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Old 04-14-2014   #201
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I don't recall the Texans trying to trade up for Peterson. I do recall the Lions trying to trade up.

Rumor had it at the time McNair promised Wade the 1st rd pick when he gave him the job. Wade wanted Aldon Smith, he was gone and Wade settled for Watt.

What are your thoughts?
There was speculation about Wade. I never heard anything that even rose to the level of rumor.

This was a report someone posted just a few months ago toward the tail of the season. It was that the Texans had a deal in place with Atlanta to take Peterson but the Cardinals took him. There was then a huddle on whether to still do the deal and grab Aldon Smith prior to San Fran and they decided not to (with Smith saying no) and ended up remaining in place and taking JJ.

Now the two are not mutually exclusive but if Wade had the 1st round pick control then Peterson was his top choice.

My net thoughts on it are we have no real idea what goes on or the power dynamics and should stop acting like we do.
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There was speculation about Wade. I never heard anything that even rose to the level of rumor.

This was a report someone posted just a few months ago toward the tail of the season. It was that the Texans had a deal in place with Atlanta to take Peterson but the Cardinals took him. There was then a huddle on whether to still do the deal and grab Aldon Smith prior to San Fran and they decided not to (with Smith saying no) and ended up remaining in place and taking JJ.

Now the two are not mutually exclusive but if Wade had the 1st round pick control then Peterson was his top choice.

My net thoughts on it are we have no real idea what goes on or the power dynamics and should stop acting like we do.


All the speculation on the power structure between the coaching staff and front office has gotten stale.
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There was speculation about Wade. I never heard anything that even rose to the level of rumor.

This was a report someone posted just a few months ago toward the tail of the season. It was that the Texans had a deal in place with Atlanta to take Peterson but the Cardinals took him. There was then a huddle on whether to still do the deal and grab Aldon Smith prior to San Fran and they decided not to (with Smith saying no) and ended up remaining in place and taking JJ.

Now the two are not mutually exclusive but if Wade had the 1st round pick control then Peterson was his top choice.

My net thoughts on it are we have no real idea what goes on or the power dynamics and should stop acting like we do.
I keep up with Texans news very closely and heard none of this. Did you hear this news from an inside source?

What fun would a MB be without speculation. I think that we can agree that whatever the power structure was in the last regime was it didn't work. Hopefully they change that.
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This was a report someone posted just a few months ago toward the tail of the season. It was that the Texans had a deal in place with Atlanta to take Peterson but the Cardinals took him. There was then a huddle on whether to still do the deal and grab Aldon Smith prior to San Fran and they decided not to (with Smith saying no) and ended up remaining in place and taking JJ.

Now the two are not mutually exclusive but if Wade had the 1st round pick control then Peterson was his top choice.

My net thoughts on it are we have no real idea what goes on or the power dynamics and should stop acting like we do.
I remember the report about the trade for Peterson. I also remember the write up about the Flacco/Brown deal. Between those two, I think we should be able to form some idea of the power dynamic.

& with Kubiak saying Rick picks them & Gary coaches them, it's not the mystery the Smith haters would have you believe. Rick picks them, Gary coaches them, or cuts them.

Now when the Texans pick comes up, if Bill Kollar screams from the back of the room, "Pick Clowney." that doesn't mean it was his pick. If later we found out that McNair wanted Manziel, & OB wanted Tom Savage... that's still Smith's pick.

Duane Brown was Gibbs man, but he couldn't have stopped Rick Smith from trading down if he wanted to. Kubiak couldn't have stopped Rick Smith if he wanted to. If he'd have traded down & missed on Duane Brown, they'd have left that war room saying they got the guy they targeted & attribute it to the waterboy, or the LBs coach, or the TEs coach, or maybe even the HC (though I doubt it), but it was Rick's pick.

If Rick Smith keeps bringing players in & Gary keeps cutting them & those players continue to have some production for successful teams... it's hard to pin the "talentless" team problem on the GM. Looking at our roster is only part of the equation.
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You can think that but the reports are the Texans had Peterson targeted and then got jumped on the deal. Then as the story goes they contemplated making the same trade to take Aldon Smith and decided against it and ended up taking Watt. So to the extent you want to guess Wade was influential it sounds like Watt was his 3rd choice.
Thank G*D! No matter the thought process or who ultimately pulled the trigger or who had the final say, The Texans got that one right, whether by skill, luck or indifference they nailed that one!!!
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Thank G*D! No matter the thought process or who ultimately pulled the trigger or who had the final say, The Texans got that one right, whether by skill, luck or indifference they nailed that one!!!
Amen, brother!!! By hook or by crook. LOL
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I keep up with Texans news very closely and heard none of this. Did you hear this news from an inside source?

What fun would a MB be without speculation. I think that we can agree that whatever the power structure was in the last regime was it didn't work. Hopefully they change that.
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When the 2011 NFL draft unfolded, no one truly knew what newly acquired defensive coordinator Wade Phillips would want as his first pick. There were rumors that he wanted Aldon Smith, but we recently found out that General Manager Rick Smith had a trade in place to get Patrick Peterson.
Googled: "Texans trade rumors patrick peterson aldon smith" that's one of the articles that showed up.
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No problem with speculation. The problem comes in when people start acting like their speculation is fact.
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You can think that but the reports are the Texans had Peterson targeted and then got jumped on the deal. Then as the story goes they contemplated making the same trade to take Aldon Smith and decided against it and ended up taking Watt...
Yes, Deepi posted such on HT.com in January: http://www.houstontexans.com/news/ar...f-ae3eab82026c

And I copied it onto TT here: http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/sho...on#post2281450
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I thinking drafting JJ was more of Wade's doing than Rick or Kubes.
In the world where we see 10 seven round mock drafts per day... in February, it shouldn't be surprising that fans have such a simplistic view of the NFL draft.

GMs aren't scouts! There job is to collect information from all the available sources and then make the best decisions for the organization. Every player ever drafted by the Texans have had a strong advocate (either coach or scout), pressing Smith to draft him. More important to understand, though, is that there are hundreds of players that some of the Texan coaches were raving about that did not get drafted by Smith.
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Who is Mike Stembridge?
Just some dude on FB who obviously loves him some Rick Smif! Was not agreeing with him, just thought some of you would find that analysis as funny as I did.

So glad the Texans blinked on the Aldon Smith trade. Why does a guy who has the world in the palm his hand, do something as dumb as that?
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rick brought in Ed reed nufff said

and didn't even have the power to at least let Peyton manning visit Houston when he was doing his cross country tour
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Every gm has hits and misses and smith has his hits and flops. Steelb has an agenda and brings names of other gms to prove a point and that's cool. I wanna know if smith gets the blame for okoye,who gets the credit for duane brown,cushing,watt? Who gets the credit for arian foster and trading a 5th for myers? See, that game is a game. What's so great about the green bay roster? Aaron Rodgers. He went down and what was their record before he went down till he returned? See, all it takes is nabbing a franchise caliber qb to change the perception of a gm. After the ravens superbowl in 2000,how many playoff games did they win in the next 8 yrs? In fact how many times did they make the playoffs until they drafted flacco? Was ozzie a great gm when he drafted travis taylor and kyle boller in the 1st rd. What about when he signed elvis from kansas city?
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No problem with speculation. The problem comes in when people start acting like their speculation is fact.
Well, I believe I said up front that I was theorizing/guessing on how things worked on draft day. As ThreeToed Pete used to say, "we don't know, we weren't in the room"
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rick brought in Ed reed nufff said

and didn't even have the power to at least let Peyton manning visit Houston when he was doing his cross country tour
I think it was established quite a while back that Rick was told to go fetch Ed Reed by Uncle Bob McNair. McNair sent Smith on this private jet to bring him to Houston.
LINK

As an aside, note at the 1:00 mark where McNair himself said "...I've been preaching to our coaches that we have enough talent..." Now if McNair thinks Smith is largely responsible for gathering that talent, you should know all you need to know as to why Smith was the only one not shown the door along with Kubiak and Phillips. You may disagree with McNair's assessment, but it is what it is.

Edit: You made two contradictory statements. How can Rick Smith have the power to go fetch Ed Reed but NOT have the power to bring Peyton in for a chat? Either he has the power to grab who he wants (or at least kick the tires) or he doesn't.
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Every gm has hits and misses and smith has his hits and flops. Steelb has an agenda and brings names of other gms to prove a point and that's cool. I wanna know if smith gets the blame for okoye,who gets the credit for duane brown,cushing,watt? Who gets the credit for arian foster and trading a 5th for myers? See, that game is a game. What's so great about the green bay roster? Aaron Rodgers. He went down and what was their record before he went down till he returned? See, all it takes is nabbing a franchise caliber qb to change the perception of a gm. After the ravens superbowl in 2000,how many playoff games did they win in the next 8 yrs? In fact how many times did they make the playoffs until they drafted flacco? Was ozzie a great gm when he drafted travis taylor and kyle boller in the 1st rd. What about when he signed elvis from kansas city?
Excellent point!

I have liked the way the organization has operated as Rick Smith's role has increased- not because they haven't made any personnel mistakes, but because they seem to have a good plan, don't panic, make thoughtful decisions, and have a long term and disciplined view for the organization. I also like the focus on collected compensatory picks, avoiding the free agent frenzy, and the willingness to let veterans go when prudent.

The Ed Reed fiasco was a mistake than many of you saw coming. All organizations make those mistakes on occasion. However, only a dozen organizations would be as quick to recognize and act on that mistake. It is that kind of football-first focus that allows an organization to be successful in the long term. Check out the NFL teams that make football decisions with a weighted concern for PR, or the ones that are stifled with inaction because of uncertainty or internal disagreement. Those are the organizations that will be fortunate to make 1 or 2 playoffs in the next decade.
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Excellent point!

I have liked the way the organization has operated as Rick Smith's role has increased- not because they haven't made any personnel mistakes, but because they seem to have a good plan, don't panic, make thoughtful decisions, and have a long term and disciplined view for the organization. I also like the focus on collected compensatory picks, avoiding the free agent frenzy, and the willingness to let veterans go when prudent.

The Ed Reed fiasco was a mistake than many of you saw coming. All organizations make those mistakes on occasion. However, only a dozen organizations would be as quick to recognize and act on that mistake. It is that kind of football-first focus that allows an organization to be successful in the long term. Check out the NFL teams that make football decisions with a weighted concern for PR, or the ones that are stifled with inaction because of uncertainty or internal disagreement. Those are the organizations that will be fortunate to make 1 or 2 playoffs in the next decade.
I'm convinced that was a clear case of McNair playing GM and Smith was along for the ride.
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I'm convinced that was a clear case of McNair playing GM and Smith was along for the ride.
And a GM with balls would have told Bob how stupid the idea was.

(I didn't know how that one would play out, I hoped at least a season out the guy, I don't know if we got a play out of him)
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The Ed Reed fiasco was a mistake than many of you saw coming.
Was it?

I'm not so sure. Yeah, it played out the way many said it would, but starting out 2-6 would make just about anything look like a mistake.

I didn't care if Reed wasn't healthy enough to play through the first 10 games, that's not why he was brought here. The Ed Reed move had no shot of paying off if we never reached the post season.

The Texans requested Ed Reed have surgery & the Texans "forced" Ed Reed into the starting line-up.

Let's imagine (in a GP kinda way, if you know what I mean) that Ed Reed was Rick Smith's move, instigated by our beloved owner. Also imagine (because this whole thing is based on supposition) that there's been a quite feud brewing between Kubiak & Smith (Tate taken in the second round after Kubiak "found" Foster, drafting a punt returner in Trindon Holliday, Sherrick McMannis, Shelly Smith (still in the league), trading back up for Brandon Harris, Signing Case Keenum). & it came to a head in 2014.

Can't build a team if you're not developing the talent (that others have decided to develop) you're being given.

I'm not a Rick Smith fan. I'd be happier now if he was let go after 2010 (I wanted him gone more than I wanted Kubiak gone then). But this is the way Bob wants to go & I'm willing to wait & see how OB does with Rick's picks.
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