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Old 04-06-2014   #2181
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The deal breaker should be his pathetic production. I mean, aaron donald was doubled and schemed against,yet he dominated. Von sacks went down,yet his tfls and tackles went up. This is jake locker to me all over. I don't care about a guy jumping bags grabbing tennis balls. How does that help him get off a block and sack/harrass the qb?
Not doing the research but I believe Bruce Smith had 5 sacks as a Sr. at Va. Tech.

He had a pretty good career.
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Clowney=Mercilus (sit on the bench for year #1) except he will play at Antonio's position.
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Not doing the research but I believe Bruce Smith had 5 sacks as a Sr. at Va. Tech.

He had a pretty good career.
Bruce Smith has 22 sacks in one season at Va Tech which is 2 less than Clowneys career total. Bruce also had 71 tfl for over 500yds, but let's not bring that up. Btw, smith had 46 sacks in college. Its not even close. If you watch the tape of clowney from his freshman yr until now,he looks the exact same. His areas of weakness as a freshman still looks the same as a jr. Even his sophmore yr wen he had better production sack wise,his technique is still a huge question mark. Von Miller got better every yr even his last despite a small dip in his sack production. As stated before, I'm still puzzled on how so called analyst raise or drop guys based on pro days. Clowney is the type of guy who will always win getting off the bus with his shirt off. He will always look good doing drills in an open environment. His struggles are just effort on the field. I don't by into the notion guys can play redline all game and run down every play down the field. Richard Dent was known for not chasing every play. I just wanna know why clowney couldn't get off blocks? I wanna know why clowney couldn't transition his rush. I wanna know why even in a wide 9 he couldn't bend. That agle to the qb? When I didn't get the answers, I went back to his 2 previous seasons and guess what? He couldn't do those things either. These defencient areas were not 1 yr deals,they're consistent with his play.
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Not doing the research but I believe Bruce Smith had 5 sacks as a Sr. at Va. Tech.

He had a pretty good career.
Yeah, well being flippant about research doesn't pay off.

As a senior Bruce Smith gained 25 lbs and had an "off" season with 16 sacks.

You were saying?
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If the Texans take Clowney and get production similar the MW per injury I'm ok. I just have major concerns that some people are saying Peppers lite and I'm seeing Vernon Ghoulston 2.0. I'm not seeing the safest pick or who will probably have the best career. To me that's Robinson and Watkins. If they're not going QB at one, I'd prefer one of those two.

My bigger concern isn't just his athleticism translating to the NFL more so the domino effect is has on who gets selected as a QB in this draft. Value shopping at the spot does not appeal to me at all. Of the second tier guys Jimmy G might have what it takes and Murray could be a Russell Wilson type gem in the third or fourth. Outside of that the prospects seem meh, but the guy in this class that is going to break hearts is Mettenberger. I want no part of drafting him.
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I apologize,

I misinterpreted what you were saying.

Are the bone spurs a deal breaker for you and Clowney at 1-1?
Not a deal breaker..........just would only do so with the understanding the bone spur surgery would not be put off anymore (as it has been for the past few years).
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If the Texans take Clowney and get production similar the MW per injury I'm ok. I just have major concerns that some people are saying Peppers lite and I'm seeing Vernon Ghoulston 2.0. I'm not seeing the safest pick or who will probably have the best career. To me that's Robinson and Watkins. If they're not going QB at one, I'd prefer one of those two.

My bigger concern isn't just his athleticism translating to the NFL more so the domino effect is has on who gets selected as a QB in this draft. Value shopping at the spot does not appeal to me at all. Of the second tier guys Jimmy G might have what it takes and Murray could be a Russell Wilson type gem in the third or fourth. Outside of that the prospects seem meh, but the guy in this class that is going to break hearts is Mettenberger. I want no part of drafting him.
Not so fast there about Robinson, because even though he's off the planet when it comes to being a run-blocker, he's really got rather limited experience as a pass-blocker do to the kind of offense Auburn operates out of and so IMO there's some real uncertainty about him being a potential #1 overall value ? Re Watkins, he's a tremendous prospect, has everything except ideal size as a potential #1 WR, but receivers aren't at a position worthy of being rated of premium value.
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Default Re: Clowney, then what?

I'm spending several hours today watching clips on draftbreakdown.com, and I just finished the South Carolina/UCF game. The Clowney gets doubled teamed every down is as mythological as the Mario Williams gets double-teamed every down.

They are scheming against him, but he's doubled about 30%, and gets a small chip another 30%. I'm assuming that will hold up with other games, but we'll see.
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Bruce Smith has 22 sacks in one season at Va Tech which is 2 less than Clowneys career total. Bruce also had 71 tfl for over 500yds, but let's not bring that up. Btw, smith had 46 sacks in college. Its not even close. If you watch the tape of clowney from his freshman yr until now,he looks the exact same. His areas of weakness as a freshman still looks the same as a jr. Even his sophmore yr wen he had better production sack wise,his technique is still a huge question mark. Von Miller got better every yr even his last despite a small dip in his sack production. As stated before, I'm still puzzled on how so called analyst raise or drop guys based on pro days. Clowney is the type of guy who will always win getting off the bus with his shirt off. He will always look good doing drills in an open environment. His struggles are just effort on the field. I don't by into the notion guys can play redline all game and run down every play down the field. Richard Dent was known for not chasing every play. I just wanna know why clowney couldn't get off blocks? I wanna know why clowney couldn't transition his rush. I wanna know why even in a wide 9 he couldn't bend. That agle to the qb? When I didn't get the answers, I went back to his 2 previous seasons and guess what? He couldn't do those things either. These defencient areas were not 1 yr deals,they're consistent with his play.
Clowney's teammates/ex-teammates/coaches don't seem to share your concerns.
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I'm spending several hours today watching clips on draftbreakdown.com, and I just finished the South Carolina/UCF game. The Clowney gets doubled teamed every down is as mythological as the Mario Williams gets double-teamed every down.

They are scheming against him, but he's doubled about 30%, and gets a small chip another 30%. I'm assuming that will hold up with other games, but we'll see.
Getting extra attention 60% of the time and while watching how many time when they weren't giving extra attention to Clowney did they trap/run/screen away from him?

Using your numbers Clowney /Watt seems like a pretty formidable duo.
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Yeah, well being flippant about research doesn't pay off.

As a senior Bruce Smith gained 25 lbs and had an "off" season with 16 sacks.

You were saying?
Not flippant,

Just lazy
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Not flippant,

Just lazy
I'll admit it was harder to find than normal. For some reason most sources lump his college stats together. Finally dawned on me to check the College Football HoF.
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Clowney's teammates/ex-teammates/coaches don't seem to share your concerns.
To be fair, David Carr's teammates / coaches thought the world of him too.

It's all a big crapshoot. Even moreso when your production dips very noticeably.
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Getting extra attention 60% of the time and while watching how many time when they weren't giving extra attention to Clowney did they trap/run/screen away from him?

Using your numbers Clowney /Watt seems like a pretty formidable duo.
So devin taylor and sutton were scrubs? You're reaching like bruce smith 5 sacks as a senior.
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So devin taylor and sutton were scrubs? You're reaching like bruce smith 5 sacks as a senior.
Gotta say South Carolina had a pretty salty defense. With Clowney as the lynchpin.
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Did you take your brain out to play with it .... and lose it ?!
No, but I didn't say what I meant very well. If the Texans draft Clowney in the first round, he will probably not be thought of as an OLB. He will be a DE. If he is drafted as a OLB he will spend his first year as a sub.

He will be probably thought of a replacement for B Reed, when the team may cut Reed loose as a FE, as they did when they drafted Mercilous as a replacement for Connor.

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No, but I didn't say what I meant very well. If the Texans draft Clowney in the first round, he will probably not be thought of as an OLB. He will be a DE. If he is drafted as a OLB he will spend his first year as a sub.

He will be probably thought of a replacement for B Reed, when the team may cut Reed loose as a FE, as they did when they drafted Mercilous as a replacement for Connor.
They aren't going to take clowney #1 overall and have him be brooks reed's sub. Not happening.

And the regime that drafted Mercilus to sit and learn isn't here anymore. The "they" that did that is no longer relevant.
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