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Old 04-03-2014   #2061
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Your logic is on point. If there are only "good" QBs who are likely to turn into shoot you take Clowney.

However, you speak as if this is a fact, that they are all just good. What if I told you that I don't agree with your opinion that you are pushing as fact?

This thread has gone on for over 100 pages and this same post you just wrote has been written on every single one of those 100 pages.

I just want to break it to you and the next guy that posts this same exact thing on page 104. Your opinion is not fact.

If everybody in this draft sucks and Clowney is the only good person in the draft, I will draft Clowney with my #1 pick. Boom! Game changing analysis for you.
I'd tell you that anyone who takes anything I say on this subject as fact is a fool. I'm a fan. I don't do mock drafts, nobody pays me for my opinion, and I am frequently wrong. If I sound as though I think this is a fact then that is merely because it is the way I see this and I feel strongly about it. That's really all. Everyone on here is voicing an opinion and they're all making their case for why their particular opinion is probably right. I'm no different.

Don't get so wound up about it. You don't know a ****ing thing and neither do I. I understand that. Do you?
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No I wouldn't make a Julio trade . The reason Atlanta is still is suffering today is because of giving up so much for Julio. Five picks is just to many and why give up any picks at all when you don't have to. I am also of the opinion that Jeremiah Attaochu could be a better NFL player than Clowney. Giving up 5 picks for a WR was absurd.
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I think Atlanta should be our trade target. They could use Clowney in the worst way, he's from the region so it might help with bringing Gamecock fans from the Panthers over to the Falcons, and they have a history of doing this. If we could end up with 13 picks or so I'd be ecstatic.
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I'd tell you that anyone who takes anything I say on this subject as fact is a fool. I'm a fan. I don't do mock drafts, nobody pays me for my opinion, and I am frequently wrong. If I sound as though I think this is a fact then that is merely because it is the way I see this and I feel strongly about it. That's really all. Everyone on here is voicing an opinion and they're all making their case for why their particular opinion is probably right. I'm no different.

Don't get so wound up about it. You don't know a ****ing thing and neither do I. I understand that. Do you?
Good post, Herv. +Rep.
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See,this is me. I don't have to create excuses for jf,bb,or tb even with a bad game here or there. For some reason,we have Neo of college football,yet his teammates trumped him in every defensive category. Now before the defenders of supafreak starts lying about the doubles and line shift, von miler had moore and porter and neither trumped his production. Mario played with manny lawson and tank tyler and neither trumped his production. Peppers had guys on the line with him,again none trumped his production. Kelcy Quarles had more tackles,tfls and trippled his sack production,but it was because of clowney?

See,this is my big issue. I'm 43, and I've never seen a supposed top pick have to be defended like clowney.Imagine if luck would've thrown for 50% and 2k yds with a upside td/int ratio. We have never had a so called top prospect have such a dog of a year and people are acting like it didn't happen. We're not talking about ansah who was came from another country and didn't even play football until track wasn't a option. We're talking about a guy whom we've known about since he was 13. If people were being honest and watched his 2012 games like I did,you will see the same guy.The diference was teams realize what he can't do which is what nfl teams will. We've seen mark anderson get 12 sacks as a rookie upfield rusher then be basically avg after that. We've seen kearse go from the freak to just a guy because of no counter move. The trend on clowney is going the wrong direction.

On a side note, no team will double clowney until he proves he can beat single blocks. If you've watched enough games of clowney, you will know he has trouble doing it even at the college level. Go watch his 4.5 sack performance vs clemson in 2012.
Spectacular post! I really don't get how more posters don't see it like this.

Like you said, I have never seen a guy raved about like Clowney that people have had to make this many excuses for. As the article I posted yesterday said, Clowney has no pass rush moves except what they call his slap and arm-over move.

I am no draft expert. I am not claiming that I am. But I just can't imagine drafting a guy a 1.1 that had 3 sacks as a pass rushing defensive end. It just seems silly to me. Clowney is nearly every bit the project that Johnny Manziel is. The only thing with Johnny is there are ZERO questions regarding his heart. Talk about character concerns all you want (which I still find ridiculous) but there is not one objective person that has ever watched him, played against him, or played with him that would ever question his heart. Can the same be said about Clowney? No.
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Clowney is nearly every bit the project that Johnny Manziel is. The only thing with Johnny is there are ZERO questions regarding his heart. Talk about character concerns all you want (which I still find ridiculous) but there is not one objective person that has ever watched him, played against him, or played with him that would ever question his heart. Can the same be said about Clowney? No.
Uh... Clowney is 6'6"
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I think Atlanta should be our trade target. They could use Clowney in the worst way, he's from the region so it might help with bringing Gamecock fans from the Panthers over to the Falcons, and they have a history of doing this. If we could end up with 13 picks or so I'd be ecstatic.

Trading up from 6 to 1 would probably cost more than two extra picks I would think. I'm all for trading back though, it needs to happen.
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Spectacular post! I really don't get how more posters don't see it like this.

Like you said, I have never seen a guy raved about like Clowney that people have had to make this many excuses for. As the article I posted yesterday said, Clowney has no pass rush moves except what they call his slap and arm-over move.

I am no draft expert. I am not claiming that I am. But I just can't imagine drafting a guy a 1.1 that had 3 sacks as a pass rushing defensive end. It just seems silly to me. Clowney is nearly every bit the project that Johnny Manziel is. The only thing with Johnny is there are ZERO questions regarding his heart. Talk about character concerns all you want (which I still find ridiculous) but there is not one objective person that has ever watched him, played against him, or played with him that would ever question his heart. Can the same be said about Clowney? No.
Maybe you don't get it bro....

I'm no expert.... but Clowney is the greatest athlete to ever enter the NFL draft and there will never be anyone else like him. No one is comparable to him. He doesn't need swim moves or bend cause he doesn't need them to still be the greatest ever. Have you seen that hit he put on the Michigan RB in 2012? 2013 didn't count dude, double teams, playing not to get hurt, schemed against, sad cause Lattimore broke his leg, not his fault, sick, ramble ramble. Since we don't need to spend #1 on a RT or another WR and all the QBs suck by default you take the guy who will be all pro for the next 12 years.

I hope you were taking notes son, you just got schooled.
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Maybe you don't get it bro....

I'm no expert.... but Clowney is the greatest athlete to ever enter the NFL draft and there will never be anyone else like him. No one is comparable to him. He doesn't need swim moves or bend cause he doesn't need them to still be the greatest ever. Have you seen that hit he put on the Michigan RB in 2012? 2013 didn't count dude, double teams, playing not to get hurt, schemed against, sad cause Lattimore broke his leg, not his fault, sick, ramble ramble. Since we don't need to spend #1 on a RT or another WR and all the QBs suck by default you take the guy who will be all pro for the next 12 years.

I hope you were taking notes son, you just got schooled.
The thing is, every top prospect has warts. Some maybe more than Clowney, some less. Every one of them gets their fair share of defenders glossing over their weak points and pumping up their strong points.

Maybe Clowney has more excuses made for his weak points than others, maybe not. It's really hard to quantify since none of us have access to the same excuse-o-meter that y'all are using to validate your opinions.
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How many play off games did Atlanta win before they drafted Julio Jones?
and as a result of their win NOW at all cost strategy, what # draft pick do they've today?
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Even jumping bags, Clowney wows 'em; LINK

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Taneyhill, now the head coach of Union (S.C.) High School, stood there and shook his head.

"Just wow!" he said.

Every team in the NFL needs a "wow" player, but none more than the Houston Texans, who have the first pick of the draft. As Clowney reminded, he has never been a part of a losing team and South Carolina never won more than 10 games before he arrived.

The Gamecocks were 11-2 every year he was there.
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Uh... Clowney is 6'6"
Huh? I said "heart" not "height." Did I miss something?

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Maybe you don't get it bro....

I'm no expert.... but Clowney is the greatest athlete to ever enter the NFL draft and there will never be anyone else like him. No one is comparable to him. He doesn't need swim moves or bend cause he doesn't need them to still be the greatest ever. Have you seen that hit he put on the Michigan RB in 2012? 2013 didn't count dude, double teams, playing not to get hurt, schemed against, sad cause Lattimore broke his leg, not his fault, sick, ramble ramble. Since we don't need to spend #1 on a RT or another WR and all the QBs suck by default you take the guy who will be all pro for the next 12 years.

I hope you were taking notes son, you just got schooled.
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As far as "interviews" go, Clowney's was as strong as anyone else. I think the key is that his was not scripted. He had to follow instructions from pro coaches and did not know what he was going to be asked to do before his pro day. And just about everyone came away convinced that the "heart question" has been resolved and is now a non-issue.
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As far as "interviews" go, Clowney's was as strong as anyone else. I think the key is that his was not scripted. He had to follow instructions from pro coaches and did not know what he was going to be asked to do before his pro day. And just about everyone came away convinced that the "heart question" has been resolved and is now a non-issue.
It's funny how pro days and interviews don't convince anyone of anything in regards to Manziel. But somehow with Clowney, it addresses all of the concerns.
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It's funny how pro days and interviews don't convince anyone of anything in regards to Manziel. But somehow with Clowney, it addresses all of the concerns.
It's a lot harder to pick up tennis balls on the run after jumping over bags than it is to run around a broom. Just sayin.
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If there's no trade, I would be very surprised if Clowney wasn't the pick. Antonio was let to walk. JJ can't do it by himself. I really think Houston would be the best organization for Clowney to be drafted to. The class and work ethic from O'Brien and Watt would have to rub off on him. Clowney probably wouldn't feel like the spotlight was solely on him. The defense would be immediately upgraded and gives OB more possessions with the ball (Does anyone else love the idea of OB calling the plays? Balls. He has them.)

It just makes too much sense for me.
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I', sure Josenna Clowney, Jadeven's mother, is probably cheering those millions of fans out there fixing to knock those Doritos off Manziel's shoulder...........she'll enjoy her work that much more..............she's a processing technician at the Frito-Lay plant in nearby Charlotte............she helps make Doritos.
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Judging by the analysts on NFLN, they both convinced people on their pro days.
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It's a lot harder to pick up tennis balls on the run after jumping over bags than it is to run around a broom. Just sayin.
It's a lot harder to hit a receiver in stride 40 yards downfield while rolling out than it is to jump over bags....even picking up balls as you run afterward. Just sayin.
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It's a lot harder to hit a receiver in stride 40 yards downfield while rolling out than it is to jump over bags....even picking up balls as you run afterward. Just sayin.
I just wish Clowney would of came out with his helmet and shoulder pads on. Then there would be no question who should go number one.
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Judging by the analysts on NFLN, they both convinced people on their pro days.
I'm cool with that, as long as people are consistent. I won't name names, but there have been those on the board that ranted against using pro days and interviews to justify drafting a player, but then claim Clowney's pro day sealed the deal. Just remain consistent.

As for me, yes Clowney had a good pro day and good interviews. He said all the right things. But when I look at the stats and the tape, I see an athletic freak that commits to the bull rush or the speed rush but really has no counter moves when the offensive line adjusts.
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