and a 92 QB rating instead of 1:2 TD:INT ratio and a 73 QB rating.
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Jacksonville trading away Gabbert makes it clear that they are looking for a QB at #3. That's great for us because it lets people know that if they have one of the top three QBs rated much lower than the other two, they will need to trade up above the Jags to get one of them. You just hope that those teams also don't want to take the chance of another club trading into #2 and missing out on their chance.
Actually I'm convinced they will take a pass rusher #3 and a QB #39. They have bolstered the D-Line in FA, but they still have a huge need at SLB in the new scheme and Mack would be a perfect fit. Could also see them taking Clowney despite signing Chris Clemons and re-signing Babin. In the 2nd round they will be able to get one of the second-tier QB's.
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You do realize that 1:4 is #4 and 2:4 is #35 right ..... Its right there in the post above you that I could be convinced to take that deal , among others.
My mistake, guess I thought your "or" was an "and" and/or I just can't read.
But even with this discounted price, I still think it will be very difficult to make a trade unless we would actually be prepared to accept less for our 1.1 than another team would accept for their lower pick.
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My mistake, guess I thought your "or" was an "and" and/or I just can't read.
But even with this discounted price, I still think it will be very difficult to make a trade unless we would actually be prepared to accept less for our 1.1 than another team would accept for their lower pick.
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There is no guaranteed money remaining for Schaub from the Texans. If he is cut his wallet does not get fatter from them. And the main point which you overlooked was that his contract & signing bonus from a new team would be a lot bigger if his last 6 games were with a 2:1 TD:INT ratio and a 92 QB rating instead of 1:2 TD:INT ratio and a 73 QB rating.
My mistake. I still think he has it made either way. Unless he cant stand not being a starting QB for 1 year. Sit back. Collect his 10-11 million and get released after the 2014 season. No way the Texans consider keeping him with a 17 million cap hit in 2015. Their hand is forced.
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So, by all accounts on twitter, Bortles had a stellar pro day today.
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So, by all accounts on twitter, Bortles had a stellar pro day today.
I saw the whole thing. I wouldnt say stellar. Above average. I would give him a solid B.
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I think there going with the sure fire bet the safe pick Blake Bortles #1 pick get the best QB off the board
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@TonyPauline: I'm told 3/4's through Blake Bortles workout #Texans coach Bill O'Brien let it be known "I've seen all I need to see."

Three-quarters through the workout, most had seen enough including Houston Texans head coach Bill O'Brien as Bortles had answered the call. Minnesota Vikings offensive coordinator Norv Turner openly said something to the effect, "great - this means he (Bortles) won't be available for us."
Welp...

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Welp...

I'd bet a paycheck that Bortles is 1.1
I just don't think OB wants to deal with the media circus that will be Johnny Foozball and I don't think Bridgewater was ever in serious contention, unless he nailed his Combine interviews and pro day. He blew his pro day.
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The only way someone will trade up with us is if a team absolutely falls in love with a player that they aren't sure will fall to them.
The only way someone will trade up with us is if they believe St. Louis wants the player they've got to have.... or if they think someone will trade with St. Louis to get said player.

The only thing we "know" is that St. Louis is not interested in a QB at that spot. Watkins would make sense to me, but this is a deep WR draft & don't see anyone giving up multiple picks to get him.

Too many OTs at the top of this draft, but with Lewan's recent issues... who knows?

Clowney... why would St. Louis want Clowney?

As long as St. Louis doesn't fall in love with anyone... as long as they're mums about who they want, & they're open for business, our pick isn't going anywhere.
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