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Old 03-12-2014   #841
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He said he's starting to believe more & more that Schaub will be here iin 2014. I'm just trying to help him think it through. Bob, Bill, & Rick are going to have to decide what they are going to get from Matt Schaub in return for $10M of new money, & if it's worth it.

So I asked the question.... what can Schaub do that Tj & Case cannot.

I can't think of anything other than wins so I jumped there with the second question. If you can think of another reason to give Schaub $10M, by all means do so.

Then the final question.... is it worth it to them?
Aren't the $10M guaranteed anyways?

so it's the difference between paying him 10$ for not occupy a spot on the 53 roster or giving him $13.625 for staying on the roster

unless I got it wrong
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As long as we take a young guy via the first 2 rounds, I don't really care if our 'vet' is Schaub, McCown or whoever.
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He can mentor a hell of a lot better than either of them. That is something McNair mentioned when talking QBs - that they wanted a vet even if they drafted a QB 1.1.

Look, I don't want them to keep Schaub but it isn't unreasonable from the Texans' perspective (other than fan considerations).
who can schaub mentor is my first question. he's done his time with keenum and yates. a "new vet" wont need a lot of schaub. a rookie i'd assume o'brien would want to be tutored without the previous school introducing any contrary style/opinions. to that i ask, why would o'brien want schaub as a mentor?

i would absolutely love schaub as a backup. he's still a very very good quarterback. top 15 if healthy, but the foot is degenerative and as a starter would be ugly in the back half of the season, if the individual/team pressure as well as fan pressure allowed him that far. i want to keep him, but i dont see it as a mentor, it would be as a very expensive late season backup.
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Aren't the $10M guaranteed anyways?

so it's the difference between paying him 10$ for not occupy a spot on the 53 roster or giving him $13.625 for staying on the roster

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No.

There are two different $10 mils getting confused here and one is a $10.5 mil.

There is $10.5 for money which has already been paid to Schaub which has not yet appeared on the cap. It must appear at some point. So if he is cut (non-June 1st) it will appear on the 2014 cap as $10.5 dead money.

If he stays, he is owed payment of $10 mil for this year which he hasn't been paid yet, but only one third of the dead money would go on the cap this year - $3.5 mil.

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who can schaub mentor is my first question. he's done his time with keenum and yates. a "new vet" wont need a lot of schaub. a rookie i'd assume o'brien would want to be tutored without the previous school introducing any contrary style/opinions. to that i ask, why would o'brien want schaub as a mentor?
Well I would assume if the Texans choose to keep him they do not agree with your assumption and believe he would be a good mentor and would help a rookie pick up the new pro system faster.

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I think it would be more early season starter so they do not feel forced to start a rookie just like the deals the Jags just made with Henne and the Vikings with Cassel.
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I think it would be more early season starter so they do not feel forced to start a rookie just like the deals the Jags just made with Henne and the Vikings with Cassel.
also a possibility. either way i was gearing towards schaub being a competent starter for a portion of the season. i'm not in the camp that schaub is damaged goods. i think in short bursts or as a backup he can be the 2011 matt schaub, and worth more than anyone else we could bring in to fill the role. he just doesnt have the longevity to be the starter (with or without fan hell), and wouldnt be much of a "locker room guru" considering the likely future of the franchise. i assume that o'brien would take that authority away, unlike wade/kubiak/mcnair allowing ed reed to crap on everything in the guise of experience and leadership.
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has of now if Matt schaub hit the F/A market I think he would be the hottest F/a QB on the market deff over VIck that's why no teams have signed a QB yet other then cassell I think there waiting 2 see what the Texans do

so with that being said I don't even matt would want to stay here knowing he coul get payed either way
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All right! I believe we dodged a bullet there. Thank you Tampa Bay. You just saved us from "Ed Reed part 2".

In my opinion, our #1 priority should be to sign a starting RT in free agency. No matter who we trot out as our starting QB next year we have to be able to keep them up right to do their job. The sad part is I haven't seen the Texans being listed as interested in any of them. Instead, we were bringing in a one year wonder to look at. As a fan, I do not understand this front office's thinking.

As for acquiring Mallett, I liked the guy coming out of college & now that he seems to have gotten his life in order the last 3 years, I really like the idea of trading for him. But, we have to get a starting RT in free agency. That will open up so many opportunities for us in the draft to load up on defense.

The way I see it, all we have to do is trade down with Atlanta (assuming they still want Clowney). I read somewhere that Atlanta might offer their 1st (#6), 2nd (#37) & a 2015 2nd to move up to #2 if Clowney is still on the board. Why can't the Texans take the same deal? I know it's less than the alleged "fair value", but it would fill our needs better than just sitting at #1 & taking Clowney.

The deal could be done prior to the draft & if it went down something like that, we could take Kalil Mack at #6 & send pick #37 to New England for Mallett. The net result is we still get a starting OLB, a starting QB, keep all of our current draft picks & pick up an extra 2nd round pick for next year. What would be wrong with that deal?
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The way I see it, all we have to do is trade down with Atlanta (assuming they still want Clowney). I read somewhere that Atlanta might offer their 1st (#6), 2nd (#37) & a 2015 2nd to move up to #2 if Clowney is still on the board. Why can't the Texans take the same deal? I know it's less than the alleged "fair value", but it would fill our needs better than just sitting at #1 & taking Clowney.

The deal could be done prior to the draft & if it went down something like that, we could take Kalil Mack at #6 & send pick #37 to New England for Mallett. The net result is we still get a starting OLB, a starting QB, keep all of our current draft picks & pick up an extra 2nd round pick for next year. What would be wrong with that deal?
Sounds sweet. And we'd still have #33 to do with as we chose...

If you could get Atlanta to bite, you could have Rick Smith's job.
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Is it me, or would he be a marketing dream in Denver or Seattle....


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has of now if Matt schaub hit the F/A market I think he would be the hottest F/a QB on the market deff over VIck that's why no teams have signed a QB yet other then cassell I think there waiting 2 see what the Texans do

so with that being said I don't even matt would want to stay here knowing he coul get payed either way
People are getting antsy about Schaub getting cut.

But.

This is a horrible free agent QB market. At some point in the near future, some team is going to be very, very desperate for a veteran QB. When that happens, they're going to come crawling to us with some ridiculous offers.

We aren't under any time-pressure to get rid of him. With the pressure starting to build, we could be able to convert him into something.
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OK.... so maybe I was wrong about Cleveland's interest in Schaub.
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People are getting antsy about Schaub getting cut.

But.

This is a horrible free agent QB market. At some point in the near future, some team is going to be very, very desperate for a veteran QB. When that happens, they're going to come crawling to us with some ridiculous offers.

We aren't under any time-pressure to get rid of him. With the pressure starting to build, we could be able to convert him into something.
The Texans arent generally hard ballers with their players. I feel like they generally release the player and say "we wanted to give them a chance to get on with another team."

The Texans could be killing any chance Schaub has of being a starter this year by keeping him until the draft. WHICH I AM TOTALLY FINE WITH. Just saying this doesnt seem normal for the Texans.
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Starting to feel more and more like Schaub is staying for 1 more season. Cut or traded after this season. Depending on who the rookie QB is, Schaub might not make it past 6-8 games as the starter.


Edit: Schaub will be 7 million in dead money 2015. Roughly 3.5 million less than what his dead money will be for 2014. Essentially what we are paying him to play this season.

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Just saying this doesnt seem normal for the Texans.
Regime change. What was normal for the Texans may not be normal anymore.

We don't have enough information yet to know.
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Actually it's either 10.5 in 2014 and 0.0 in 2015 or if a June 1st cut it's 3.5 in 2014 and 7.0 in 2015. Looks like you have the 2 combined.

If he's kept for 2014 he counts 14.5 in 2014 against the cap but there's still 7.0 dead money left for 2015/2016.
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He can mentor a hell of a lot better than either of them.
Would he, though? Didn't come off as a mentor to Keenum. O'Brien has to take the time to teach Schaub the offense, along with teaching a rookie? That makes zero sense, also. Keeping Schaub isn't logical from any perspective.

I remember David Carr wasn't released until after the Texans traded for Schaub. And Smith still tried to snoop around for a trade for Carr, but found no takers at his salary. Same thing with Schaub. No one will trade for that $10 million salary.
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The way I see it, all we have to do is trade down with Atlanta (assuming they still want Clowney). I read somewhere that Atlanta might offer their 1st (#6), 2nd (#37) & a 2015 2nd to move up to #2 if Clowney is still on the board. Why can't the Texans take the same deal? I know it's less than the alleged "fair value", but it would fill our needs better than just sitting at #1 & taking Clowney.
That seems reasonable. And even if the Texans don't trade for Mallett, that seems like a very good deal. It's not out of the question that one of the top 3 QBs could be there at 1-6. Not at all.

The real question would be, do the Texans like all of the QBs? If so, let the teams above you determine which QB you take. If they're stuck on one guy, better take him at 1-1 and forget about getting cute.
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That seems reasonable. And even if the Texans don't trade for Mallett, that seems like a very good deal. It's not out of the question that one of the top 3 QBs could be there at 1-6. Not at all.

The real question would be, do the Texans like all of the QBs?
If so, let the teams above you determine which QB you take. If they're stuck on one guy, better take him at 1-1 and forget about getting cute.
My question is: Do the Texans - mainly O'Brien - like ANY of the top rated QBs coming out this year? If they do, and they know which guy they want at 1-1, what's the advantage of stringing Schaub along and not cutting him now?
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