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Old 04-24-2014   #2661
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Field Yates.

As Gil Brandt says, teams draft based on their own projections within their positions. It's why a Tom Savage is drawing strong interest from NFL teams but, DraftTwitter is all up in arms...

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It's really a mixture of both.

A lot of us don't put too much stock in "prototypical" size, or "strong arms" or playing for a major program in a major conference. Saying those things don't mean a lot in the NFL, or they aren't the end all/be all.

& for the most part that's true, but it all adds up. Just like playing in a "pro" system. Just about everyone here puts a lot of stock into playing in a pro system, but Joe Flacco & Ben Roethlisberger didn't (I know they didn't play for a major program in a major conference either). But like Savage, they have the size, they have the arm, & they've shown that they can make good decisions.

Not saying Savage should be taken in the first, or that he'll win a Super Bowl, just saying. All teams look at all this differently & weight them all differently, & gauge it all according to all the other talent available in the draft.
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I've noticed the Falcons spending a lot of time with Clowney. I would assume they know they'll need to move up to #1 to get him, right? Otherwise, they're both wasting their time.
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The Atlanta Falcons will spend more time with Jadeveon Clowney on Friday.

The Falcons, who numerous league sources say remain very focused on South Carolina pass rusher Clowney, hosted him for a visit this week and are scheduled to spent more time with him Friday.

The Falcons are seen by many execs as the team most likely to trade up to first overall with Houston, with Clowney their target. Pass rush remains a big void for the team,which hopes to bounce back to Super Bowl contention after a disastrous 2013. GM Thomas Demitroff has pulled off big draft-day moves in the past and the Texans are very open to trading down, with at least three players under consideration for the top selection.

Clowney was in Atlanta on Wednesday and on Friday he will not have a full workout for them, but, according to a source, he "will do a few things on the field," with Falcons brass on campus. The Falcons are likely to work out South Carolina WR Bruce Ellington as well.

The Texans could well take Clowney is they stay at first overall, but if they trade down, Central Florida quarterback Blake Bortles would be in play, while the Texans have also spent considerable time considering Buffalo linebacker Khalil Mack, who won't be there at No. 6 overall, as well as quarterback Johnny Manziel.
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South Carolina coach Steve Spurrier says the Houston Texans have only one option with the first overall pick in the NFL draft: Select former South Carolina defensive end Jadeveon Clowney.

“Yeah, I think you have to,” Spurrier said when asked by Dan Patrick if the Texans should take Clowney.


Spurrier said if there was a franchise quarterback like Andrew Luck in this draft, it might be a different story. But Spurrier doesn’t believe any of the quarterbacks in this year’s draft is that kind of elite talent, and as a result he says CLowney is the clear choice.

“He’s a really good football player, and obviously pass rushing is what he does best,” Spurrier said. “He’s a pass rusher like nobody I think I’ve ever seen in college football.”

Spurrier has been candid about Clowney not always having the best work ethic, but that doesn’t change the fact that there’s no question about who the most talented player in this draft is. That’s Clowney.
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If we believe two of the three QBs will be gone by the 6th pick, I can see us drafting Clowney, with a deal in place with Atlanta, depending on which QB was still there.
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If we believe two of the three QBs will be gone by the 6th pick, I can see us drafting Clowney, with a deal in place with Atlanta, depending on which QB was still there.
huh?
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If we believe two of the three QBs will be gone by the 6th pick, I can see us drafting Clowney, with a deal in place with Atlanta, depending on which QB was still there.
Say what? Ummm, I'm pretty sure they are all there when you draft first.
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Say what? Ummm, I'm pretty sure they are all there when you draft first.
Maybe they don't think the value is there to pass on Clowney. But to get their QB at 6 and extra picks, maybe they'll see the value there.
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btw, don't blast me, I don't have a dog in this hunt.


Yeah we all need to lighten up a little.
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huh?
I think he's saying it's like the Eli Manning/Philip Rivers trade where Team A (us in this case) will go ahead and draft a player. Then if a certain player is still there when Team B picks, then Team B will pick that player and the two teams will swap with Team B throwing in some other things for good measure.

It's a bit rare and I hadn't really considered the possibility until he mentioned it.
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Spurrier speak out for Clowney again.

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Spurrier is trying to help his player out now. If he spoke out against him, what recruit would ever want to work with him again? Spurrier's true feelings came out during the season when that stuff didn't matter as much. Spurrier let it be known.
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If we believe two of the three QBs will be gone by the 6th pick, I can see us drafting Clowney, with a deal in place with Atlanta, depending on which QB was still there.
Draft & trade is unlikely with new structure of rookie pool. ATL would be trying to sign 1st slot Clowney with 6th slot allocated money which would be near impossible to do within the rules. $1 million difference, new CBA rules.

I did not stay at Holiday Inn Express last night... heard this on NFL Insiders from Phil Savage. Doesn't really make sense to me, but won't be the last time that's true.
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Draft & trade is unlikely with new structure of rookie pool. ATL would be trying to sign 1st slot Clowney with 6th slot allocated money which would be near impossible to do within the rules. $1 million difference, new CBA rules.

I did not stay at Holiday Inn Express last night... heard this on NFL Insiders from Phil Savage. Doesn't really make sense to me, but won't be the last time that's true.
I disagree. I think it would be a lot easier to entice teams to trade for a #1 draft pick since they aren't paying out the ass for it like they were many years ago. The investment is a lot less.
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I disagree...
Savage said you cannot do it -- draft then trade -- under the new rules the way pick are slotted financially. So if there's going to be a trade, it will be before our 1st pick.
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I disagree. I think it would be a lot easier to entice teams to trade for a #1 draft pick since they aren't paying out the ass for it like they were many years ago. The investment is a lot less.
I don't think you are grasping what he is saying.
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Savage said you cannot do it -- draft then trade -- under the new rules the way pick are slotted financially. So if there's going to be a trade, it will be before our 1st pick.
Okay, I see. So, they can't do it like NY and SD did then. That is silly. It should be able to go however they want it to go.
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Savage said you cannot do it -- draft then trade -- under the new rules the way pick are slotted financially. So if there's going to be a trade, it will be before our 1st pick.
Actually I think you can do it but getting the money to work is extremely hard. The farther apart the picks the harder it is. I think!
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Okay, I see. So, they can't do it like NY and SD did then. That is silly. It should be able to go however they want it to go.
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Actually I think you can do it but getting the money to work is extremely hard. The farther apart the picks the harder it is. I think!
No matter. We trade down further and draft A-a-r-o-n D-o-n-a-l-d scheme be damned.
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I think he's saying it's like the Eli Manning/Philip Rivers trade where Team A (us in this case) will go ahead and draft a player. Then if a certain player is still there when Team B picks, then Team B will pick that player and the two teams will swap with Team B throwing in some other things for good measure.

It's a bit rare and I hadn't really considered the possibility until he mentioned it.
Thanks! That makes some sense.
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OK. I just pulled up this: Jadeveon Clowney vs. Taylor Lewan 2013 Bowlgame. This is not the two games I'd seen him play previously. AND. It's a bowl game.

Second play of the video. 17 seconds into this. He rushes on a twist. The QB tries to run to the area Clowney vacated. That's all good. But when Clowney sees the play going away from him, he just jogs toward it. He doesn't run. If he had run there, he would have been in a better position to get the fumble.



Really? What about #70 and #99? Are they loafing too?????

At 1:09, the play goes inside of him and breaks for a long run. Once he sees he's out of the play, he's not trying to get himself back into it. In the slo-mo second version of that play, I kept expecting to see him come back into the camera but he never showed up. Which means he either stopped or he was just jogging after the play.



You can't be serious?????

On the play at about 1:40, he gets doubled and when he sees the QB rushing the other way, he slows down.



I'm totally confused?????

On the play at about 3:09, the run is away from him and he initially pursues but then he slows down while the guy is still not down.

On the plays in the 3:35 range, he's starting to look tired and half-hearted.

On the play at about 4:01, he runs himself out of the play and then he becomes a spectator.

On the play at 4:09, he falls down. And then instead of getting up and chasing the play, he gets up and talks to the tackle.

On the next play, he rushes, the QB runs, Clowney jogs after and then when he realizes he could be in a position to hit him, he speeds up. If he had been moving at that speed for the entire play, he would have been in a better position to make a play.

On the play at 5:02, I don't know if it was called for him to take a slow contain rush but he looked lackadaisacal coming off the ball to me.

At the 8:10 mark, he gets doubled teamed. The play goes past and he just trudges downfield.

At the 8:18 mark... that was an AMAZING play. He had other opportunites to do that.

Again at 9:49, excellent play.

To me, there are a lot of times where he just doesn't look like he's in the game.

I don't see it!!!!!! Sorry buddy I think you are looking to hard for something that isn't there. If that is loafing then even JJ Watt is a loafer.
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