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Old 02-22-2014   #1261
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Everybody want to know what BOB will do, but then ignores what he has said. We will not run any type of base system, but will instead run variations from all systems. He plans to be flexible based on match-ups. That's music to my ears.

But now we get pontification about whether players meet the specs of a system they assume we will run, directly in conflict with what has been said.

This variability is anticipated on both sides of the ball and on the line. Some Zone Blocking, some power schemes, some variations. We need athletes that can do multiple things from multiple systems.
Everybody runs nickels and dimes in passing situations in the NFL these days, but you've got to have a base-scheme for your defense, and not just for first downs. And your examples there are of course for offensive schemes, but I heard O'Brien make no claim they'd intersperse 3-4 2-gap schemse with 4-3 penetrating gap defenses.
We know what the Patriots used when Crennel was there and what the Chiefs used when he was the DC and then HC there, and I expect Crennel and not O'Brien will be making the basic decision about the defense.
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Everybody want to know what BOB will do, but then ignores what he has said. We will not run any type of base system, but will instead run variations from all systems. He plans to be flexible based on match-ups. That's music to my ears.
That's coach speak for, "I don't even know what I got yet... how you gonna ask me what we're going to run?"


But like everyone else, we generally revert back to what we know, especially when going gets tough.

Granted, New England does mix it up more than most, so we'll see.
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Not that I like or dislike clowney,but I think the argument doesn't make sense of where he can play. I've watched enough of him to say,he's either a 4-3 de or olb. He's big and ethletic enough to stand up. He can stand guys up and shed. I don't question what he can do,I question and witnessed the frequency at which he does it.

Unlike a lot of people, I know its very hard to give 100% all the time,that's reality. I agree with bill polian when he said that he didn't pursue and cause fumblesor jarring hits like he could have. I mean that's a plan and a very effective one when teams run away from you. I've watched enough to see teammates pass him on the way to the football. I mean defensive tackles and such passing him in pursuit. Clowney is the kind of athlete coaches love to have as a talent.
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Should help us make the right choice...

Jadeveon Clowney: Breer: Clowney 'very close' with HOU staffer

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South Carolina edge player Jadeveon Clowney was "very close" to current Texans staffer, and former Gamecock strength coach, Craig Fitzgerald during the prospect's freshman year.

This is an interesting development. Obviously Clowney then spent two seasons without Fitzgerald on staff, but the connection can be made, especially with some questioning Clowney's work ethic.

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At 266 lbs I don't think it is much of a stretch.

3-4 DE's under Crennel
310 lbs Seymour
300 lbs Ty Warren
310 lbs Alvin McKinley
320 lbs Orpheus Roye
315 lbs Robaire Smith
320 lbs Shaun Smith
313 lbs Corey Williams
310 lbs Kelly Gregg
316 lbs Glenn Dorsey
290 lbs Ropati Pitotua
295 lbs Tyson Jackson

Nobody even remotely close to Clowney. Now that last pair is only a hair off of JJ and Antonio.
And the OLBs on those defenses were around Clowney's size?
What bothers me is that I've never seen an OLB that didn't have some cover responsibilities - be they a lot or a little, they will have to cover RBs or TEs - I've never heard/seen any one rave about Clowney's cover skills. His raw speed, yes. Cover skills, not so much.
That's where I was going with my question to backwards Possum.
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And the OLBs on those defenses were around Clowney's size?
What bothers me is that I've never seen an OLB that didn't have some cover responsibilities - be they a lot or a little, they will have to cover RBs or TEs - I've never heard/seen any one rave about Clowney's cover skills. His raw speed, yes. Cover skills, not so much.
That's where I was going with my question to backwards Possum.
I agree with your concern. I don't think he is a good fit for the Texans at all. He looks like he needs to go be the prototype 4-3 DE for some team to me.
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I agree with your concern. I don't think he is a good fit for the Texans at all. He looks like he needs to go be the prototype 4-3 DE for some team to me.
I think he could do it if he wanted .

I can't remember where I saw this but if was here sorry .

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Play what Mercilus is suppose to be doing .
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this guy will be the player mario williams was supposed to be.
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Along with Reggie Bush's, Clowney has the most impressive high school highlight reel I've seen. Freaky.
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He's the big kid that towers over all the other kids in his age group.
He'd have to be a Reggie White-type or Bruce Smith-type specimen for that differential to translate to the NFL.
Are you seeing a Reggie White or Bruce Smith type guy in Clowney?
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Clowney is my pick. To me, he's the best player in this draft. If we pass on him to take a QB, I'd like Bridgewater from that group. Ideally I'd like Clowney and then whichever QB after; Garoppolo or even McCarron.
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Are you seeing a Reggie White or Bruce Smith type guy in Clowney?
Nope. Never predicted a HOF'er out of college. Didn't predict Watt, either.

But he's a special player, and those don't come around very often.
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Along with Reggie Bush's, Clowney has the most impressive high school highlight reel I've seen. Freaky.
I've said this here before but Clowney and Adrian Peterson are the two guys I remember who could have gone straight to the NFL after high school.
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I've said this here before but Clowney and Adrian Peterson are the two guys I remember who could have gone straight to the NFL after high school.
In my day it was Earl Campbell , Herschel Walker and Marcus Dupree .
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In my day it was Earl Campbell and Herschel Walker .
I don't doubt it. Didn't get to see either in their prime, unfortunately.
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