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Old 01-08-2014   #321
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Is it possible we can draft Jadeveon Clowney to play right end in a 3-4 defense? Are we totally overblowing the fact he's a freak of nature and can adapt to any scheme and system in place? He's still number one on my overall draft board. I rate him ahead of Teddy Bridgewater. We're going to lose Antonio Smith. What are we planning to replace him with? J.J. Watt needs some help up front.
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We're not going to draft CLowney. People continue to ponder about this. Bill O'brien won't draft a guy like Clowney and would never put up with the guy's attitude and lazy play.

Clowney has got to be the most overrated and over hyped guy I think I've ever seen in pre draft talks. The only exception being Jamarcus Russell. Not because he doesn't have the talent, but simply because he already has all types of motivational problems and when that is the case when these guys aren't even being paid Millions of dollars, you'd have to be crazy to pay someone like this a ton of money when they displayed these problems when they were auditioning to play for the league which is what Clowney was doing all season long. Why anyone would even consider drafting a guy in the top 5 who has proven already that he isn't "a gamer" is beyond me. After so many busts and failed draft picks from great players who amounted to squat due to being lazy and non motivated, I am shocked that Clowney is still a top 5 draft pick guy and hasn't fallen from the top 10. And that silliness right there is exactly what will make this kid even worse when he gets to the NFL. He will realize that even with a horrible disappointing season when everyone was watching, he still kept the same draft status and hype. He won't learn a thing. Now if he ended up slipping to like #17 in the draft, something like that would potentially wake this guy up and make him feel motivated enough to have something to prove.

Clowney is nothing but a slightly more talented version of Vernan Gholston.
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Is it possible we can draft Jadeveon Clowney to play right end in a 3-4 defense? Are we totally overblowing the fact he's a freak of nature and can adapt to any scheme and system in place? He's still number one on my overall draft board. I rate him ahead of Teddy Bridgewater. We're going to lose Antonio Smith. What are we planning to replace him with? J.J. Watt needs some help up front.
If crennel is going to be the dc, I think crick is fine. Mitchell will also play a role,not nt though. If they sign someone like Linval Joseph to play nt, he watt and crick would make a good dl. There are also a lot of 3-4 de or flex guys,availible. One thing about romeo, they would adjust the line according who they're playing. In new england,it was a 3-4 or 4-3. They had 2 guys on the bench who played a lot because seymore was hurt at times. So crick fits the physical profile. The video I posted was of kelcy quarles. He's a guy who can play nt or 5 tech.
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He's 6'4 300lbs,but his frame can hold 320 easy. Led the team in sacks and tfl. Gamecocks also have another dl.
Yep they do and he had a good year. There's no reason he shouldn't have considering that Clowney was the most schemed against player in college football. Not saying he isn't any good. Just wonder how much talent he has vs benefiting from Clowney getting so much attention. And I don't see him as a NT by any means.
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Is it possible we can draft Jadeveon Clowney to play right end in a 3-4 defense? Are we totally overblowing the fact he's a freak of nature and can adapt to any scheme and system in place? He's still number one on my overall draft board. I rate him ahead of Teddy Bridgewater. We're going to lose Antonio Smith. What are we planning to replace him with? J.J. Watt needs some help up front.
I was asking bah007 about this and his opinion was that in a 3-4 defense (assuming we go 3-4) J-Clown would probably need to be a 3-4 DE in a 1 gap system. Basically shooting gaps more than tying up multiple blockers.
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I was asking bah007 about this and his opinion was that in a 3-4 defense (assuming we go 3-4) J-Clown would probably need to be a 3-4 DE in a 1 gap system. Basically shooting gaps more than tying up multiple blockers.
If that's the case then what about Watt? Is that how he's going to be used? I think if you asked ANY DC (no matter what system they run)if they would like to have Watt and Clowney on their team it would be a unanimous YES. Any DC worth a dam will find a way to use two talented guys like that.
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If that's the case then what about Watt? Is that how he's going to be used? I think if you asked ANY DC (no matter what system they run)if they would like to have Watt and Clowney on their team it would be a unanimous YES. Any DC worth a dam will find a way to use two talented guys like that.
The issue would be Crennel adapting his system to maximize the talents of guys like Watt and Clowney instead of just plugging them into the system as it exists.

Clowney doesn't fit in the system Crennel has shown previously. His skills lie between the DE and OLB, but he doesn't fit either entirely.
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The issue would be Crennel adapting his system to maximize the talents of guys like Watt and Clowney instead of just plugging them into the system as it exists.

Clowney doesn't fit in the system Crennel has shown previously. His skills lie between the DE and OLB, but he doesn't fit either entirely.
I don't see that as an issue. Again, Any DC worth a dam will find a way to use two talented guys like that.
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If that's the case then what about Watt? Is that how he's going to be used? I think if you asked ANY DC (no matter what system they run)if they would like to have Watt and Clowney on their team it would be a unanimous YES. Any DC worth a dam will find a way to use two talented guys like that.
Draftniks tend to look at holes/positions.

Good Coaches/scouts tend to look at talent/playmaking ability more than scheme.
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I don't see that as an issue. Again, Any DC worth a dam will find a way to use two talented guys like that.
I don't disagree with that. He could obviously use Clowney. But Clowney doesn't fit the typical DE or OLB in his system. So instead of taking Clowney #1 and adapting it would seem more likely that we take a guy later that fits what Crennel is looking for.

If Clowney isn't an ideal fit for what Crennel wants to do then I wouldn't be surprised if we don't have him as high on our board as others do.

You don't always necessarily draft guys based on who has the most talent. You draft guys based on who makes the biggest impact on your team. Clowney, like Mario, is a supreme talent but would be replaceable in this system.
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I don't disagree with that. He could obviously use Clowney. But Clowney doesn't fit the typical DE or OLB in his system. So instead of taking Clowney #1 and adapting it would seem more likely that we take a guy later that fits what Crennel is looking for.

If Clowney isn't an ideal fit for what Crennel wants to do then I wouldn't be surprised if we don't have him as high on our board as others do.

You don't draft guys based on who has the most talent. You draft guys based on who makes the biggest impact on your team. Clowney, like Mario, is a supreme talent but would be replaceable in this system.
I see where you are coming from. I just don't see him as "not a fit in this system" to the extent that you do I guess. And talent wise he is so much better than the next guy that I would find a way to make him fit. Of course that also would mean he blew me away in The interviews. But on talent alone he is just to far superior to the next closest rated player IMO.

Hopefully when Crennel is hired this question will be brought up to him.
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I see where you are coming from. I just don't see him as "not a fit in this system" to the extent that you do I guess. And talent wise he is so much better than the next guy that I would find a way to make him fit. Of course that also would mean he blew me away in The interviews. But on talent alone he is just to far superior to the next closest rated player IMO.

Hopefully when Crennel is hired this question will be brought up to him.
If we end up drafting Clowney then the questions will have been answered satisfactorily by both.
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