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Old 01-21-2014   #181
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But where he went to school and who his daddy is are two main reasons why he is so highly rated around here, both of which have nothing to do with his own ability.
He has been listed in the top 5 players all around the country very consistently. What is this "around here" you speak of?

I am not in favor of drafting him high and have said so on many occasions, but I think you are over-playing the whose your daddy/school card.
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He has been listed in the top 5 players all around the country very consistently. What is this "around here" you speak of?

I am not in favor of drafting him high and have said so on many occasions, but I think you are over-playing the whose your daddy/school card.
I think he is a very good prospect but all of the #1 overall talk on this board came mainly from A&M fans (of which we have quite a few, Houston and College Station being so close) and those who would point to the success of his father, despite them being two different players.

This is a total guess but I imagine if there were a poll among NFL fanbases on what Matthews' future holds he would score highest in Houston.
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I think he is a very good prospect but all of the #1 overall talk on this board came mainly from A&M fans (of which we have quite a few, Houston and College Station being so close) and those who would point to the success of his father, despite them being two different players.

This is a total guess but I imagine if there were a poll among NFL fanbases on what Matthews' future holds he would score highest in Houston.
You are probably correct on the polling. My point is he is legitimately in the conversation based on national reviews. It's not like elsewhere he is ranked like Duane Brown coming out and only getting top pick play around here.
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He has been listed in the top 5 players all around the country very consistently. What is this "around here" you speak of?

I am not in favor of drafting him high and have said so on many occasions, but I think you are over-playing the whose your daddy/school card.
The whose your daddy/school card has drawn as much or more criticism than support. He is probably NFL ready at a position that often takes a couple of years. He has been ranked highly NATIONALLY, but is moving up and down the boards as time goes by as most players do this time of year.
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Which makes the people that were saying we should use our first overall on him look even more foolish, and there were several.
For the record, I don't know & didn't know if he would be a LT or not.... still don't. My stance was if he grades out to be a LT, & I even said it doesn't have to be Matthews, Lewan, or Robinson... if any of them grades out to be a LT I would draft him over Bridgewater if Bridgewater doesn't grade out to be a franchise QB.

I don't want to draft a QB just because we need one especially if there is talent worthy of the #1 overall available, be it a WR, a DE, a CB, or a LT...... even a RB, but I don't think they exist anymore.

Now you may believe Bridgewater grades out as a franchise QB. I don't. I think he'll probably be a solid starter, worthy of a first round pick, but not necessarily the #1 overall, I'm not sold that he is the best player in this draft.
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He has been listed in the top 5 players all around the country very consistently. What is this "around here" you speak of?

I am not in favor of drafting him high and have said so on many occasions, but I think you are over-playing the whose your daddy/school card.
The Mathews name isn't just locally known. Don't forget Clay sr of the browns and jr In Greenbay. Hat name carries a lot of weight all over the national footbal league.
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Now you may believe Bridgewater grades out as a franchise QB. I don't. I think he'll probably be a solid starter, worthy of a first round pick, but not necessarily the #1 overall, I'm not sold that he is the best player in this draft.
What is your list of players who are worthy of the #1 overall pick?
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What is your list of players who are worthy of the #1 overall pick?
They all have warts... we'll pull a Minnesota and drop back a couple spots before we draft
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What is your list of players who are worthy of the #1 overall pick?
Unfortunately no one this year. Just my opinion. Trade down if possible.
We have many needs.
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For the record, I don't know & didn't know if he would be a LT or not.... still don't. My stance was if he grades out to be a LT, & I even said it doesn't have to be Matthews, Lewan, or Robinson... if any of them grades out to be a LT I would draft him over Bridgewater if Bridgewater doesn't grade out to be a franchise QB.

I don't want to draft a QB just because we need one especially if there is talent worthy of the #1 overall available, be it a WR, a DE, a CB, or a LT...... even a RB, but I don't think they exist anymore.

Now you may believe Bridgewater grades out as a franchise QB. I don't. I think he'll probably be a solid starter, worthy of a first round pick, but not necessarily the #1 overall, I'm not sold that he is the best player in this draft.
Let me relate these to Madden Grades and the draft.

If you've got Clowney at a 96, Matthews as a 94 and some other prospect (Say Anthony Barr) at 93, but you have either Bridgewater or Manziel even close to those dudes in your grades, and you need a QB, you have to take one of those two QB's. I don't have to explain to you how important QB's are in this game, and I'm sure you understand how difficult in can be to get a QB who can be a game breaker.

Maybe in your evaluations of whatever you don't think Teddy or Johnny can be those guys and thats fine then go with whomever. But if your honest evaluations put either of the QB's close to the guys who you think will be the best players from the draft you almost have to take the QB. It's really that simple.
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What is your list of players who are worthy of the #1 overall pick?
I don't know any of these kids. I don't watch college football. I feel like I know what a franchise QB is, the prototype anyway. Bridgewater doesn't meet them, imo. He's falls short on several points.

I've been spending what little time I have looking at QBs, I haven't looked at other positions, which is why I've always said "if"
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Let me relate these to Madden Grades and the draft.

If you've got Clowney at a 96, Matthews as a 94 and some other prospect (Say Anthony Barr) at 93, but you have either Bridgewater or Manziel even close to those dudes in your grades, and you need a QB, you have to take one of those two QB's. I don't have to explain to you how important QB's are in this game, and I'm sure you understand how difficult in can be to get a QB who can be a game breaker.

Maybe in your evaluations of whatever you don't think Teddy or Johnny can be those guys and thats fine then go with whomever. But if your honest evaluations put either of the QB's close to the guys who you think will be the best players from the draft you almost have to take the QB. It's really that simple.
Agreed. I've never said any different.

In other words, I don't have Johnny, or Teddy that close to prototypical.
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Let me relate these to Madden Grades and the draft.

If you've got Clowney at a 96, Matthews as a 94 and some other prospect (Say Anthony Barr) at 93, but you have either Bridgewater or Manziel even close to those dudes in your grades, and you need a QB, you have to take one of those two QB's. I don't have to explain to you how important QB's are in this game, and I'm sure you understand how difficult in can be to get a QB who can be a game breaker.

Maybe in your evaluations of whatever you don't think Teddy or Johnny can be those guys and thats fine then go with whomever. But if your honest evaluations put either of the QB's close to the guys who you think will be the best players from the draft you almost have to take the QB. It's really that simple.
You're expressing a common QB centric viewpoint. I for one, think this is overdone. But it is the root of our differences in whether to trade down, pick another player or take the best QB. Your football worldview will determine your position for the most part.

I'd like to see how many Superbowls were won by the highest paid QB that season. I suspect very few since most of the rewards come after the Superbowl has been won rather than before it.
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Now you may believe Bridgewater grades out as a franchise QB. I don't. I think he'll probably be a solid starter, worthy of a first round pick, but not necessarily the #1 overall, I'm not sold that he is the best player in this draft.
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I don't know any of these kids. I don't watch college football. I feel like I know what a franchise QB is, the prototype anyway. Bridgewater doesn't meet them, imo. He's falls short on several points.

I've been spending what little time I have looking at QBs, I haven't looked at other positions, which is why I've always said "if"
You say you are not sold that Teddy is the best player in the draft, yet you admit that you don't watch college football and don't know any of these "kids."

Teddy is not in the 1983 draft, 2004 or even 2011 draft. He is in the 2014 draft and is a lock as a top 5 pick. You may not think he is a franchise QB, but none of these kids are. They are potential franchise QBs.

You still dont like Teddy as a prospect? Ok, then give us an alternative besides trading down to a mythical team who is willing to mortgage its future on the same player(s) that you are ready to get away from.
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You say you are not sold that Teddy is the best player in the draft, yet you admit that you don't watch college football and don't know any of these "kids."

Teddy is not in the 1983 draft, 2004 or even 2011 draft. He is in the 2014 draft and is a lock as a top 5 pick. You may not think he is a franchise QB, but none of these kids are. They are potential franchise QBs.

You still dont like Teddy as a prospect? Ok, then give us an alternative besides trading down to a mythical team who is willing to mortgage its future on the same player(s) that you are ready to get away from.
If Sammy Watkins turns out to be the best player in this draft, I'd draft him. I'd sign Freeman, then draft Mettenberger in the 2nd, or McCarron in the third. I think it's just as possible for them to turn into a franchise QB as Bridgewater & Manziel.

Imagine Freeman throwing the ball to Aj, Hopkins, & Watkins. Or better yet Metenberger or McCarron beating Freeman for the starting job. If we get a RT in the third, or Brennan pans out
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If Sammy Watkins turns out to be the best player in this draft, I'd draft him. I'd sign Freeman, then draft Mettenberger in the 2nd, or McCarron in the third. I think it's just as possible for them to turn into a franchise QB as Bridgewater & Manziel.

Imagine Freeman throwing the ball to Aj, Hopkins, & Watkins. Or better yet Metenberger or McCarron beating Freeman for the starting job. If we get a RT in the third, or Brennan pans out
Josh Freeman...Josh freaking Freeman? You know he is a terrible QB and is probably out of the league for good, he couldn't beat out Christian Ponder or Matt Cassel for a job and you want to sign him?
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If Sammy Watkins turns out to be the best player in this draft, I'd draft him. I'd sign Freeman, then draft Mettenberger in the 2nd, or McCarron in the third. I think it's just as possible for them to turn into a franchise QB as Bridgewater & Manziel.

Imagine Freeman throwing the ball to Aj, Hopkins, & Watkins. Or better yet Metenberger or McCarron beating Freeman for the starting job. If we get a RT in the third, or Brennan pans out
It doesn't matter if he's throwing to Jerry Rice, Randy Moss, and Calvin Johnson. The dude is a horrible QB. Giving him talent doesn't change that.

This is the same problem the Texans already fell into. Surround a mediocre QB with great talent and he will elevate. No, he won't. He'll still be the same mediocre QB, just with better weapons.
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Josh Freeman...Josh freaking Freeman? You know he is a terrible QB and is probably out of the league for good, he couldn't beat out Christian Ponder or Matt Cassel for a job and you want to sign him?
Are you familiar with the situation he was in this year?
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The situation that had everyone buzzing around Mike Glennon?
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Are you familiar with the situation he was in this year?
Yes very familiar. He showed promise in 2010 his first full year starting, and then regressed a lot in 2011. His numbers ticked back up in 2012 but he still didn't look to be taking big strides and then this year he really took a plummet before getting release and picked up by the Vikings. They gave him a decent chunk of change and made it obvious they planned to start him, and then he bombed big time in the Monday night game against the Gaints, couldn't hit the broadside of the barn. He is not a good QB, anyone that watches him knows that. Mike Glennon came in as a rookie and looked way better than him in the same Bucs offense.
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