Respect for the backup qb's? - Houston Texans Message Board & Forum

TexansR#1 · 07-14-2005

I was just reading something on cbssportline about the best backup qb's in the league, and they did not mention once Tony Banks or Dave Ragone? Tony Banks stepped in when David Carr was hurt and I believe lead us to 3 victories one i think even was against Buffalo when David first went down with the shoulder injury. I think he deserves more appreciation for what he did for the Texans with all the injuries. I know Ragone hasnt had much expericence at Qb with Banks being there and alos being behind Carr, but dosent he deserve at least a mention for what he did in the European League?

**Vinny** · 07-14-2005

"Best back up QB's in the NFL"? I wouldn't consider Banks and Ragone in the top tier of reserves....not even close.

Texas_Thrill · 07-14-2005

Neither would I. I mean just b/c he stepped in and things didn't fall apart speaks more of the rest of the starters than it does for TB.

keyfro · 07-15-2005

it's hard to judge a backup QB...but right now i'd have to say that tommy maddox, josh mccown, volek, and brad johnson would be the top back up QB's in the league

TommyS · 07-15-2005

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Originally Posted by TexansR#1

I was just reading something on cbssportline about the best backup qb's in the league, and they did not mention once Tony Banks or Dave Ragone? Tony Banks stepped in when David Carr was hurt and I believe lead us to 3 victories one i think even was against Buffalo when David first went down with the shoulder injury. I think he deserves more appreciation for what he did for the Texans with all the injuries. I know Ragone hasnt had much expericence at Qb with Banks being there and alos being behind Carr, but dosent he deserve at least a mention for what he did in the European League?

did you actually read the article? if you did, you'd know that they were talking about backups on teams where
1)the starter's position was vulnerable (ok, carr has missed games injured, but he's not injury prone, nor is he likely to lose his job on a performance basis to banks/ragone)
2)teams that are "playoff contenders" for next year (we may push for the playoffs, but we're not banging down the superbowl door just yet)

oh, and banks is an average QB and ragone has only poduced in europe, so i dont think either of them get that much respect anyways.

**ArlingtonTexan** · 07-15-2005

Tony Banks is one of those QBs who the more they play the more they seem to get exposed. He is fine to come into a game or even for a couple of starts.

There have been Qbs who have played well in NFL Europe and been successful at the highest level (Warner) and others who have not been secure a roster spot (Ron Powlus). Essentially, it is like a great AAA pitcher, you really don't know until he has to perform.

The back-up siutation is probably in the top half of the league, but it would be a reach to even put it in the top 10 (12-15 in my estimation)

Georgiaboy · 07-19-2005

The real question is do we trust the backups. I do, and am never afraid when either Banks or Ragone step up behind the line. I honestly believe Ragone should be moved up to second. He need to have more time with the ball in his hands. If he is not recognized, he will move on. (not knocking Tony, I think he is a great Veteran influence on the team.)
Atleast we know that the team is in capable hands no matter what happens.

texan2061 · 07-20-2005

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Originally Posted by keyfro

it's hard to judge a backup QB...but right now i'd have to say that tommy maddox, josh mccown, volek, and brad johnson would be the top back up QB's in the league

Josh Mccown of the Arizona Cardinals? I am still trying figure out how he even made it into the NFL.

**Vinny** · 07-20-2005

imo the best back up QB's are Brad Johnson, Kelly Holcomb, Jeff Garcia, David Garrard, Billy Volek, & Jon Kitna

TheTim5125 · 07-20-2005

Jeff Garcia... he's back with mooch and if Harrington doesn't perform he'll get that job

Hervoyel · 07-20-2005

In an attempt to change things up a little bit during this long off-season we're changing todays thread from "How come the team that hasn't won yet doesn't get any respect?" to "Where's the respect for the guys who don't play most of the time?"

I think this is a great thread

TommyS · 07-20-2005

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Originally Posted by Hervoyel

In an attempt to change things up a little bit during this long off-season we're changing todays thread from "How come the team that hasn't won yet doesn't get any respect?" to "Where's the respect for the guys who don't play most of the time?"

I think this is a great thread

LOL

hey, how else do we pass the time at work?

if we're talking about back-ups, i just wanna see fat boy jared (lorenzen?) the ex kentucky now NYG qb in preseason.

Freeney Vs Jared : Hunter Vs Frozen Deer

ha ha ha

Jakebrake · 07-21-2005

I agree with everyone of them.
Josh Mclown? that guy is gawd awful and has no business being in the league. Much like Ragone!!

Hopefully Parsons gets a chance to show his stuff, This guy is a starter in this league. Hopefully he'll get a buch of playing time in pre-season.

Carr is going to have a great year in my opinion. I can see why they kept banks around, if you are planning to make the playoffs you have to have a veteran back up. I just would rather have a different vet as a back up.

Youngstown Colt · 07-21-2005

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Originally Posted by Jakebrake

I agree with everyone of them.
Josh Mclown? that guy is gawd awful and has no business being in the league. Much like Ragone!!

Wow, a lot of McCown bashing, yet I'm sure many haven't watched him play a lot. The kid is very talented, and if you watch a few of his games, you'll understand that if Green doesn't pull him, the Cardinals make the playoffs last year.

**Vinny** · 07-21-2005

If you search his posts he bashes every back-up we have other than Preston Parsons.

**texasguy346** · 07-21-2005

Can you blame him? He obviously realizes that the MB has huge amount of influence on the Texans coaching staff. How else will Parsons make the squad unless the MB uses its considerable power to influence Capers to drop Ragone and insert Parsons as the opening day starter.

Buzz · 07-21-2005

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Originally Posted by Jakebrake

I agree with everyone of them.
Josh Mclown? that guy is gawd awful and has no business being in the league. Much like Ragone!!

Give the guy a break- I don't think Ragone has been able to show enough yet for somebody to make the claim that he's not worth being on the roster.

Jakebrake · 07-22-2005

Ive watched Mclown Play nearly every game he's been in. He's awful. Misses easy reads, holds the ball WAAAY too long. Looks like a deer in the headlights.
I bash the back ups because theyre weak. Pretty plain to see. Ragone doing well in NFL Europe "AKA NFL Germany", is one thing. How tough is it to excell when the defense isnt allowed to blitz?

07-14-2005	#2
Vinny shiny happy fan Join Date: Apr 2004 Age: 49 Posts: 20,714 Rep Power: 55750	"Best back up QB's in the NFL"? I wouldn't consider Banks and Ragone in the top tier of reserves....not even close. __________________ http://twitter.com/#!/TexansTalk "A nation of sheep begets a government of wolves" - Edward R. Murrow

07-15-2005	#4
keyfro Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2004 Age: 29 Posts: 1,859 Rep Power: 13	it's hard to judge a backup QB...but right now i'd have to say that tommy maddox, josh mccown, volek, and brad johnson would be the top back up QB's in the league __________________ With the 10th overall pick in the 2007 NFL draft the Houston Texans select...?????

07-19-2005	#7
Georgiaboy Rookie Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Rockmart, Georgia Age: 28 Posts: 19 Rep Power: 0	The real question is do we trust the backups. I do, and am never afraid when either Banks or Ragone step up behind the line. I honestly believe Ragone should be moved up to second. He need to have more time with the ball in his hands. If he is not recognized, he will move on. (not knocking Tony, I think he is a great Veteran influence on the team.) Atleast we know that the team is in capable hands no matter what happens. __________________ All I want for christmas, is Peyton Manning's front teeth.

07-20-2005	#9
Vinny shiny happy fan Join Date: Apr 2004 Age: 49 Posts: 20,714 Rep Power: 55750	imo the best back up QB's are Brad Johnson, Kelly Holcomb, Jeff Garcia, David Garrard, Billy Volek, & Jon Kitna __________________ http://twitter.com/#!/TexansTalk "A nation of sheep begets a government of wolves" - Edward R. Murrow

07-20-2005	#10
TheTim5125 Veteran Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NJ Age: 26 Posts: 349 Rep Power: 9	Jeff Garcia... he's back with mooch and if Harrington doesn't perform he'll get that job __________________ Carr to Johnson...... Touch Down

07-14-2005	#1
TexansR#1 Rookie Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 30 Rep Power: 0	Respect for the backup qb's? I was just reading something on cbssportline about the best backup qb's in the league, and they did not mention once Tony Banks or Dave Ragone? Tony Banks stepped in when David Carr was hurt and I believe lead us to 3 victories one i think even was against Buffalo when David first went down with the shoulder injury. I think he deserves more appreciation for what he did for the Texans with all the injuries. I know Ragone hasnt had much expericence at Qb with Banks being there and alos being behind Carr, but dosent he deserve at least a mention for what he did in the European League?

07-14-2005	#3
Texas_Thrill Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: H-Town stomping once again! Age: 33 Posts: 1,473 Rep Power: 11	Neither would I. I mean just b/c he stepped in and things didn't fall apart speaks more of the rest of the starters than it does for TB.

07-15-2005	#6
ArlingtonTexan Moderator Join Date: May 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 5,260 Rep Power: 19464	Tony Banks is one of those QBs who the more they play the more they seem to get exposed. He is fine to come into a game or even for a couple of starts. There have been Qbs who have played well in NFL Europe and been successful at the highest level (Warner) and others who have not been secure a roster spot (Ron Powlus). Essentially, it is like a great AAA pitcher, you really don't know until he has to perform. The back-up siutation is probably in the top half of the league, but it would be a reach to even put it in the top 10 (12-15 in my estimation)

07-20-2005	#11
Hervoyel The Right Track Join Date: Apr 2004 Age: 47 Posts: 12,878 Rep Power: 58407	In an attempt to change things up a little bit during this long off-season we're changing todays thread from "How come the team that hasn't won yet doesn't get any respect?" to "Where's the respect for the guys who don't play most of the time?" I think this is a great thread __________________ A wise man once said "...well at this point it's all been hashed out and you either see it or don't. Hoping for a win next week" - HTown2ATX

07-21-2005	#13
Jakebrake Rookie Join Date: Jan 2005 Age: 44 Posts: 19 Rep Power: 0	Nice picks Vinny I agree with everyone of them. Josh Mclown? that guy is gawd awful and has no business being in the league. Much like Ragone!! Hopefully Parsons gets a chance to show his stuff, This guy is a starter in this league. Hopefully he'll get a buch of playing time in pre-season. Carr is going to have a great year in my opinion. I can see why they kept banks around, if you are planning to make the playoffs you have to have a veteran back up. I just would rather have a different vet as a back up.

07-22-2005	#18
Jakebrake Rookie Join Date: Jan 2005 Age: 44 Posts: 19 Rep Power: 0	Ive watched Mclown Play nearly every game he's been in. He's awful. Misses easy reads, holds the ball WAAAY too long. Looks like a deer in the headlights. I bash the back ups because theyre weak. Pretty plain to see. Ragone doing well in NFL Europe "AKA NFL Germany", is one thing. How tough is it to excell when the defense isnt allowed to blitz?

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