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Old 04-24-2014   #2601
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He's going to get a top 5 contract, as opposed to a 4-6th rd contract if he would've blown out his knee like Brandon Thomas.

A very good business decision. IMHO
It was a bad decision to even play. He really didn't want to. He said he only played because his team mates wanted him to. Regardless I think it's laughable that people act as though they would of done any different. It's easy to hide behind a keyboard and act all holier than thou. As is the money wouldn't matter to them.
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He's going to get a top 5 contract, as opposed to a 4-6th rd contract if he would've blown out his knee like Brandon Thomas.

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A whole lot of players didn't blow out there knee last year. Several of them are going to be top 10 picks in 2014. How many of them shut it down?
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A whole lot of players didn't blow out there knee last year. Several of them are going to be top 10 picks in 2014. How many of them shut it down?
It really doesn't matter what other players did.

What matters is Clowney will be a top 5 pick and his family should be well taken care of for the rest of their lives.
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A whole lot of players didn't blow out there knee last year. Several of them are going to be top 10 picks in 2014. How many of them shut it down?
None of which could of went straight out of high school into the NFL.
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On Saturday, Clowney has been hobbling around the field with a foot injury he aggravated against Georgia. It originally happened this week at practice, when a teammate stepped on Clowney.

The situation demonstrates the reality that Clowney had nothing to gain and everything to lose by playing another year of football for no compensation other than an education Clowney could have paid for on his own (a few hundred times over) after his NFL career ends. Many, including the head coach who gets paid millions for the effort expended and risk accepted by college football players, scoffed at the notion of Clowney heading to the clubhouse for his third season after graduating high school. But it would have been better to step aside from play-for-no-pay and remain at the top of the draft than to emerge from the new football season on the wrong end of a Barkley-Brohm board slide.

The millionaire coaches who have no incentive to advise a player like Clowney to quit are only part of the problem. The NFL rule that keeps kids from joining the leagye until they are three years removed from high school isn’t about ensuring boys have become men.



There were absolutely zero questions about him before 2013. So who is the real Clowney? The 2013 Clowney or the one who played lights out for years before 2013? I can't fault a guy for doing exactly what 99.9% of other people would of done in his situation. It was an unusual set of circumstances that led up to the poor year IMO.

IMO there is no way you pass on him unless you get an incredible trade down offer or OB feels like one of the top QB's could run his system at a very very high level eventually.
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That's not exactly a good argument for a pro-draft Clowney agenda. The foot injury is clearly the bone spur problem. Assuming no surgery, are we to assume that this injury will flair up post-draft and in the 2014 season? These are the questions that you must ask if you are deciding whether to draft him or not.
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On Saturday, Clowney has been hobbling around the field with a foot injury he aggravated against Georgia. It originally happened this week at practice, when a teammate stepped on Clowney.

The situation demonstrates the reality that Clowney had nothing to gain and everything to lose by playing another year of football for no compensation other than an education Clowney could have paid for on his own (a few hundred times over) after his NFL career ends. Many, including the head coach who gets paid millions for the effort expended and risk accepted by college football players, scoffed at the notion of Clowney heading to the clubhouse for his third season after graduating high school. But it would have been better to step aside from play-for-no-pay and remain at the top of the draft than to emerge from the new football season on the wrong end of a Barkley-Brohm board slide.

The millionaire coaches who have no incentive to advise a player like Clowney to quit are only part of the problem. The NFL rule that keeps kids from joining the leagye until they are three years removed from high school isn’t about ensuring boys have become men.



There were absolutely zero questions about him before 2013. So who is the real Clowney? The 2013 Clowney or the one who played lights out for years before 2013? I can't fault a guy for doing exactly what 99.9% of other people would of done in his situation. It was an unusual set of circumstances that led up to the poor year IMO.

IMO there is no way you pass on him unless you get an incredible trade down offer or OB feels like one of the top QB's could run his system at a very very high level eventually.
If you go watch last yr,you will see the exact same player as you did as a freshman and a junioor. I've watched enough to know and I can read the same that the metrics guy pointed out 80% of his 13 sacks came as a result of pressure from other players. There ae also indicators that show his sacks come from strictly speed rush,that's pretty much it. Not saying that's the end all be all,but how come that's the only way he gets sacks in college? Against all pro or even good tackles who realize you can't d aything but speed rush, they just double kick and set on your speed just like those future barbers were doing.
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You should read the article.

[i]“Looking at him this year compared to last year, it seemed like last year every single play was balls to the wall, hell on wheels,” says the AFC executive. “This year, there’s a lot of plays where he comes off the ball super hard, and if the ball is away he just kind of chills and watches the play. There’s definitely going to be some questions about that.”
They saw what I saw. It isnt that he stopped sprinting after the play was out of reach. I saw several times where the play was very much in his area (and even came back to him), but due to lack of pursuit went for a big gain after being stuffed initially by other defensive players. In other words, if he kept after it, he very likely would have made the play, but after giving up too early, he took himself out of it.

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There were absolutely zero questions about him before 2013. So who is the real Clowney? The 2013 Clowney or the one who played lights out for years before 2013? I can't fault a guy for doing exactly what 99.9% of other people would of done in his situation. It was an unusual set of circumstances that led up to the poor year IMO.
Those millionaire coaches aren't supposed to be concerned about their players after college. Their job is to win, win now, and win repeatedly.

There's a reason there are questions about his motivation. The only real stat that was "up" for him in 2013 was Passes defensed. If it had just been sacks, or just been tackles, that'd be less to hang the hat on.

He certainly has the physical tools to be a success. The question is between his ears, and not about his football smarts either. What motivates him, what drives him, how much does he truly want to be one of the best?
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They saw what I saw. It isnt that he stopped sprinting after the play was out of reach. I saw several times where the play was very much in his area (and even came back to him), but due to lack of pursuit went for a big gain after being stuffed initially by other defensive players. In other words, if he kept after it, he very likely would have made the play, but after giving up too early, he took himself out of.
Could you point me in the direction of one of these plays.
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We've still got 2 weeks to go before the Draft, and my biggest concern here is that with all of this time the guys in O'Brien's team might over think this decision they've got and somehow fail to take the player who is by consensus rated as this years top prospect and one of top talents in recent NFL Drafts.
If the Texans don't want to use the 1.1 on a QB and if they have no serious concerns about Clowney re injuries, their Draft decision on who to pick with the 1.1 should be obvious unless they can negotiate a trade for the pick which is favorable to the team.
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Could you point me in the direction of one of these plays.
Missouri - 12:01 in the 1st, 3:49 in the 1st, 1:30 in the 1st (actually did try to re-engage late), 13:16 in the 3rd.

Others: Nice non attempt at coverage - 2:26 in the 1st.

This is only one game against really good competition.

Don't get me wrong, he also made some FANTASTIC plays in that game. What makes these stand out is that you can see what he's capable on the really great ones, which makes it so apparent when he mails it in on the others.

He has the tools, but it'll take some good coaching to keep the motor revving.
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Tajh Boyd should have dialed it back in 2013. He was practically a lock for a first round pick.
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Tajh Boyd should have dialed it back in 2013. He was practically a lock for a first round pick.
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Missouri - 12:01 in the 1st, 3:49 in the 1st, 1:30 in the 1st (actually did try to re-engage late), 13:16 in the 3rd.

Others: Nice non attempt at coverage - 2:26 in the 1st.

This is only one game against really good competition.

Don't get me wrong, he also made some FANTASTIC plays in that game. What makes these stand out is that you can see what he's capable on the really great ones, which makes it so apparent when he mails it in on the others.

He has the tools, but it'll take some good coaching to keep the motor revving.
Thanks. You don't have a link to that do you? Because I have one and I'm not seeing the same thing that you are. Link

This is the game right? Are you going by actual game time or time on video?
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It really doesn't matter what other players did.

What matters is Clowney will be a top 5 pick and his family should be well taken care of for the rest of their lives.
Huh. You mean the same way that VY's family is right now or Jamarcus Russell? These guys blow their wads all of the time. And Clowney has a ton of motivational question marks the same way that Russell did coming into the draft as far as his character concerns. Clowney was rumored to run around with an entourage all season long. That's a big concern for me for any 1st round pick.
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We've still got 2 weeks to go before the Draft, and my biggest concern here is that with all of this time the guys in O'Brien's team might over think this decision they've got and somehow fail to take the player who is by consensus rated as this years top prospect and one of top talents in recent NFL Drafts.
If the Texans don't want to use the 1.1 on a QB and if they have no serious concerns about Clowney re injuries, their Draft decision on who to pick with the 1.1 should be obvious unless they can negotiate a trade for the pick which is favorable to the team.
It should be obvious on a guy who got 4 sacks? Lol!

You may like the guy, but to act like he is far and away better than guys like Mack, Manziel, Bortles, and Mathews is hilarious. You are basing all of this stuff on his so called potential, and not what he actually did in his final year. All of these other guys actually showed up and had monster seasons.
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Thanks. You don't have a link to that do you?
Youtube blocked on my work PC. I think it came up as "clowney full game missouri 2013"
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It should be obvious on a guy who got 4 sacks? Lol!
JJ Watt only had seven his last year. Lol!
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JJ Watt only had seven his last year. Lol!
And Watt wasn't talked about like the next coming of god either. However, Watt was talked about as being a great hard working guy who had ZERO character concerns and ZERO motivational issues. He was known as a guy who had a tremendous motor that never stopped going.

Clowney on the other hand all types of motivation questions from scouts, coaches, and fans who watched him.

Silly comparison to say the least. I'll take the high motor player that goes all out on every play over the freak athlete who lacks motivation and has an ego any day of the week.
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Watched the game tape? Well if that's the case, you clearly didn't watch it. If you did, you'd understand all of the criticism from tons of people across the country. To deny that any of it is relevant is laughable. You go watch the tape for yourself instead of listening to ESPN analysts choke on themselves over his size and stature. That won't do anything in the NFL if you aren't a high motor player at that position, and he clearly wasn't. Funny though, how many of you like to just deny that it exists at all for some reason, but yet you don't hear any of that stuff about a guy like Mack or even Barr for that matter. It's all over the place on CLowney. But people just need to watch the tape right? Lol!
So here's a question for ya', man: NFL teams are seeing the same game tape and one of them will probably make Clowney a top 5 pick, so do you think pro scouts and NFL front offices do not understand what they are seeing?

We can dismiss the media and fans, but at the end of the day, professional football teams are looking at this player as a very high draft prospect. I have very little doubt that several teams in the first ten picks will grab him if he is available, so it is not like one team just doesn't get it. And I honestly doubt any of these teams listen to "draft experts" in the media or fan boards/radio shows.

btw, don't blast me, I don't have a dog in this hunt. I'm looking forward to the draft to finally root for whoever they pick,
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