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Old 12-22-2013   #21
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No. AJ needs to stay here and drop balls that are right in his hands.
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According to spotrac.com, the Texans could move (trade or cut) AJ in 2014 without any cap hit... meaning the Texans could save $12 million under next year's cap, and a similar number in his remaining years.

Assuming this is accurate, I'm interested in your thoughts on this possibility. Given the wide range of views regarding the team's current cap health, talent level, etc... I'm interested in simply reading the various thoughts on this idea.

I'm not sure what I think. Clearly, a lot will depend on the new coaching staff and the direction the coach wants to move... and also on AJ's attitude towards the forth-coming changes. Also, given that we will likely cut or trade OD this off-season for $6 million in cap savings, would moving AJ also be detrimental to the develop of a rookie QB's development? Or, perhaps it is a good idea to have WRs and a young QB develop together instead of a rookie QB being awestruck and over-dependent upon an All-pro veteran. I'm not sure.

How would other veterans perceive this move? Do we care? Will winning next season be a primary goal in the off-season or will 2014 be viewed as a reset?

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what is all this dumb talk i hear about trading away AJ, not calling you dumb D, but serioulsy people. As bad as this season has been i imagine AJ still plans to finish his career here. Look at KC this season, this team is just a good QB and few other spots away from being a very good team.
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No. AJ needs to stay here and drop balls that are right in his hands.
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No. AJ needs to stay here and drop balls that are right in his hands.
Yea, that's what I'm thinking. Based on what I saw today, I dunno if Andre could
make the Broncos team given their talent at WR and his ineptness catching the ball.
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And on cue the wishy washy worst fans in football find a waybto criticize the lone bright spot on this team currently and in its history. You scumbags are disgusting.
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I just went with the easy math but your are right. There are 1M roster bonuses each year that account for the differences in our numbers. Same conclusion though, no cap value in getting rid of Andre.
Rats. I was going to say yes when you talked about 12 million. Now a trade doesn't look attractive.
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And on cue the wishy washy worst fans in football find a waybto criticize the lone bright spot on this team currently and in its history. You scumbags are disgusting.
Point out the wishy washy fans.
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Point out the wishy washy fans.
Most of the most outrageous suggestions are from people who don't understand the Cap. They feel free to criticize the GM with no clue about what he really does.

Here is a list of relatively safe players for 2014 strictly because of their contract structure:

Bryan Cushing ($12.95M) This means it would cost almost $13M against the cap to cut him.

Duane Brown ($5M)

DeAndre Hopkins ($3M+)

Whitney Mercilus ($1M-)

D J Swearinger ($300K-)

This is a list of players at risk because of Salary Cap Savings:

Daniel Manning $4.5M

Owen Daniels $4.5M

Matt Schaub $4M

Jonathan Joseph $3.75M

Chris Meyers $3M

Kareem Jackson $1.7M-

Shane Lechler $1.4M+

Brooks Reed $1M+

Arian Foster $1M

Everyone else is close enough to their replacement cost to be judged on their football prowess and not salary cap considerations.

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You know what? There is not too much that the Texans can be 100% proud of. AJ is. He is a sure hall of fame player, consistent as hell, he loves the Texans and is just a class act. Keeping AJ is about more than just production and salary cap implications - it is about giving the greatest player in our history the treatment he deserves.
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This is a list of players at risk because of Salary Cap Savings:

Daniel Manning $4.5M

Owen Daniels $4.5M

Matt Schaub $4M

Jonathan Joseph $3.75M


Chris Meyers $3M

Kareem Jackson $1.7M-

Shane Lechler $1.4M+

Brooks Reed $1M+

Arian Foster $1M

Everyone else is close enough to their replacement cost to be judged on their football prowess and not salary cap considerations.
The ones in red are gone IMO.
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I also recommend extending JJ Watt's contract this year rather than waiting for 2015. It should look something like this which requires just under $7M extra cap space in 2014: Signing bonus and First year guaranteed making it 42% guaranteed. He would be secure through 2017 due to cap hit considerations, but Houston could make a change after four years if the unexpected happens.

six year (or five year extension) - [$40M signing bonus]
2014 - $2M + [$8M BS Cap Hit]
2015 - $10M + [$8M BS Cap Hit]
2016 - $12M + [$8M BS Cap Hit]
2017 - $12M + [$8M BS Cap Hit]
2018 - $12M + [$8M BS Cap Hit]
2010 - $12M
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The ones in red are gone IMO.
I don't think Joseph or Reed is gone. Everything I've heard players say about Reed is that he does a very good job doing what he is asked to do.
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If the Texans want to be dead to me all they need to do is trade or cut the best player in franchise history like the Oiler's did with Earl Campbell.
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I don't think Joseph or Reed is gone. Everything I've heard players say about Reed is that he does a very good job doing what he is asked to do.
While the players noted are at risk, they still have to see what they get in the draft to determine whether they have an adequate replacement. I think we already have ODs replacement and will have Schaub's replacement. Manning and Joseph would take pretty good replacements before I'd let them go.
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13 loses in a row isn't bad enough, we have to beat this originally built out of dog poo, dead horse some more?

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The ones in red are gone IMO.
If Lovie comes in, I would expect Danieal Manning to return. Having his experience in Lovie's system, would justify that cap savings, I think.

Brooks Reed would likely be gone if we moved into a 4-3- doesn't make sense to invest the time/hope that he could learn an new position as he headed into the last year of his deal... Sure, he could play DE in a 4-3. However, Watt will play some DE in a 4-3, Mercilus is signed for 3 more years- is a better pass rusher and better player with hand down against the run... So, I don't see a natural fit for him.

J.Jo could go either way... My guess is he would stay unless the new staff is critical of him and believe he can/should be replaced by a veteran in the FA market for relatively little money ($2-$3 million/year)... McCain is likely to be cut... BHarris is in his last year and could be cut for $1 million is cap savings... that doesn't leave much on the roster at CB.
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I don't think Joseph or Reed is gone. Everything I've heard players say about Reed is that he does a very good job doing what he is asked to do.
Reed is still playing his rookie contract right?
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Reed is still playing his rookie contract right?
I think so, final year in 2014?
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