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Old 02-21-2014   #241
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BP is important for OL and DL, it indicates upper body strength. Important indicator for initial punch, controlling and directing opponent, leverage. < 25 225 reps says player needs to get stronger.
There are more effective ways to gauge punch power. Hell, there is a specific machine that does it.
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There are more effective ways to gauge punch power. Hell, there is a specific machine that does it.
Not at the Combine.
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Not at the Combine.
If your BP , VJ , and BJ add up to 70 or above , you're considered an explosive athlete . That used to be the rule of thumb for linemen anyhow .
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If your BP , VJ , and BJ add up to 70 or above , you're considered an explosive athlete . That used to be the rule of thumb for linemen anyhow .
Still is for all.
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BP is important for OL and DL, it indicates upper body strength. Important indicator for initial punch, controlling and directing opponent, leverage. < 25 225 reps says player needs to get stronger.
Regardless of what you may have heard or read, a max rep BP does not indicate strength. Anything over 8-12 reps is purely a test of muscular endurance.

A single rep BP would be a better indicator for initial punch, as it is only a single punch and not a test of how many punches in a row you can do before getting tired.

The difference between being able to do 20 reps or 25 reps is negligible as far as maximum strength is concerned.

Another issue with the BP is that it is done on your back with the bench as a stabilizer behind you. In a game situation, the player would be on his feet with no stabilizing force behind him to push back against.
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Still is for all.
I think JJ was in the 80 something . So was Mario and Vernon Davis while Travis Johnson was 68 .
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Thats what you are going with? Bench press simulates a series of plays in a long drive down the field? Significant?

Bench press has little to do with a players ability. I dont think I have to spell it out but if a player does 5, then yes you have a problem, but all these prospects do about 20-30.
Bench press has little to do with an offensive linemans's ability. They rarely use their arms to muscle defenders, especially in pass pro. I want to see the big hogs pull/push a sled.

Defensive linemen on the other hand, they're benchpressing those big OL off the on every play. LBs too. I'm interested in a LBs bench.
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Bench press has little to do with an offensive linemans's ability. They rarely use their arms to muscle defenders, especially in pass pro. I want to see the big hogs pull/push a sled.

Defensive linemen on the other hand, they're benchpressing those big OL off the on every play. LBs too. I'm interested in a LBs bench.
The first thing OL do is use their arms, especially in the run game. The first they do is punch and try to establish position. Arms are extremely important in gaining leverage. That's why it's so important for DLineman to have good hand work and technique. Arm and head position is very important in controlling and directing Dlineman.
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STAY FAR AWAY from Jake Matthews. He is OVERRATED. Watched him for 5 years....including High School. Name helps ALOT.
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STAY FAR AWAY from Jake Matthews. He is OVERRATED. Watched him for 5 years....including High School. Name helps ALOT.
I've watched him live for the past few years too. Don't agree. Little bit overrated? Sure. Not as much as you make it sound.
Joeckel was the better prospect, sure.
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I've watched him live for the past few years too. Don't agree. Little bit overrated? Sure. Not as much as you make it sound.
Joeckel was the better prospect, sure.
#1 Tackle only benching 24 reps? A&M, what's up with your weight room?
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#1 Tackle only benching 24 reps? A&M, what's up with your weight room?
This discussion has already gone on. Duane Brown only did 24 reps, iirc.

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Regardless of what you may have heard or read, a max rep BP does not indicate strength. Anything over 8-12 reps is purely a test of muscular endurance.

A single rep BP would be a better indicator for initial punch, as it is only a single punch and not a test of how many punches in a row you can do before getting tired.

The difference between being able to do 20 reps or 25 reps is negligible as far as maximum strength is concerned.

Another issue with the BP is that it is done on your back with the bench as a stabilizer behind you. In a game situation, the player would be on his feet with no stabilizing force behind him to push back against.
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This discussion has already gone on. Duane Brown only did 24 reps, iirc.

I'm going to quote Bah007, because he said it better than anyone else.
If the Bench Press was a bad and ineffective as you and Bah think it is, you can rest assured that it would not be part of the NFL Combine drills.
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If the Bench Press was a bad and ineffective as you and Bah think it is, you can rest assured that it would not be part of the NFL Combine drills.
Is Duane Brown the high water mark ?
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If the Bench Press was a bad and ineffective as you and Bah think it is, you can rest assured that it would not be part of the NFL Combine drills.
I never said it was bad. I said it was an ineffective way to gauge power, as a max rep is a test of muscular endurance.

Has the combine changed at all ever since the NFL Network started showing it? It's about viewership now just as much as it's about the prospects.

If I had to guess I would say that the bench press stays in the routine because it is a glamour lift and probably the most famous weightlifting exercise that there is. The casual fan has no clue what a powerball toss is but say the words bench press and you're sure to get their attention.
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I never said it was bad. I said it was an ineffective way to gauge power, as a max rep is a test of muscular endurance.

Has the combine changed at all ever since the NFL Network started showing it? It's about viewership now just as much as it's about the prospects.

If I had to guess I would say that the bench press stays in the routine because it is a glamour lift and probably the most famous weightlifting exercise that there is. The casual fan has no clue what a powerball toss is but say the words bench press and you're sure to get their attention.
If I was going to play it safe I would take Matthews . If I was going to take the guy I think is going to be a dominate player , I'd take Robinson .
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If I was going to play it safe I would take Matthews . If I was going to take the guy I think is going to be a dominate player , I'd take Robinson .
I think Matthews is a future OG so with that in mind I would take Robinson without hesitation.
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I think Matthews is a future OG so with that in mind I would take Robinson without hesitation.
I'm not sure I wouldn't pick Robinson #1 if I were the Texans . Start him at RT for a few years and he may end up being the best LT in the NFL .
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I'm not sure I wouldn't pick Robinson #1 if I were the Texans . Start him at RT for a few years and he may end up being the best LT in the NFL .
I'm not totally against it but it's my third choice behind Bridgewater and Mack.
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