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We need more of these college coaches to be honest about a player's tendencies...that's what's wrong with many of these incoming rookies now...
Good for those in pro ball/us, but if I'm recruiting against the guy I play that tape to my 5-star recruits and tell them I'll be on their side when they're up for the NFL draft.

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Look like Tarzan, plays like Jane has nothing to do with work ethic. It's about being soft. No one is accusing Clowney of being soft.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCtUz...=share&t=11m8s

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I missed on the "he has players back in his college locker room that this example will be used to hold them accountable", and that he'll approach recruits with about accountability.
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Huge. Red. Flag.

I missed on the "he has players back in his college locker room that this example will be used to hold them accountable", and that he'll approach recruits with about accountability.
Not the comments beginning at 15:56 re his bone spurs. As I've posted before, this is a very real possibility explaining last year......whether it is publicly revealed following the Combine medical exam or not.
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From Ian Rapoport of NFL Network:
Talked to a few evaluators about what Jadeveon Clowney would be if #Texans drafted him in Romeo’s scheme: SAM linebacker. Is athletic enough
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Talked to a few evaluators about what Jadeveon Clowney would be if #Texans drafted him in Romeo’s scheme: SAM linebacker. Is athletic enough
The SAM lb's primary responsibility is in coverage against the TE and RB's and in run support. The SAM will be used to rush the QB on occasion, but not as a primary responsibility. In this capacity, instincts and experience are required to make the correct reads. Clowney does not have this experience. On the other hand, the primary responsibility of the ELEPHANT is to attack the QB. If Clowney were to move to LB, it would be on the weak side.
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The SAM lb's primary responsibility is in coverage against the TE and RB's and in run support. The SAM will be used to rush the QB on occasion, but not as a primary responsibility. In this capacity, instincts and experience are required to make the correct reads. Clowney does not have this experience. On the other hand, the primary responsibility of the ELEPHANT is to attack the QB. If Clowney were to move to LB, it would be on the weak side.
You would think so. Want no part of Clowney at SLB.

Rather not have him at LB at all.
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Clowney would still have his hand in the dirt on passing downs, I'd bet.
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You would think so. Want no part of Clowney at SLB.

Rather not have him at LB at all.
Clowney's vast talent would be wasted if he's not playing 4-3 DE, preferable on the weak-side just as JJ will be wasted if he's playing a traditional 2-gap 3-4 down lineman role. I'm already anxious about Crennel's antiquated defense coming to Houston, I think keeping Wade would have been better but I understand that the new regime gets to name his own assistants.
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On the other hand, the primary responsibility of the ELEPHANT is to attack the QB. If Clowney were to move to LB, it would be on the weak side.
Hence the question:

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How well does clowney compare to willie mcginist? He WONT be a 3-4 de for crennel.
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OT Justin Britt, Missouri: “Probably Jadeveon Clowney. He’s a lot stronger than he might look, and he looks pretty strong. That 4.4 speed I think you’ll see this weekend — that really plays a role when you’re playing defensive end. When you’re playing tackle and he’s trying to back up, it’s very challenging. Overall, he’s just a very explosive player. He has that God-gifted ability.”
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T Taylor Lewan, Michigan: “Jadaveon Clowney, absolutely. That [bowl] game was unreal, having a month to prepare for a guy like that, knowing he was going to be a top five pick in the NFL draft -– just taking the time I had to watch his film, I put myself in an NFL situation. I spent the extra hours at night, which you have to do when this is your job. And I felt like I played one of my best games against him.”
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T Michael Schofield, Michigan: “I matched up against Jadeveon Clowney for one series [in the 2013 Outback Bowl]. That was hardest series of my life. … The hype is legit.”
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I'm more interested in Clowney's vertical, 3 cone, & bench than I am about his 40. Actually I'd rather see a hundred yard dash than 40 from this guy.

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Lets see what Clowney's box jump max is.

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I'm more interested in Clowney's vertical, 3 cone, & bench than I am about his 40. Actually I'd rather see a hundred yard dash than 40 from this guy.

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Clowey is gonna test well because he's that kind of athlete. His 40 will be 4.5 ish,he'll jump 44" probably. His 3 cone and shuttle won't be the fastest,but it will be fast enough. I've never wondered about clowney the athlete,just clowney the professional.
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Clowey is gonna test well because he's that kind of athlete. His 40 will be 4.5 ish,he'll jump 44" probably. His 3 cone and shuttle won't be the fastest,but it will be fast enough. I've never wondered about clowney the athlete,just clowney the professional.
This. The combine doesn't change my evaluation of Clowney because I will still have the same questions about him. The interviews won't answer the questions on his work ethic. The only thing that will answer that is showing up to camp and working his tail off once he gets drafted. It's a risk.
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Jadeveon's Clowney's dog, King Clowney: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=709619802423997

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Clowey is gonna test well because he's that kind of athlete. His 40 will be 4.5 ish,he'll jump 44" probably. His 3 cone and shuttle won't be the fastest,but it will be fast enough. I've never wondered about clowney the athlete,just clowney the professional.
I want to see the explosiveness in comparison to players that have come before him. See what we've got to work with.

I'm not worried about "the professional," that's why we have coaches to shape & mold him. He's nowhere near a finished product. To think so is unrealistic. Questionable character going to the Lions, or to a Gregg Williams coached team, you're probably asking for trouble.

Questionable character going to a Kubia.... uh... the Houston Texans, probably not so much. Especially with Jj Watt, Cushing, & Antonio on the team.
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I want to see the explosiveness in comparison to players that have come before him. See what we've got to work with.

I'm not worried about "the professional," that's why we have coaches to shape & mold him. He's nowhere near a finished product. To think so is unrealistic. Questionable character going to the Lions, or to a Gregg Williams coached team, you're probably asking for trouble.

Questionable character going to a Kubia.... uh... the Houston Texans, probably not so much. Especially with Jj Watt, Cushing, & Antonio on the team.
Which is why Sam Montgomery flourished.

Oh.

Wait.

Yeah, "the professional" part bothers me a lot. I don't think we've been a successful franchise over a long enough period of time to claim we've got the locker room to be able to handle a #1 draft pick with these sorts of issues. The Patriots? Maybe. The Steelers? Maybe. Us? No.
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Which is why Sam Montgomery flourished.

Oh.

Wait.

Yeah, "the professional" part bothers me a lot. I don't think we've been a successful franchise over a long enough period of time to claim we've got the locker room to be able to handle a #1 draft pick with these sorts of issues. The Patriots? Maybe. The Steelers? Maybe. Us? No.
If we don't have the locker room presence to handle Clowney and his "issues" why even bother drafting anybody. Why even bother showing up on Sunday? Let's just concede a 0-16 season while we're at it.
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If we don't have the locker room presence to handle Clowney and his "issues" why even bother drafting anybody. Why even bother showing up on Sunday? Let's just concede a 0-16 season while we're at it.
Which is what we did last season.

I think Clowney's issues are really, really bad. I think he's going to have to land in a really special situation not to be an almost Vernon Gholston-like bust. I don't want to waste a pick on a guy who might show up now and then.
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