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Old 01-20-2014   #1
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First practice today and is scheduled to have TV coverage by the NFL Network.
Don't see the big Aggie OT on either roster, was thinking he's a senior ? Def a
smart move to skip this game if you are eligible and happen to find yourself in the position that Matthews is.
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Michigan State CB Darqueze Dennard, Oklahoma State CB Justin Gilbert, Ohio State RB Carlos Hyde, Florida State S Lamarcus Joyner, Buffalo LB Khalil Mack, Texas A&M OT Jake Matthews, Alabama QB A.J. McCarron, Alabama LB C.J. Mosley and Stanford LB Shane Skov are all healthy scratches from the game.

For Matthews projected in the Top 5, there's no percentage in participating.
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Michigan State CB Darqueze Dennard, Oklahoma State CB Justin Gilbert, Ohio State RB Carlos Hyde, Florida State S Lamarcus Joyner, Buffalo LB Khalil Mack, Texas A&M OT Jake Matthews, Alabama QB A.J. McCarron, Alabama LB C.J. Mosley and Stanford LB Shane Skov are all healthy scratches from the game.

For Matthews projected in the Top 5, there's no percentage in participating.
I understand some of these guys not wanting to risk getting hurt, but some of them could really earn some money this week. There are plenty of players who shot up the boards after a good week of practice during Senior Bowl. Although I understand, I'd still like to see these guys compete.
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I understand some of these guys not wanting to risk getting hurt, but some of them could really earn some money this week. There are plenty of players who shot up the boards after a good week of practice during Senior Bowl. Although I understand, I'd still like to see these guys compete.
I don't think it's concerns about possible injury as much as concerns that poor play, to include the one-on-one drills, will hurt the players current rankings. If a big-name OT like Matthews for example goes out there and gets beat in drills vs somebody no ones heard of he might not be a top 5 prospect anymore. On the other hand if a player is a relative unknown it's a chance to make a name and ascend in the rankings.
Last year many people never heard of Central Michigan OT Eric Fischer, but he performed so well especially in the one-on-ones drills during the week prior to the game vs the pass-rushers that he ended up being the #1 overall in last years NFL Draft.
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Some boys with small hands?

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#SeniorBowl QBs: Aaron Murray and Derek Carr with small hands. Logan Thomas has the largest - http://walterfootball.com/seniorbowl2014weighinQB.php
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Senior Bowl Weigh In

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Tajh Boyd Clemson/6006/222/30 1/2/9 3/8
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Derek Carr Fresno State/6021/215/31 1/4/9 1/8
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David Fales San Jose State/6013/220/31 1/8/9 1/4
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Jimmy Garoppolo Eastern Illinois/6022/219/30 1/4/9
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Stephen Morris Miami/6016/208/31 7/8/10 1/8
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Aaron Murray Georgia/6003/201/29 3/4/9 1/8
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Logan Thomas Virginia Tech/6056/250/33/10 3/4
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I don't think it's concerns about possible injury as much as concerns that poor play, to include the one-on-one drills, will hurt the players current rankings. If a big-name OT like Matthews for example goes out there and gets beat in drills vs somebody no ones heard of he might not be a top 5 prospect anymore. On the other hand if a player is a relative unknown it's a chance to make a name and ascend in the rankings.
Last year many people never heard of Central Michigan OT Eric Fischer, but he performed so well especially in the one-on-ones drills during the week prior to the game vs the pass-rushers that he ended up being the #1 overall in last years NFL Draft.
And to me, this is exactly the wrong mentality to have. As a competitor I would feel like I could go there and have a great week like Fisher did and Tomlinson many years ago and make myself millions. I understand Matthews not going because he's a lock to be a top 5 pick. Some of these other guys sitting out aren't even locks for the 1st round.
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#SeniorBowl QBs: Aaron Murray and Derek Carr with small hands. Logan Thomas has the largest - http://walterfootball.com/seniorbowl2014weighinQB.php


Looks to me that Garoppolo has the smallest
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DL notables: Height, weight, arm, hand, wingspan

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• Aaron Donald/Pittsburgh 6-0⅞, 288
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And to me, this is exactly the wrong mentality to have. As a competitor I would feel like I could go there and have a great week like Fisher did and Tomlinson many years ago and make myself millions. I understand Matthews not going because he's a lock to be a top 5 pick. Some of these other guys sitting out aren't even locks for the 1st round.
He wasn't a highly rated prospect this time last year while Matthews is today.
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Players are listed alphabetically within each group.

Winners:

Deone Bucannon, S, Washington State: At a shade under six-foot-1 and 216 pounds, Bucannon certainly passed the eyeball test, sporting a muscled-up frame that stood out in comparison to the other safeties in this game. With a 78" wingspan, Bucannon also had the widest wingspan of any of the safeties measured.

Kadeem Edwards, OL, Tennessee State: Scouts love linemen with long arms and Edwards possesses the longest of any of the athletes measured today at the Senior, measuring in at 34.5 inches. The 6-foot-4 and 1/8" Edwards also showed good weight distribution with a relatively trim middle at 308 pounds.

Ra'Shede Hagemen, DT, Minnesota: Another highly regarded lineman who showed impressive weight distribution was Hagemen, who measured in at exactly 6-foot-6 inches and 318 pounds. His arms (33 3/4") were also among the longest of any of the defensive tackles measured Monday.

Jordan Matthews, WR, Vanderbilt: Considering his success in the SEC, perhaps it isn't surprising that Matthews looked the part of a future high NFL pick but some of the conference's biggest names weren't nearly as well-built as the Commodores' star receiver, who sported a chiseled 6-foot-2 (and 5/8"), 209-pound frame, long arms (32 5/8") and big hands (10.5").

Caraun Reid, DT, Princeton: One could quickly tell that Reid spent more than his share of time in the weight room rather than just in the library as the Ivy Leaguer showed off a surprisingly well-built frame at 6-foot-2 (and 1/8") and 301 pounds. While perhaps a bit shorter than scouts would like, Reid's impressive frame and adequate arm length (32 5/8") helped the small-schooler stand out amongst FBS stars.

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Chris Borland, ILB, Wisconsin: Borland has been compared to former Miami Dolphins' stud linebacker Zach Thomas for much of his career and his instincts and open-field tackling ability warrant the mention. He looked smaller on stage than his official height (5-foot-11 and 3/8) and weight (245), however, and tied with former teammate, running back James White, with the shortest arms of any player measured Monday (28 5/8").

Adrian Hubbard, OLB/DE, Alabama: Scouts will be intrigued with Hubbard's length at nearly 6-foot-6 but there was surprisingly little muscular development on his 255-pound frame. For a player coming off a disappointing junior season and yet elected to enter the NFL draft with a year of collegiate eligibility remaining, it wasn't the best impression to make.

Jalen Saunders, WR, Oklahoma: It is a big man's game and to the surprise of no one, Saunders came in the smallest of any player at this year's Senior Bowl. Saunders came in just under 5-foot-9 inches (officially 5-08 and 3/4") and 164 pounds. He also possesses small hands (8 3/4) and short arms (28 7/8).

Telvin Smith, ILB, Florida State: Smith's speed is certain to get him drafted but teams may have to move him outside or perhaps drop him back to safety with a frame that looks packed out at 218 pounds.

Will Sutton, DT, Arizona State: Though he was listed at 265 pounds for much of his career with the Sun Devils, scouts knew that Sutton was in fact much bigger. He gained more weight for his senior season and wasn't as effective in 2013, despite the fact that he was rewarded with the conference's Defensive Player of the Year. Some of that extra weight was clearly around his middle as Sutton weighed in at 315 pounds at just under 6-foot-1. Worse, his 30 5/8" arms were the shortest of any of the defensive tackles measured Monday.
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He wasn't a highly rated prospect this time last year while Matthews is today.
I think you're missing my point. I understand that. I'm saying I can understand why guys like Matthews would sit out. He's pretty much locked into the top 5 unless he bombs testing out or they find some freak injury or something. Neither Fisher or Tomlinson were thought of as top 5 picks before the Senior Bowl. They both had great weeks to get them to that position.

Fisher wasn't in that position last year and impressed a lot of people much like a lot of these guys could do. Especially a guy like McCarron who lost his last 2 games, and questions have started to arise about how he deals with pressure in his face. Some of these players are missing out on a great opportunity to elevate themselves and make some money over the week.
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I came out with my top 50 NFL prospects last week and a good number of them come from the 98 underclassmen who left school early to enter the 2014 draft.

There are some very good senior prospects on the list as well, many who are participating at this week's Reese's Senior Bowl practices in Mobile, Ala., like Fresno State QB Derek Carr and Oklahoma CB Aaron Colvin.

Does being named Senior Bowl MVP lead to success in the NFL? You be the judge as we take a look back at the most recent Senior Bowl MVPs.
Here are five very good players that didn't make my top 50 but are worth keeping an eye on this week at the Senior Bowl, and who could help their draft stock with good showings:

Stanley Jean-Baptiste, DB, Nebraska
Jean-Baptiste has rare size (6-foot-2 3/8, 215)...

Ja'Wuan James, OT, Tennessee
Most of the attention on the Vols' offensive line...

Charles Sims, RB, West Virginia
Sims will be the best running back...

Kareem Martin, DE, North Carolina
Some believe Martin (6-5 7/8, 272) should have entered the 2013 draft...

Kyle Van Noy, LB, BYU
BYU coaches I've talked to rave about...
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Trent Murphy wasn't impressive today. Strong concerns about where you play him in NFL. Not athletic enough for LB, not strong enough for DE?

Logan Thomas threw some strikes that hit the WRs numbers. But he also threw some that bounced/sailed past the WR. Consistently inconsistent

Tajh's accuracy/ball placement was all over the place. He appeared to regress in this area in 2013. Tajh needs to bounce back on Tuesday

I'm going to try to not beat up on the North QBs too much, but they were tough to watch today (Tajh Boyd, Logan Thomas, Morris) #SeniorBowl

This SR class lacks a surefire 1st round WR, but I love the value guys in rounds 3-5 (Abbrederis, Herron, Huff, Grant, etc.)

Wasn't in my review, but my guy Zach Martin had a very good practice at LT today. I still think he's the best guard in this class though...

Among my top-10 observations: the North QBs REALLY struggled...WRs stepping up...DT Justin Ellis continues where he left off #SeniorBowl

Also, check out @RobRang top-10 observations from the South Practice: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/n...south-practice

My top 10 observations from #SeniorBowl North practice: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/n...north-practice
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Aaron Donald is a twitched up dude! The Geno Atkins comparisons were flying all over the place in my talks with personnel friends.

Auburn DE/OLB Dee Ford gets overpowered at times but he has an explosive get off in pass situations. Nice inside counter move too

I didn't see the West practice but a bunch of scouts were buzzing about Princeton DT Caraun Reid.

Aaron Donald took batting practice against Cyril Richardson today.

CSU Center Weston Richburg is a solid player on tape and he had a good day today...Quick feet, balance and anchor.

Big fan of Northern Illinois safety Jimmie Ward. Lacks ideal size but he's very instinctive and he has the fluidity to cover the slot.
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The @seniorbowl is loaded w/talent at WR, but no one has been more impressive than Robert Herron (88). Super fast!
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Minnesota DT Hageman really impressed me today. Violent. Did a good job exploding low. Needs to get free better as a pass rusher, but wow.

Miami QB Stephen Morris noticeably worse than Boyd and Thomas as a Passer today. Not fluid, no placement.

A few standouts from today: Dee Ford, Aaron Donald, Aaron Colvin, Walt Aiken, Kyle Van Noy, Derek Carr, Ahmad Dixon. @seniorbowl
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On the OL ND OT Zack Martin and OSU OT Jack Mewhort were very steady today. Both played w/ balance and showed nice patience in sets.

Urban is exactly how you draw them up and Donald's snap anticipation is on another level from the

Watched the trenches today. UVA DE Urban, Cal DT Coleman, Pitt DT Donald and Minn DT Hageman showed well on the DL.
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Cyril had no answers for Aaron Donald today. Very difficult matchup for him. As I wrote prior to the week, Brandon Thomas > Richardson.
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I'm hearing a lot of good things about Stanley Jean-Baptiste at #SeniorBowl. I've been on this kid for 2 months. Aqib Talib-like ability.
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Aaron Donald putting on a show in 1 on 1 pass rush drills at North Practice. #H2P
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Media not allowed on the sidelines at Ladd Peebles stadium for North practices.
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@LSUfball S Craig Loston has intriguing physical tools. Needs to show better consistency in his play @seniorbowl

Pretty solid showing for @OU_Football CB Aaron Colvin @seniorbowl today. Nice feet & hips. Smooth in transitions.
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What I like even more? Hear that he is an exceptional kid and teammate. #ProgramBuilder

Have liked #Auburn DE/OLB Dee Ford since 1st game I saw him play in'13, and he didn't disappoint today in practice. Lightening-quick.
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Zack Martin is my top OL prospect in Mobile but NDSU OL Billy Turner might be my No. 2. Powerful hands and mean. Love this kid #SeniorBowl
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UVA's Brent Urban looked fantastic early in practice and then seemed to gas. At. 6'6 / 298, teams will be intrigued by his potential.

NDSU OT Billy Turner got chewed on pretty good by coaching staff during one on one run drills but looked much better in scrimmage portion.

Arkansas center Travis Swanson was very average looking to me. Cal DT Deandre Coleman impressed me with his ability to move for his 315 LB frame

FSU center Brian Stork did a really nice job of dropping anchor and bracing in pass pro against bigger guys.

Good day in one on one drills in run and pass for Will Sutton. If he loses weight and locks into being a 1-gapper he'll be a factor
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Last word on small hands (at least for today): Garoppolo's 9 inches. Might be exception to rule. Have liked him for long time.
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Carr looks good rolling right and throwing to the sidelines. Lot of zip on throws even while moving.
Dane Brugler ‏@dpbrugler
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If Billy Turner learns how to sink and not bend at the waist, he has a long NFL career ahead of him #SeniorBowl
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See Ford is embarrassing the other DL in drills. Weaving through dummies and exploding.
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OL bag footwork drills: Wesley Johnson with the quickest feet
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Simulated snaps, but Garoppolo struggling UC for the second straight week. Far more comfortable in the gun.
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Montana LB Jordan Tripp is super athletic. Dominating drills.
Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft
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Eagles coach Chip Kelly has intently been watching the South corners.
Michael Schottey ‏@Schottey
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Caraun Reid engages well with his hands. Gets a little high after that...just chucked a dude to the ground though
Josh Norris ‏@JoshNorris
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Hand use and leverage. That is Sutton’s foundation. Weight stuff has been used as a bit of a crutch, in my opinion
Dane Brugler ‏@dpbrugler
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It's different seeing Bill O'Brien in Texans clothing walking around practice. One of several coaches here. #seniorbowl
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Will Sutton's first step and use of leverage is ridiculously impressive.
Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft
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Mike Davis of Texas looked like the best South receiver.
Dane Brugler ‏@dpbrugler
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Halapio struggling to sustain in drills bc he doesn't move his feet and ends up on the ground. He's getting extensive coaching today
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Daniel McCullers is too big to play so weak. Got pushed around at UT and getting pushed around here
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Nothing is pissing these coaches off more than players who get knocked down.
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Problem with Sutton is apparent. When he doesn't win on his first move, gets washed out.
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Dee Fords burst is ridiculous. And he flashed hand use and leverage this year.

All of Sutton’s movements have purpose. Wrist control. Lift. Outside step to get G to overset.
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Terrance Brooks of FSU running the South defense too. Good coaching showing with those two.

Telvin Smith of Florida State is like another coach on the field. Constantly yelling out to teammates

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smart move to skip this game if you are eligible and happen to find yourself in the position that Matthews is.
Wow, I always kind of thought David Fales could be a sneaky 4th round QB, but after losing so much this year, flat out not looking like I expected, and now he's not nearly as tall as I thought, I'm pretty bummed. Sorry Fales, you're done bro.
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Don't have a problem with a guy like Mathews sitting out. He can only hurt his stock, not enhance it. He's seen as a top 5 pick, so if he doesn't go out there and dominate everyone then people will being to question him. The smart play is to skip all that.

My problem is more with guys like McCarron sitting out. A 2nd-3rd round guy should not have the same fear of hurting his evaluation that a top 5 guy does. In fact, he should have the opposite mindset and be intent on bettering his evaluation.
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BTW, I'm not surprised to hear criticisms of McCullers. It seems like guys on this site are in love with him purely because of his size and they think he fits the mold of a big NT, which is what they want. However, he doesn't play like a NT. For being the biggest guy on the field, he comes off pretty soft.
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