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Old 12-23-2013   #141
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Penn State runs a "pro" offense. The QB while highly recruited, had a really good 1st year and one the WRs is a 1st/2nd round candidate.

The buyout is a real issue because the pure dollars involved, but even post-scandal Penn State is the college football program of the entire northeast/new England state area and is probably the equal of the Longhorns job...i.e. better than a good portion of the NFL.
Nonsense. Penn State isn't the Big Program you think it is. And hasn't been for a while. It is not UT, or USC, or Alabama. The Penn State job is not better than a good portion of the NFL; the NFL is the NFL. Period.

And, no, Penn State does not run a "pro" offense; it's a college. it runs a college offense.

The buyout is pennies. We can afford it. We can afford anyone we want.

Look, I'm on board for O'Brien, but, I'm being real about the fact that he has NEVER been an NFL head coach. Two years at a big school does not mean he's the great coach everyone thinks he is...
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I can't think of a worse fit than a Ryan in the Texan organization. Ryan as an assistant would be a disaster with a first time coach like O'Brien.
As a DC Rex was fine, it was when he became HC that his antics were a problem. No matter what happened his Jets defenses were always top half of the league. Put him back at DC and let him focus on that, WATCH OUT.


And for those who say he gets a head coach job immediately, I doubt it. There are tons of HC options out there and there are lots more BETTER candidates at HC than Rex. I think he has to take a DC job for a few years before becoming HC again.
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If the Texans come a knocking, he'd best take the job. There are many worse organizations to work for than in Houston.
There will be additional NFL HC openings. O'Brien will have his choice of jobs. At the top of his list will be a team that will give him final say on the 53 man roster. The Texans are not one of those teams.
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I can't think of a worse fit than a Ryan in the Texan organization. Ryan as an assistant would be a disaster with a first time coach like O'Brien.
Rex Ryan is exactly the type of coach the Texans need. That he would be such a terrible fit in your eyes with the Texans organization shows me how far away the Texans are from being championship caliber organization. I want Bill O'Brien but I would also love a Rex Ryan hire. He has done a great job coaching a Jets team with far less talent than the Texans.
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Interested in O'brien but I watched first five minutes of Bortles video & of 3 long passes he made one, threw short on another and had the third intercepted.
What's one have to do with the other?
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What's one have to do with the other?
From Texian's post #118. Thought I had direct quoted it:

There is a good chance that O'Brien would want to draft Blake Bortles:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6JLz-M9E8E

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There will be additional NFL HC openings. O'Brien will have his choice of jobs. At the top of his list will be a team that will give him final say on the 53 man roster. The Texans are not one of those teams.
Any team that gives final say to a man who has zero experience as an NFL head coach deserves whatever they get.

Let's get the "Coordinator X wants full control" narrative out of our heads. It's unrealistic and probably won't happen.


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Any team that gives final say to a man who has zero experience as an NFL head coach deserves whatever they get.

Let's get the "Coordinator X wants full control" narrative out of our heads. It's unrealistic and probably won't happen.


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Rex Ryan is exactly the type of coach the Texans need. That he would be such a terrible fit in your eyes with the Texans organization shows me how far away the Texans are from being championship caliber organization. I want Bill O'Brien but I would also love a Rex Ryan hire. He has done a great job coaching a Jets team with far less talent than the Texans.

Something I want to point out is that, the reason why they don't have talent is because he never gotten talent for that team. He always went with the sexy signing and picks. Look how that jets team turned out.......
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Any team that gives final say to a man who has zero experience as an NFL head coach deserves whatever they get.

Let's get the "Coordinator X wants full control" narrative out of our heads. It's unrealistic and probably won't happen.


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I'm willing to trust Bill O'Brien a heck if a lot more than Rick Smith when it comes to our roster....isn't even close.
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I can't think of a worse fit than a Ryan in the Texan organization. Ryan as an assistant would be a disaster with a first time coach like O'Brien.
If O'Brien is from the Belichick tree, you don't have to worry about Rex being on his staff.
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There will be additional NFL HC openings. O'Brien will have his choice of jobs. At the top of his list will be a team that will give him final say on the 53 man roster. The Texans are not one of those teams.
You say this as if the move would completely neuter the GM. It is totally possible for the HC to have final say on the 53, that's the way it should be. Don't need the owner or anyone else telling the HC who his starting QB should be.

As long as the HC knows the GM is his boss, the power structure should stay intact.

It's cool to have a QB like Peyton Manning calling audibles & adjusting the offense to what he sees on the field, but you need an OC in charge to manage the game. IMO, that's why Peyton only has one ring.

Same thing, the HC is the guy who manages the season, but long term, it's got to be the GMs vision, plan. Doesn't matter who the final 53 is as long as the core stays intact.
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You say this as if the move would completely neuter the GM. It is totally possible for the HC to have final say on the 53, that's the way it should be. Don't need the owner or anyone else telling the HC who his starting QB should be.

As long as the HC knows the GM is his boss, the power structure should stay intact.

It's cool to have a QB like Peyton Manning calling audibles & adjusting the offense to what he sees on the field, but you need an OC in charge to manage the game. IMO, that's why Peyton only has one ring.

Same thing, the HC is the guy who manages the season, but long term, it's got to be the GMs vision, plan. Doesn't matter who the final 53 is as long as the core stays intact.
My point being, give a perspective head a coach a choice of having full control and final say on the 53 man roster vs answering to the GM w/o control of the team roster, 99.9% of the time the perspective head coach will opt for full control and final say. Example is Jeff Fisher, he interviewed for both the Miami and St Louis jobs. All things being equal most folks would choose Miami. However Miami didn't offer full control, St. Louis did and Fisher is the Rams Head Coach.
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My point being, give a perspective head a coach a choice of having full control and final say on the 53 man roster vs answering to the GM w/o control of the team roster, 99.9% of the time the perspective head coach will opt for full control and final say. Example is Jeff Fisher, he interviewed for both the Miami and St Louis jobs. All things being equal most folks would choose Miami. However Miami didn't offer full control, St. Louis did and Fisher is the Rams Head Coach.
Yeah I can agree that the coach should have final say of the 53... and the GM has say on who is brought in to compete for the 53.

It's a symbiotic relationship. They have to work together to have any success at all
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...o-jump-to-nfl/

Less than two years removed from crippling Sandusky-fueled sanctions and still two seasons away from the ability to compete for bowl games, O’Brien could decide to continue the job he took after serving as Bill Belichick’s offensive coordinator in New England.



O’Brien wouldn’t be the first (or the last) football coach to say one thing and done another, and it would be hard to fault him for making a money grab at the next level. But family considerations also come into play, given that O’Brien’s 11-year-old son, Jack, has a medical condition that prevents him from walking or talking and results in near-daily seizures. The O’Briens reportedly have a high degree of comfort with the local medical care Jack is receiving and the elementary school Jack is attending; uprooting him from that while at the same time finding an acceptable replacement in a new city will present a considerable challenge.
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Less than two years removed from crippling Sandusky-fueled sanctions and still two seasons away from the ability to compete for bowl games, O’Brien could decide to continue the job he took after serving as Bill Belichick’s offensive coordinator in New England.



O’Brien wouldn’t be the first (or the last) football coach to say one thing and done another, and it would be hard to fault him for making a money grab at the next level. But family considerations also come into play, given that O’Brien’s 11-year-old son, Jack, has a medical condition that prevents him from walking or talking and results in near-daily seizures. The O’Briens reportedly have a high degree of comfort with the local medical care Jack is receiving and the elementary school Jack is attending; uprooting him from that while at the same time finding an acceptable replacement in a new city will present a considerable challenge.
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I'm all in on bringing in O'Brien........ and call me crazy but I think I want Mangini as the DC. He has the creative mind it takes to get it done on that side of the ball to fix this defense.
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Right. We have the Houston Medical Center for that type of problem. Next?

Get him out here Bob. Schedule the interview.
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I'm all in on bringing in O'Brien........ and call me crazy but I think I want Mangini as the DC. He has the creative mind it takes to get it done on that side of the ball to fix this defense.
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Jim Schwartz may be out of a job but from what I hear, he's a highly regarded defensive minded coach. Bill O'Brien and Schwartz have both coached underneath of "the hoody".

Could work out just fine...

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