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Old 12-29-2013   #21
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Well there is the little issue of actually hiring him, also.
You know the Texans are as transparent as cellophane. O'Brien is in.
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I couldn't disagree more. He got great experience coaching with Brady and the preparation that it takes for them to run the great offense they did. Everything they did in that offense was all about preparation and adaptation.

He has the stones of a leader and holds people accountable. He is the anti Kubiak in that regard. I'm super excited for this HC assuming he gets the gig.
I can't help thinking of the bill belichek (sp) coaching tree failures the more I hear about OB and it scares the hell outta me. I think of him as more of an authoritarian manager guiding the ship. In that regard I like what I see...not really the case in an "x's and o's" fashion. I want him only if we can bring along superstar coordinators. McNair needs to flex his will a bit...if you hire OB give him the strongest possible staff around him...from scouts to coordinators to assistants. If your gonna take a chance on an unproven hc at least bring in some proven commodoties in other positions. Mcnair needs to be evaluating the team's power structure or rank and file as well. Has rick smith been spared the chopping block because Kubes had so much say in matters? Wtf? If it is in fact a problem let's fix it. McNair needs to evaluate every reason including himself for a decade worth of failure. Don't assume you fixed anything because Kubes is gone.
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Just realized I will use the initials BOB for Mr. Bill O'Brien.
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I couldn't disagree more. He got great experience coaching with Brady and the preparation that it takes for them to run the great offense they did. Everything they did in that offense was all about preparation and adaptation.

He has the stones of a leader and holds people accountable. He is the anti Kubiak in that regard. I'm super excited for this HC assuming he gets the gig.
Agree.

What O'Brien did at Penn State... keeping nearly every single player after the monumental penalties and disgrace brought down on that major college program... and succeeding in his first year. 2012 Paul "Bear" Bryant College Coach of the Year award winner. Amazing. Lemons into lemonade.

And anyone who thinks O'Brien carried Brady's clipboard while calling plays for 3 years is misinformed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33V0hSri6BM

What we've seen from O'Brien is exactly what fans yearned for -- an offense that game-plans for the opponent and makes adjustments on the fly. And a strong willed leader who believes in accountability: his own and his players.

New England was winning with average RBs, one short slot WR, and maybe one true WR. Get ready for some big TE mismatches.
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This thing about whether McNair should let BOB bring all his previous staff with him. I think he should let him with the understanding that failure gets these guys replaced in coming years. I don't necessarily agree that the best HC always knows who his best coordinators would be, unless you just judge from the standpoint of who would be the best including that. Seems to me that a lot of the best Head Coaches kind of suck at choosing the opposing coordinator; but, if those guys have had success with him, then give them a chance....and give him his chance to choose....once...
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  • told his coaching staff to be prepared to come with him
& the good 'ol boys roll on. Now we're going to get friends of BOb....aye curamba.
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Will he have his choice on all those positions? I say don't hire him if he's going to bring all his friends. That's something Kubiak would want to do. All those people can't be the best choice available.

Seems OC is missing from his list.
Almost every coach gets that opportunity and almost all coaches bring in people that they've worked with before or know very well. The chemistry between all the coaches is extremely important.
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Anyone know anything about the DC he would bring in.. weather he runs a 3-4 or 4-3.. or if he's any good? I don't want our defense to regress much.. would Lovie be a candidate for DC since he's out of a job
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Wiz is coming into interview and they might offer him the OC job, which would be a win I think. He's not HC material. The same with Romeo Crennel as a DC.

That's too much of a college crew, for O'Brian, and back to the same good ol' boy system that mired Kubiak's tenure.

We need a new WRs coach, but I would be sad to see Chick Harris go.

If I'm Bob McNair I'm going to get the best heads in the room and have the work together. We don't choose who we work with at our jobs. Our boss does that. If we want to win now I don't want to look like Penn State next year.

I'm not saying I don't like the O'Brian pick, because I do. I simply don't want another well-meaning yes man (which, true or false, is what this article implies - I'm going with false - fingers crossed).
Good luck with winning next yr. This is atleast a 2-3 yr rebuilding project. Especially if there's a rookie starting at QB.
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You either hire a Head Coach who's worthy of building his own coaching staff or you hire some guy you don't have enough trust in to let him run his own team... why would you want the latter? Any coach worth his salt, who believes in himself would tell you to jump off a bridge if you asked if he doesn't mind you micro-managing his choices.

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Wiz is coming into interview and they might offer him the OC job, which would be a win I think.
Why would wisenhunt leave San Diego to be an OC here? He's already an OC.
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This thing about whether McNair should let BOB bring all his previous staff with him. I think he should let him with the understanding that failure gets these guys replaced in coming years. I don't necessarily agree that the best HC always knows who his best coordinators would be, unless you just judge from the standpoint of who would be the best including that. Seems to me that a lot of the best Head Coaches kind of suck at choosing the opposing coordinator; but, if those guys have had success with him, then give them a chance....and give him his chance to choose....once...
I would think (at least hope) that O'Brien would understand that just bringing ALL of your college staff is probably not a recipe for success in the NFL. Do I expect a few, of course, but if he is not analytical or connected enough in NFl circles to do more than just make this Penn State south then I don't see how he would be a leading candidate for any head coaching job.
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Almost every coach gets that opportunity and almost all coaches bring in people that they've worked with before or know very well. The chemistry between all the coaches is extremely important.

You are correct. I'm not sure why this seems to be unknown by many in our fan base
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Why would wisenhunt leave San Diego to be an OC here? He's already an OC.
& he's got a game to prepare for next week. He'll probably cancel the interview, like Wade did with Tampa Bay.

Especially with the news that it's practically a done deal with BO'B.

I can't think of another organization that would be looking for a HC that has the talent we have, the track record in the draft, an owner as patient as McNair, or the #1 overall.

So I can see wanting the opportunity to make his case, even if the odds are against him.
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& the good 'ol boys roll on. Now we're going to get friends of BOb....aye curamba.
One of the very few times I'll disagree with you on this, because...

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You either hire a Head Coach who's worthy of building his own coaching staff or you hire some guy you don't have enough trust in to let him run his own team... why would you want the latter? Any coach worth his salt, who believes in himself would tell you to jump off a bridge if you asked if he doesn't mind you micro-managing his choices.

Hire a man and let him succeed or fail of his own merit.
Said better than I could.

Aside from his staff, Thunderkyss, how do you like O'Brien in general?

For us non-fans, there is hope because the Browns had serious interest in him last year and are looking to make another push for him again. Not sure why he would take the Browns job over the Texans, but money talks. Seems most folks at the Browns Board don't want him, but it's hard to tell if that's just the Buckeyes bias speaking or not.
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One of the very few times I'll disagree with you on this, because...
I was actually being sarcastic. I've stated many times that this is the way the NFL works. HCs hire their friends, people they know they can work with because they have worked with them in the past. There is usually some connection between coaches & their staffs.

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Aside from his staff, Thunderkyss, how do you like O'Brien in general?
I like him. So far the only knock on him is that Belichick's nestlings don't usually do too well when they leave the nest. But he isn't morbidly obese like Weis or Mangini were, so I'm thinking there may be other differences as well. He's not as unexperienced as McDaniels & it may be the homer in me, but I think we have a better organization behind him than what the Broncos had. You don't fire Mike Shanahan & replace him with some kid.

We're not replacing a Mike Shanahan. We're replacing Kubiak.
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Tell them to bring in a NEW GM has well :P

might has well make a clean sweep Clean all the past cancer away
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I ultimately leave this up to O'Brien but I'd like Hue Jackson to at least get an interview for the OC position. I think he would match up well with O'Brien.

I'd also like to see either Ken Norton Jr. or Steve Wilks get interviewed for the DC job.

I'm not saying these guys need to be hired but I'd like them to at least get a look.
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I ultimately leave this up to O'Brien but I'd like Hue Jackson to at least get an interview for the OC position. I think he would match up well with O'Brien.

I'd also like to see either Ken Norton Jr. or Steve Wilks get interviewed for the DC job.

I'm not saying these guys need to be hired but I'd like them to at least get a look.
I'd like Horton (DC, Browns and AZ previous 2 career stops) to get a look as well since the Browns fired Chudzinski.
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