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Old 03-10-2014   #741
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Default Re: So .... Who's your QB in 2014 ?! - [edit] Mallett?

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I baffles me how this thread has turned into a suck off for a guy like Ryan Mallett who hasn't taken any meaningful NFL snaps, plus all of this trust in OB, when trust (at least to me) has to be earned and not just granted, especially after Kubiak.

I'm not knocking you; and I've heard some good points about Mallett, but that this has turned into a Mallett thread when there's dudes with much more upside like Kirk Cousins who can be had for a draft pick (who has seen PLENTY of NFL action, by the way) and Matt McGloin who can also be had for a lower draft pick, after playing pretty well behind a crapola Raiders team. I won't fail to mention that McGloin was also OB's boy at Penn State, where they game planned together as Head Coach and starting QB. I can't help but to think there's a synergy there, over anybody else at the moment.

Anyway, look at this from a very simplistic angle: Give a 2nd for Kirk Cousins who was holed away to get a future draft pick and has played some damn good NFL ball, or give a 2nd for Ryan Mallett, who was also holed away for a draft pick, but has done little more than pass Bill O'Brian in the chow line?

I realize that Mallett is not your guy, specifically - you've said it - but I'm just saying that there are more logical options which to use our draft picks.
I think the main point about mallet is that he already had 3 years learning the system, so we don't need to draft a guy and bench him 3 years to let him learn the system.

also, NE will try to trade him now not because they think he is useless but because they probably understand he won't be around next year when he turns FA. So, since they will lose him anyway, they might as well get something for him.

that said I think we can't possibly have more information than OB on the QBs that are available to us.

also, we should give him some trust, you don't want to be in cleveland's position (firing the HC after 1 year)

And I say this regardless of OB being the HC, if it was another guy I would have said the same.
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Default Re: So .... Who's your QB in 2014 ?! - [edit] Mallett?

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I'm not knocking you; and I've heard some good points about Mallett, but that this has turned into a Mallett thread when there's dudes with much more upside like Kirk Cousins who can be had for a draft pick (who has seen PLENTY of NFL action, by the way) and Matt McGloin who can also be had for a lower draft pick, after playing pretty well behind a crapola Raiders team. I won't fail to mention that McGloin was also OB's boy at Penn State, where they game planned together as Head Coach and starting QB. I can't help but to think there's a synergy there, over anybody else at the moment.
I didn't know either Cousins or McGloin were available. I do know our team inquired about Osweiler, who also wasn't "known" to be available. But that tells me they're looking.

If they're not looking at Cousins (who I don't like as much as Mallet, regardless how much he has played) or McGloin, I imagine there's a reason.
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I think the main point about mallet is that he already had 3 years learning the system, so we don't need to draft a guy and bench him 3 years to let him learn the system.

also, NE will try to trade him now not because they think he is useless but because they probably understand he won't be around next year when he turns FA. So, since they will lose him anyway, they might as well get something for him.

that said I think we can't possibly have more information than OB on the QBs that are available to us.

also, we should give him some trust, you don't want to be in cleveland's position (firing the HC after 1 year)

And I say this regardless of OB being the HC, if it was another guy I would have said the same.
Yeah, but we're talking about a system, not the system O'Brian is going to run. Frankly, we don't know what system OB is going to run, just as much as most of us hope that Crennel will finesse his two-gap 3-4 system to utilize a talent like Watt, the same way we're hoping OB doesn't run a somewhat vanilla system like he ran at Penn State. It's pretty close to obvious that OB would open up his Penn State profile to NFL standards, but to assume we're going to be the Petite Patriots is a little of a stretch at the moment.

About trust, though, I'm not sure how much fan trust is going to have any bearing on what the FO sees in O'Brian, any more than what we say or do has an affect on what happens on the field.

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I didn't know either Cousins or McGloin were available. I do know our team inquired about Osweiler, who also wasn't "known" to be available. But that tells me they're looking.

If they're not looking at Cousins (who I don't like as much as Mallet, regardless how much he has played) or McGloin, I imagine there's a reason.
The fact is, we don't know. Just like everything has a price, so can a player be "bought." In the case of McGloin, it's pretty much been intimated by the Raider's FO that they'll deal either Pryor or McGloin. With Shanahan out of Washington Cousins' fate is a little less clear, where once it was obvious that Cousins was their ace in the hole.

Think about this, though: if it were not one of us mentioning Cousins or McGloin, but instead we'd heard it from news source, like the Osweiler bit, it would have it's own thread. Just like you alluded to, though; how much truth is there any of this. I'll give OB some credit, however, for playing things close to the vest.

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Yeah, but we're talking about a system, not the system O'Brian is going to run. Frankly, we don't know what system OB is going to run...
BRB took a guess.... looks plausible to me.
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Default Re: So .... Who's your QB in 2014 ?! - [edit] Mallett?

Are we adding Brian Hoyer of Cleveland to this mix? I would not mind adding Hoyer and taking Jimmy Garoppolo or Zach Mettenberger in the second round. Hoyer is 28 and looked strong to me with Cleveland when he was on the field. Hoyer was in New England from 2009-2011, which was during BOB's stint with the Pats.
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Are we adding Brian Hoyer of Cleveland to this mix? I would not mind adding Hoyer and taking Jimmy Garoppolo or Zach Mettenberger in the second round. Hoyer is 28 and looked strong to me with Cleveland when he was on the field. Hoyer was in New England from 2009-2011, which was during BOB's stint with the Pats.
Sooo we are gonna do this again, 8 years later? Gonna attached every player and coach that was in New England to coming to the Texans....

Man I remember when talks were getting Jake Plummber out of retirement to be the QB for the Texans because of Kubiak...

sad thing is, all of these scenario's are plausible...
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Sooo we are gonna do this again, 8 years later? Gonna attached every player and coach that was in New England to coming to the Texans....

Man I remember when talks were getting Jake Plummber out of retirement to be the QB for the Texans because of Kubiak...

sad thing is, all of these scenario's are plausible...
Sad thing would be writing silly rules like

...no QBs who wear #8.
...no QBs at 1.1 if there is a DE available.
...no QBs who were backups.
...no white QBs.
...no QBs the coach has a connection or affinity to.

Pretty soon we're going to be looking for a hispanic QB at spot 13.5 who has a third nipple and no vowels in his name.
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Pretty soon we're going to be looking for a hispanic QB at spot 13.5 who has a third nipple and no vowels in his name.
That won't work. Number19 already has a guy penciled in at that spot.
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Default Re: So .... Who's your QB in 2014 ?! - [edit] Mallett?

What I remember most about Mallet from Arkansas is that he overthrew his receivers a lot. Perhaps I didn't watch them play enough, but I immediately think of the ball sailing over receivers' heads.
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Sad thing would be writing silly rules like

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...no QBs at 1.1 if there is a DE available.
...no QBs who were backups.
...no white QBs.
...no QBs the coach has a connection or affinity to.

Pretty soon we're going to be looking for a hispanic QB at spot 13.5 who has a third nipple and no vowels in his name.
He's got to be at least 6'6"
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Sooo we are gonna do this again, 8 years later? Gonna attached every player and coach that was in New England to coming to the Texans....

Man I remember when talks were getting Jake Plummber out of retirement to be the QB for the Texans because of Kubiak...

sad thing is, all of these scenario's are plausible...
Except Gary couldn't get Jake out of retirement and had to settle for Schaub.
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I think BOB should just offer up 1-1 for RG3 and be done with it. Oh wait.... there's already a thread on that somewhere.

Not really
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Except Gary couldn't get Jake out of retirement and had to settle for Schaub.
We don't know Kubiak ever wanted Plummer. All indications are he did not. Your history is screwed up. Plummer was traded to the Bucs in 2007. We could have traded for him instead. His objection was to learning a new system which applied to the Bucs but not the Texans. The trade went down to the Bucs and then he retired.
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"Bears backup Josh McCown said Monday there are four teams that have contacted his representatives about signing with them as a free agent.

McCown would not reveal the teams, but ESPN Chicago reported that the Bucs, Jets, Texans and Bears are making a strong push to sign the 35-year-old veteran."

"McCown had a career year in 2013, going 3-2 with the Bears in relief of injured starter Jay Cutler, completing 149 of 224 pass attempts for 1,829 yards, 13 touchdowns and one interception. He finished the season as the NFL’s third highest-rated quarterback with a 109.0 passer rating"


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Must be us then since he wants to be a starter.
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This is truely scrapping the bottom of the barrel. The dude has had one good year in 11 years. Please don't do this Rick. If we have to sign a veteran from what's left available, I'd rather take a chance on Tavaris Jackson.
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So is there a veteran QB we have not been linked to?
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So is there a veteran QB we have not been linked to?
Matt Schaub.
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This is truely scrapping the bottom of the barrel. The dude has had one good year in 11 years. Please don't do this Rick. If we have to sign a veteran from what's left available, I'd rather take a chance on Tavaris Jackson.
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