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Everyone's favorite topic after the QB situation.

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"You've got guys in the Hall of Fame that have been franchised in back-to-back years," McNair told ESPN.com. "The franchise tag is worth something to the team, and you can't be afraid to use it."

McNair noted that Watt is under contract for at least 2014 and 2015. Earlier this summer, the Texans picked up the optional fifth season on his contract. The sides had some preliminary discussions before the team took that action.

The franchise tag is a way for a team to restrict the free-agency movement of players. If the Texans tagged Watt after the 2015 season, they would have to pay him based on the five-year average of the cap percentage of defensive end tags. Players who aren't quarterbacks cannot be tagged more than twice. At most positions, it's a system that works better for teams than players, as it gives no long-term security to players.

"It's going to be a big contract," McNair said. "If we can do something with him that makes sense for the team to do it early, we'll certainly do it.


"It has to make sense for us. The team comes first. We want to keep all of our players. We want to take care of all or our players, but the team comes first."
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I dont want to act like I understand all the ramifications of the cap and the franchise tag, but the Texans have had plenty of time to prepare for this contract. Its not like Watt just got amazing. Hes been doing his thing for years. Reward this young man for all the work he has put in so far, and all the work you know he is going to put in even after getting PAID.
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DE have the second highest tag, behind QB obviously, at $13.116 million.

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DE have the second highest tag, behind QB obviously, at $13.116 million.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap200...on-tag-numbers
Can we have him tagged as a DT? In a 3-4, the OLB is the one who rushes the edge. Would make it a lot cheaper for the Texans.
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Can we have him tagged as a DT? In a 3-4, the OLB is the one who rushes the edge. Would make it a lot cheaper for the Texans.
yeah, that'll certainly make him happy and endear him to the Texans.
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Default Re: Texans open to possibility of tagging Watt

They won't have to tag him.
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McNair tagging Watt and then telling press Manziel didn't fit his system, I swear Bob is sounding more and more like Jerah every day.
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Co-sign. It won't happen.

I'm also tired of people speculating that JJ may leave if he doesn't get a good offer. Look, I'm going to say this loud and clear: JJ Watt is going NO WHERE. Period. The odds of him retiring a Texan are extremely high. Any talk of him going to another team is a waste of time.
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McNair tagging Watt and then telling press Manziel didn't fit his system, I swear Bob is sounding more and more like Jerah every day.
Ah, Mr Sunshine. I knew you'd show up.

McNair didn't say he'd tag Watt. He simply explained that the franchise tag exists for a reason, and that teams need to know when to use it. He's right.

Heck, he even admitted in the interview that JJ's contract is going to be massive.

I highly doubt JJ gets franchised, and I highly doubt if he ever plays for another team.
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McNair is aware of being in a city and (get over it the other team counts) state with football legacues. Those center around greats - Earl, Dr. Doom, and yes, Staubach, Dorsett, Lilly, etc. Icons build legacies. Guys not not just associated with a team but iconic to the NFL and indelibly identified with a team. AJ and JJ are the two players to wear the uniform with any chance of filling those shoes so far. McNair is going to do everything short of extortion to make that happen.

Rep for the person who can tell the story of how Lilly made that happen for Staubach.
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DE have the second highest tag, behind QB obviously, at $13.116 million.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap200...on-tag-numbers
Thus, the first negotiation is with the NFL and the Players Union. Tag at DE or DT? He plays like DE at the DT position, but DE has a much higher tag than DT. It will be better to just extend him and not have to go there if we can avoid it. I was hoping we could get it out of the way this season without having to resort to tags or threats of tags.
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Thus, the first negotiation is with the NFL and the Players Union. Tag at DE or DT? He plays like DE at the DT position, but DE has a much higher tag than DT. It will be better to just extend him and not have to go there if we can avoid it. I was hoping we could get it out of the way this season without having to resort to tags or threats of tags.
You folks are confusing yourselves. 4-3 DTs like Gary Walker often become 3-4 DEs. That doesn't mean they are still considered DTs. There is zero doubt or argument JJ would have to be tagged as a DE.
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watt is a defensive end. 3-4 or 4-3 or 100-56, he's a DE.
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You folks are confusing yourselves. 4-3 DTs like Gary Walker often become 3-4 DEs. That doesn't mean they are still considered DTs. There is zero doubt or argument JJ would have to be tagged as a DE.
There is always doubt when it comes to negotiation. Thus the reason I wanted it out of the way.

How much leverage do we permit Mario's contract to have? He was grossly overpaid by the Bills, but I think there is little doubt Watt exceeds his playing ability. But Watt's side will look at why he worth more and the Team's side will look at why he shouldn't get that much or why we can't afford that much. It almost always leads to hard feelings, at least for a while.

By the way, the football takes a back seat to the lawyering in contract negotiations so it doesn't have to make sense from a coaches perspective.
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McNair is aware of being in a city and (get over it the other team counts) state with football legacues. Those center around greats - Earl, Dr. Doom, and yes, Staubach, Dorsett, Lilly, etc. Icons build legacies. Guys not not just associated with a team but iconic to the NFL and indelibly identified with a team. AJ and JJ are the two players to wear the uniform with any chance of filling those shoes so far. McNair is going to do everything short of extortion to make that happen.
Not disagreeing with any of that, but there haven't been any such legacies built in the free agency era yet (in TX). Some QBs have done it around the league, because teams won't give up a great QB, but that's about it, I think. Probably missing an obvious choice, but it doesn't change anything, really.
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McNair is aware of being in a city and (get over it the other team counts) state with football legacues. Those center around greats - Earl, Dr. Doom, and yes, Staubach, Dorsett, Lilly, etc. Icons build legacies. Guys not not just associated with a team but iconic to the NFL and indelibly identified with a team. AJ and JJ are the two players to wear the uniform with any chance of filling those shoes so far. McNair is going to do everything short of extortion to make that happen.

Rep for the person who can tell the story of how Lilly made that happen for Staubach.
Very well stated and I agree. McNair is looking at the big picture, which is building a historic franchise around JJ and AJ.
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Let me point out a few things. It's all well and good to think JJ will be a Texan for life. It probably will happen but here are some things to chew on.

JJ grew up a Packers fan. In today's world, they aren't far removed from the SuperBowl and have a proven coach and GM. They also seem to win or compete for a conference championship every year.

JJ has proven that security/finances aren't his primary driving force. Putting himself in the best position to reach his goals is what makes him tick. Remember, he bet on himself and went ALL-IN by walking away from a full ride scholarship and a starting job on a D-1 college team. Very few people thought he'd do it. Many thought he was crazy.

There is no doubt in my mind that JJ will not get the stats in Houston's new defense that he did before. He will be two gapped/read react most of the time. Contrary to what has been insinuated by the coaching staff. From what I've seen, regardless of sport, coaches rarely change their spots. Sometimes they try to make the spots less obvious but they are still there.

Not matter what some people might say, stats are what puts players into the Hall of Fame. If one of JJ's goals is to get to get there, two-gapping in a Crennel defense on a struggling team, isn't going to help.

I have no doubt that had Andre Johnson played for a winning team, he would be a lock for the HOF. I can't say that now. Don't think for one moment that JJ and Andre don't talk.

Another think to consider. JJ grew up idolizing Reggie White who came to the Packers after starting his career elsewhere. Reggie didn't hide the fact that money was important to him but he needed to play for a team that HE thought had a chance to be great. Sound kind of familiar?

I'm sure JJ and his agent have already had discussions on holding out. Many agents would have had him hold out this year. Yes it could come to that. Lest fans take it personal, it would be just JJ trying to attain his goals. Not turning his back on Houston fans. No different than the owner looking out for his team's best interests.

This season will play a huge roll in how JJ feels about remaining a Texan. If the team fails miserably, I'd bet my entire bank account on him doing anything to get out. If his stats drop precipitously I'd say that he probably leaves. Especially if the Texans try to leverage the drop into a lower financial offer.

If the Texans show some life and he thinks they are moving in the right direction AND a decent offer is on the table, he'll remain a Texan.

One more thing, JJ and his agent aren't negotiating in a vacuum. He is part of the players union. Even if he somehow wanted to give the Texan's a salary break, the union and fellow players would not look too kindly on it. To some extent JJ's contract will set the value of future contracts for other players. If you were one of those players and JJ left a lot of money on the table (except to gain something he personally might want, like playing for a different team) I'm thinking you wouldn't be happy.
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Not disagreeing with any of that, but there haven't been any such legacies built in the free agency era yet (in TX). Some QBs have done it around the league, because teams won't give up a great QB, but that's about it, I think. Probably missing an obvious choice, but it doesn't change anything, really.
Aikman, Emmitt and Irvin started their careers with the start of free agency so I disagree there.

And let me clarify something. I don't mean that AJ or JJ will never ever play a down of football for anyone else. I mean that McNair is going to do everything possible to have them here for all but a time period that if they are still playing they are (a) already so established as Texans that they will always be thought of as Texans and (b) are at the point in their careers where everyone agrees they are well past their glory years. Prime example Emmitt - nobody thinks of Emmitt as anything but a Cowboy and if they do think of him in Arizona it is with a "man he really should have just hung it up" kind of pity.
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