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Old 04-18-2014   #2501
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Montgomery seems like a really bad comparison. Dude was smoking pot in a hotel bathroom. Why would you think that is more likely to happen with Clowney than a guy who's already been arrested for pot?
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Montgomery seems like a really bad comparison. Dude was smoking pot in a hotel bathroom. Why would you think that is more likely to happen with Clowney than a guy who's already been arrested for pot?
Sam Montgomery's questions coming out of college were motor-related, not drug related. He ended up being a pot-smoker but that wasn't why he dropped in the draft. He was up-front and honest about not being as excited to play lower level competition.
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I really think it's starting to get a little ridiculous when comparisons of Clowney to Sam Montgomery are being made. But if we do take Clowney, he's on the field from day one obviously. So would Watkins if he's our first round pick, but who sits ? Not gonna be AJ, so I guess it's gonna be our 1st round pick from last year, unless you want to run tons of sets with 3 WRs ? But isn't O'brien known to want to use lots of formations with a slot-receiver and multiple TEs ?
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I really think it's starting to get a little ridiculous when comparisons of Clowney to Sam Montgomery are being made.
Why? Are they both SEC defensive linemen with questions about there motors and desire?

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But if we do take Clowney, he's on the field from day one obviously. So would Watkins if he's our first round pick, but who sits ? Not gonna be AJ, so I guess it's gonna be our 1st round pick from last year, unless you want to run tons of sets with 3 WRs ? But isn't O'brien known to want to use lots of formations with a slot-receiver and multiple TEs ?
O'Brien is known for using whatever he has and building an offense around it. They drafted Gronk and Hernandez during his tenure at the Patriots and he crafted an offense around them. But he also had an offense where the top four pass catchers didn't include a TE. If he's got AJ, Watkins, and Hopkins, I'm sure he can find a way to make it work just like Crennel can find a way to make Clowney and Watt work together even if they aren't his prototypical players.
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Clowney never had his S&C coach call him out on twitter. His head coach said he had to tell him to slow down at practice. The vids of him at practice show a guy hitting training sleds so hard he flips them upside down.

Can I go ahead and say that Watkins is going to end up like Peter Warrick? Why not, they are both ACC wide receivers who got into trouble with the law in college.
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Why? Are they both SEC defensive linemen with questions about there motors and desire?
What do you think about pointing to Aldon Smith and saying "that could be Watkins" ?
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O'Brien is known for using whatever he has and building an offense around it. They drafted Gronk and Hernandez during his tenure at the Patriots and he crafted an offense around them. But he also had an offense where the top four pass catchers didn't include a TE. If he's got AJ, Watkins, and Hopkins, I'm sure he can find a way to make it work just like Crennel can find a way to make Clowney and Watt work together even if they aren't his prototypical players.
Exactly, he's known to run sets with multiple TEs. And neither Gronk or Hernandez were first-rounders. And an offense with 3 first round WRs, one being #1 overall and the other being #3 overall at a position that's not a premier position: that's an incredibly mismanagement of resources.
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There is nothing wrong with Clowneys motor.
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CND's take on Clowney's bone spurs (thanks Doc!!)
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Without knowing the numbers or extent, probably anywhere as an average from 3% to 7%. However, depending on the source of the bone spur forming, such as an/the underlying arthritic condition, or the development of chronic nerve irritation/trauma........continuing chronic, possibly progressive pain is fairly common......in as many as 50%. However, it is the extent of continuing pain and tenderness that would dictate if it has significant effect on performance. Keep in mind that bone spurs do not go away or get better, nor does the underlying pathology, such as arthritis or plantar fasciitis........it will only get worse with time.........making surgery less predictable. Also there are no assurances that more bone spurs don't show up in the future. Clowney would probably have been much wiser to have addressed the bone spur(s) as they emerged, much earlier in his football career.
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For those interested, if Clowney has his surgery right after the Draft, depending on how extensive the surgery required is on the bone spurs, his return to running could be anywhere from 6-8 weeks. But expectations for him to be back to full speed with great explosiveness and ability to make sudden changes of speed and direction could easily be from 2-3 months (again depending on the extent of his surgery). If he agrees to have surgery (and I would not pick him if he didn't), he will still have the benefit of a full TC to participate in the system, and be ready at full go for the regular season, barring any complications
So, what do you think Clowney would do? ...get the surgery or not.
Could bone spur pain be the cause of him seemingly "taking plays off"??
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What do you think about pointing to Aldon Smith and saying "that could be Watkins" ?
I have absolutely nothing wrong with that. I have nothing wrong with pointing at Ricky Williams and saying "that could be Watkins".

Because... it could.

OTOH, it could be Clowney, too.

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He's also known to run 3 WR sets. When the Patriots drafted two TE's THAT was considered a mismanagement of resources. Except for the Texans, teams didn't do that. Teams that were wanting a good passing game didn't draft two TEs in the same draft and expect both of them to see the field. What was creative there was that OB (or someone in that Patriots organization) saw a way to put some pieces together in a way that most people didn't use them and thereby create mismatches that most teams could not handle.

It would be the same thing to get two premier WRs and combine them with another very good WR. Teams would not be able to match up.

And that's what this is about. Get the best talent you can and create matchups that other people can't handle.

Now tell me all about how Clowney is going to play McGinest's role in RAC's defense THEN go back and look at how many sacks McGinest got in RAC's defense. Because that's just as much of a mismanagement of talent as Watkins if not more.
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It would be the same thing to get two premier WRs and combine them with another very good WR. Teams would not be able to match up.
To have an offense where your #2 WR is either the #1 overall from the current Draft or your highest paid player on the whole team and the best player on the offense is just crazy. Don't you get that my friend ? There's too many other positions, too many other areas of the team with holes that need attention when it comes to cap resources. WR is already, right now today probably our strongest position area on the whole team.
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To have an offense where your #2 WR is either the #1 overall from the current Draft or your highest paid player on the whole team and the best player on the offense is just crazy. Don't you get that my friend ? There's too many other positions, too many other areas of the team with holes that need attention when it comes to cap resources. WR is already, right now today probably our strongest position area on the whole team.
That may be true but it isn't as if we have a superior WR corps. In fact, we are probably about average. Most teams have depth at receiver, we have none. Every position on this teams needs upgrading.
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Just for the record, I think Evans was the best player in cfb last yr. He was basically unguardable as I've seen a wr since calvin johnson. Will he run those jet sweeps or return punts? Nope,but he snatches everything around him,breaks all kinds of tackles,and it doesn't matter who's on him. Unless u have richard sherman or peterson on him all the time,he's alwas open.
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2500 replies, almost 58 thousand views. I want this thread revisited in a few years when we all know what kinda pro Clowney is. Accountability is a b*tch sometimes.
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To have an offense where your #2 WR is either the #1 overall from the current Draft or your highest paid player on the whole team and the best player on the offense is just crazy. Don't you get that my friend ? There's too many other positions, too many other areas of the team with holes that need attention when it comes to cap resources. WR is already, right now today probably our strongest position area on the whole team.
Behind the concept of drafting BPA is that you never know what's going to happen AND you don't shy away from making a strength stronger.

We don't know how much longer we're going to have AJ. He's approaching his mid-30's and his career today is as long as Torry Holt's entire career. I'd rather have AJ's replacement ready and waiting and trained by AJ. Having two guys who could be the #1 receiver can work really well... just like the Colts had Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne or when the Niners had Jerry Rice and John Taylor or when the Steelers had Stallworth and Swann.

Granted, Hopkins might already have that dual #1 spot. And as I've said over and over, I don't expect them to draft this way. But I think with the creative mind that OB has, he could make it work. Just like he made having two TEs and some small quick slot receivers work for NE.

To this day, I would have drafted Patrick Willis even though we had Demeco Ryans. Because in that draft, the BPA when we drafted was Willis.
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So, what do you think Clowney would do? ...get the surgery or not.
Could bone spur pain be the cause of him seemingly "taking plays off"??
I posted on this as being my impression about 2 weeks ago. Note that this piece was written BEFORE the 2013 season. I have virtually no doubt that these bone spurs had an adverse affect on his 2013 performance.

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Here's a Sept 2013 article I just came across, about his problem and that surgery should have been entertained before now.

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By Barrett Sallee , SEC Football Lead Writer
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As it turns out, maybe South Carolina defensive end Jadeveon Clowney isn't 100 percent after all.

The junior standout had four tackles and a sack in the Gamecocks' 35-25 win over Vanderbilt in Columbia, S.C. on Saturday night, but that wasn't the big story.

Clowney told reporters following the game that he will undergo surgery after the season to remove bone spurs from his right foot.

"It's painful," Clowney said according to Chase Goodbread of NFL.com. "I'm out here playing on it, though, so I'm just trying to give everything I've got on it. Who knows what's going to happen out there? It doesn't really bother me when I am out there much. It's just builds up pain. The more I keep going on it, the more it bothers me."

Clowney's foot has caused him problems in the past, including last season when it forced him out of the Gamecocks' win over Wofford in November. But head coach Steve Spurrier had no idea it was this serious, according to Ryan Wood of the Charleston (S.C) Post and Courier.



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So what should Clowney do?

Obviously he wants to help his team win and get back to the SEC Championship Game, which has eluded him during his first two seasons with the program. But the sure-fire No. 1 draft pick has to keep his future in mind.
At this point in time, being picked should be contingent upon having surgery immediately after the Draft. Otherwise, I don't believe you will be getting the player you are at least hoping you are getting.
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That may be true but it isn't as if we have a superior WR corps. In fact, we are probably about average. Most teams have depth at receiver, we have none. Every position on this teams needs upgrading.
True words there TS.

That's why I'm in the Kahlil Mack corner. I know he comes from a small school but he dominated. He'll do the same as a Pro.

Probably won't happen but I'd sure be aboard. We need pass rushers and I think he'll be a better Pro than JC. I'll sure be watching no matter where he ends up.
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I want this thread revisited in a few years when we all know what kinda pro Clowney is. Accountability is a b*tch sometimes.
Which member shall we hold "accountable" for drafting Clowney? Which one is writing his name on the draft card?

I'm pretty sure no one at 2 Reliant Park will be consulting anyone here on TexansTalk before selecting TB or Bortles or Manziel or Mack or Clowney..... no matter how "loud" they type.
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Which member shall we hold "accountable" for drafting Clowney? Which one writing his name on the draft card?

I'm pretty sure no one at 2 Reliant Park will be consulting anyone here on TexansTalk before selecting TB or Bortles or Manziel or Mack or Clowney..... no matter how "loud" they type.
Professionally I think accountability will happen on it's own. Here however pundits will continue to act as if their sh*t dont stink. Plenty of people here moonlight as experts. Truth is many don't watch film or know thing one about any of these guys. So why fight tooth and nail about it? I have my favorites but I dont pretend to be an expert.

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Professionally I think accountability will happen on it's own. Here however pundits will continue to act as if their sh*t dont stink. Plenty of people here moonlight as experts. Truth is many don't watch film or know thing one about any of these guys. So why fight tooth and nail about it? I have my favorites but I dont pretend to be an expert.

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