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Old 04-21-2014   #2561
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I'm glad others are calling Hodge out.
To no effect. Nolan Nawrocki has been called out for his hatchet jobs for years now, but he continues. ESPN wants headlines. Hoge makes headlines.

No matter. Decision makers don't listen to the Hoge/Bayless types. Prospects just need to keep their heads down and move on.
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Schefter and Mort are the only 2 espn heads I will listen to when they talk/tweet. Other than them, espn's good for highlights and games. Anything else is BS, including all their ridiculous shows.
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Should clarify that Schefter said he doesn't necessarily expect those 4 to go in that order. But expects some combination of them in Top 4.

ESPN's Adam Schefter said he expects Jadeveon Clowney, Greg Robinson, Khalil Mack, and Sammy Watkins to be the first 4 picks in the draft.
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Those are the four best players.
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I'd be perfectly fine with that. I wouldn't mind us drafting any of those guys #1.
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"Right now, today, he's a damn-good NFL player, no matter what," a veteran NFC personnel executive said. "The kid could've started in the NFL his freshman year, the way he played. It's not that he doesn't have good tape. And if you hit on him, he's Reggie White. His God-given talent is better than 99 percent of the NFL. ... He's gonna be 275 to 285 pounds, and he moves like he's 250. If you hit on him, he changes the game."
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"What are you buying?" another NFC personnel exec said. "I'm not sure. He can be a big-time player, but is he gonna be? The wiring, the motor, the questions about shutting it down -- it's really scary. It's boom or bust. I don't know how important football is to him."
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Trevor Moawad worked with Clowney for eight weeks before the 2014 NFL Scouting Combine, and then four days leading up to his pro day in South Carolina, so admittedly, his sample size is limited. What he saw, though, was a kid he believes has the drive to be great.

Proof? He'll point you to the 40-yard dash that Clowney ran in Indianapolis. And it's not the freakish 4.53 time that Moawad wants to highlight. It's the form he exhibited -- "He looked like Usain Bolt" -- that, to the trainer, served as proof positive of a player committed to being the very best.

"I'd heard the same things everyone else did -- that the kid was all aptitude," said Moawad, vice president of pro and elite sports at EXOS (formerly known as Athletes Performance). "And that's not what I saw."

Moawad continued, "If you believe in your ability as a head coach and your ability as a coaching staff, you'll have no problem taking the kid. I felt the effort we got from him for his combine preparation was 100 percent."

At EXOS, Clowney's path to greatness has been broken down into three parts.

Aptitude comes first, and Clowney has that in spades. His straight-ahead speed is proven, and Moawad said what was really eye-popping was seeing "the lateral agility of a second baseman."

Second is knowledge and education. That part will come down to Clowney's ability to stay in his playbook, and digest what he's being taught and apply it on the field. If the job he did in honing his track form before the combine is any indication, Clowney certainly has the athletic intelligence to get that done.

Third comes a player's desire to be great. And that's where the environment he's about to enter becomes key.

"I think being dominant is important to him," Moawad said. "He's always been at the top, he expects to be there at the next level. He'll recognize quickly -- when he gets around players that are much better than they were, even in the SEC -- what it takes to be great at that level. He hasn't always had to work as hard to be better than everyone else. Maybe he didn't maximize his ability at times (last) year, but he was still that much better than anyone else. That's the duality of it. He gets to the NFL, that'll change."
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"You wanna find out if he wants to be great," an AFC personnel executive said. "There's a difference between good and great. He can be good on that talent, and you want to find out if he can live on being good. It takes a unique individual to be great. You gotta buy into everything that goes with being a pro -- the work ethic, the preparation. There are things you gotta do. Some guys are OK doing just enough."

And with the truly great athletes, the AFC exec continued, environment looms large: "It's your culture, your football culture. What's the room like? Who's in there who can mentor him? What leadership is present in the building? Who can take him to the next level? That's what you're asking."
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"The comparison you'd make is he's a Peppers type," the AFC exec said. "Julius Peppers, you would probably say, had a good professional career, but you'd hesitate to say great. If that's the floor, then I think you're OK. And the ceiling is high for this kid. People aren't sure what you're getting long term because of the discrepancy between his sophomore and junior years. But all the physical traits you look for in a defensive end or outside linebacker are there. ... Athletically, he's rare."
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An NFC executive told NFL Media reporter Albert Breer that the questions surrounding South Carolina DE Jadeveon Clowney are "really scary."

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An NFC executive told NFL Media reporter Albert Breer that the questions surrounding South Carolina DE Jadeveon Clowney are "really scary."

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"What are you buying?" the NFC personnel exec told Breer. "I'm not sure. He can be a big-time player, but is he gonna be? The wiring, the motor, the questions about shutting it down -- it's really scary. It's boom or bust. I don't know how important football is to him." A different NFC executive interviewed for the same story doesn't have as many concerns about the 6-foot-6, 266-pound freak who can run a 4.53 40-yard dash. "Right now, today, he's a damn-good NFL player, no matter what," a different NFC executive told Breer. "The kid could've started in the NFL his freshman year, the way he played. It's not that he doesn't have good tape. And if you hit on him, he's Reggie White. His God-given talent is better than 99 percent of the NFL. ... He's gonna be 275 to 285 pounds, and he moves like he's 250. If you hit on him, he changes the game.
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I wonder if Clowney can be like Shawne Merriman.
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let's show the entire quote, texian...not just your little twist to it.
That's why I provided the link Trap Star. If I was trying to be underhanded a link would NOT have been provided. Surely you're smart enough to understand that Trap Star.
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That's why I provided the link Trap Star. If I was trying to be underhanded a link would NOT have been provided. Surely you're smart enough to understand that Trap Star.
click the link, the title is misleading.
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click the link, the title is misleading.
Are you a Jackwagon all the time or just late at night?
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Are you a Jackwagon all the time or just late at night?
y u mad tho?

BTW, did you know an NFC executive thinks Clowney can be a Reggie White type player?
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The draft is like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're gonna get until you bite.
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let's learn from the past

- drafting a QB 1st overall didn't work out

- trading for a backup QB didn't work out

- drafting a QB in the 5th round didn't work out

- signing an undrafted free agent QB didn't work out


we are left with drafting in the 1st round (not 1st overall) or 2nd or 3rd or 4th or 6th or 7th or with the "Mr. Irrelevant" pick

Or we could sign a starter freeagent (see denver/manning), or we could trade for a starter (KC/Smith) or we could sign a backup freeagent.


so this would mean no QB at 1.1 and no mallet

let's see what happens
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I wonder if Clowney can be like Shawne Merriman.
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The roided up Merriman or the all natural one? Big difference.
I assume the 4'11" Tila Tequila abusing version.
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The roided up Merriman or the all natural one? Big difference.
Nobody wants the "all natural" one. I want "Lights Out"
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