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Hub Arkush of Pro Football Weekly, who's astute when it comes to these things, agrees with you.

In an interview on 610 this week, he said any team that takes Manziel or Bridgewater early in the first round - let alone with the No. 1 pick - will be doing some major overreaching.

He believes the QB group as a whole is mediocre, and that Mettenberger (before his knee injury) was/is by far the most NFL-ready of them.

It was great to hear some sanity brought to the QB-draft discussion.
I gotta chime in on this "NFL ready" thing....

For instance, the most "NFL ready" wr was Hopkins but anyone who is objective would take the "less ready" Cordarrelle Patterson after their rookie seasons.
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He believes the QB group as a whole is mediocre, and that Mettenberger (before his knee injury) was/is by far the most NFL-ready of them.

It was great to hear some sanity brought to the QB-draft discussion.
I heard no such statement about Mettenberger being "by far the most NFL-ready." He did say Met was a late 3rd to 4th round talent who would likely go late 2nd to 3rd because some team would reach.

His distribution of QBs being drafted did seem much more realistic - a couple early 1st then trickling off to some being taken 2nd half of the 1st instead of 6 being taken in the 1st with 4+ in the top 10.
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Here's an article about O'Brien and his son, who has a rare neurological disease. I just thought it was a good insight on the new coach. http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-foo...ng-joe-paterno
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I gotta chime in on this "NFL ready" thing....

For instance, the most "NFL ready" wr was Hopkins but anyone who is objective would take the "less ready" Cordarrelle Patterson after their rookie seasons.
It's like a college guy smashing 82 MPH fastballs with an aluminum bat and saying he's ready for the majors ( Astros included ) . He may have the potential to succeed but you can't test the mental part until he goes live .
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I heard no such statement about Mettenberger being "by far the most NFL-ready."...
You're right, my mistake -- I heard him say that on a CBS Sports Radio national show.

But in the 610 interview he said basically the same thing: "He (Mettenberger) looks the most like an NFL quarterback."

He also said the QB crop for 2014 is "terribly overrated":

http://houston.cbslocal.com/2013/12/...-qb-overrated/
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You're right, my mistake -- I heard him say that on a CBS Sports Radio national show.

But in the 610 interview he said basically the same thing: "He (Mettenberger) looks the most like an NFL quarterback."

He also said the QB crop for 2014 is "terribly overrated":

http://houston.cbslocal.com/2013/12/...-qb-overrated/
Who cares what a columnist has to say about anything? Everyone has opinions, one dude's isn't anymore valuable than another's.
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Except that he and his publication have a very good reputation (earned over many years).

Where's Joel Buchsbaum when we need him?

He wouldn't have fallen for the Johnny Football hype.
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Where's Joel Buchsbaum when we need him!
miss him...but you don't need someone else's opinion if you form your own.
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yeah, this is the very first time I'm excited about who our HC is.
Definitely. Capers seemed like a safe pick and Gary seemed like a reach to me. O'Brien might crash and burn spectacularly (I don't see it happening for the record) but if he does then at least Bob will be "wrong in the right direction" for a change.

I really like the emphasis he seems to place on intelligence. It's a quality I think our roster has been lacking over the years.
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Will he be looking to take his own guy, Christian Hackenberg next year or in 2015?
Next year is 2015.

Happy 2014 Texan fans! I think we're all ready for a change.
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I gotta chime in on this "NFL ready" thing....

For instance, the most "NFL ready" wr was Hopkins but anyone who is objective would take the "less ready" Cordarrelle Patterson after their rookie seasons.
Or waited until the 3rd round to select Kennan Allen or Terrance Williams.
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Definitely. Capers seemed like a safe pick and Gary seemed like a reach to me.
Kubiak's resume read as if he were ready for the position. 11 years as OC for a perennial playoff team with 2 Super Bowl trophies. 22 years in the league as a player and coach on winning franchises. He just didn't have what it takes to be a successful head coach. O'Brien doesn't have the resume Kubiak had, but he has the look of a leader. We'll see if he has everything else it takes. I'm hopeful.
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My gut tells me we just hired the next Capers/Kubiak.

This guy has done absolutely NOTHING that impresses me.

#1 I could be Brady's OC. It's Brady. Here's the gameplan --
"Hey Tom, do what you want bro.."

#2 Did Penn State win their conference this year?

Honestly, I like McNair, but I'm starting to think he's just
too much of a football novice.

I would have at least waited to get Wisenhunt an interview

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Kubiak's resume read as if he were ready for the position. 11 years as OC for a perennial playoff team with 2 Super Bowl trophies. 22 years in the league as a player and coach on winning franchises. He just didn't have what it takes to be a successful head coach. O'Brien doesn't have the resume Kubiak had, but he has the look of a leader. We'll see if he has everything else it takes. I'm hopeful.
I thought his resume read like "Career OC" a little bit. Kind of like he'd been around so long that if he'd really had that desire to lead he'd have gone down to the college ranks to do it. For years we always heard about how he was going to get a HC gig somewhere but that's a long time to wait patiently for your opportunity I think. I remember a distinct concern voiced around the board back then that he was maybe of a product of just years of tagging along with Shanahan.

Could be some 20/20 hindsight kicking in on me though. I was never crazy about Kubiak. I don't ever remember being that excited about the Texans hiring him.
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Or waited until the 3rd round to select Kennan Allen or Terrance Williams.
I wanted to work on the trenches and go WR later. I wanted Kenny Stills. Having said that I didn't hate the Hopkins pick. Still don't. Just would of gone a different way.
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I just hope this doesn't turn into a Texans version of the
Schiano experience..

Then again, at least Schiano got blown out after a couple of
years. That might be better than giving this guy 6 like
Gary and Dom if he's a .500 coach

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But on a serious note you seem to be one of the posters who hates and despises EVERYTHING about the Texans.
No, I don't really see it that way. I think of it as being more of a realist, unbiased, objectivity. The record seems to bear me out. I do understand how the homers and the koolaid drinkers see me as a hater, a negative or a Debbie Downer. I just don't believe that Bob McNair and company can do no wrong and every decision they make is the absolute perfect decision. I have always said Bob wants to win, just doesn't know how. History seems to be on my side. I have been watching and studying football for over 50 years. At some point you have seen it all. You get a sixth sense. Like when Detroit fired Matt Millen and replaced him with Matt's right hand man. You just knew this wouldn't end well. That's kind of what the Texans did here with Kubiak and Smith. Also there are varying degrees of Texans fans, not all are homers or koolaid drinkers. All the undeserving rah rah can be a bit tedious and boring at times.

For the record: I was gung ho initially when Bob hired Kubiak. I thought at the time that Kubiak would be like another mild mannered Texan, Tom Landry. That lasted all of about 2 months when Kubiak explained why he was hiring young inexperienced coaches. The final straw for me was hiring Frank Bush without conducting one interview with a proven DC.

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#2 Did Penn State win their conference this year?
Did you follow what O'Brien did at Penn State at all? Do you believe they had the talent to win the Big 10? I was impressed by how he kept the team's head up and never let them feel sorry for themselves after the sanctions went down. I was impressed that O'Brien stayed at Penn State after the sanctions were imposed.

I get the skepticism of McNair. He's been in the league 12 years, but he still seems like a novice. Only winning big and winning consistently can change that. I wanted a big name here that could change the culture of this organization. O'Brien is not a "big name". But, maybe he can change things down on Kirby.
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I can't help but be pumped about FINALLY having a HC who won't tolerate excuses or perpetuate loser mentality. Being tough but fair is no guarantee that O'Brien will be successful...but moving away from the passive methods of Capers/Kubiak is step in the right direction regardless of how it ends.
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Did you follow what O'Brien did at Penn State at all? Do you believe they had the talent to win the Big 10? I was impressed by how he kept the team's head up and never let them feel sorry for themselves after the sanctions went down. I was impressed that O'Brien stayed at Penn State after the sanctions were imposed.

I get the skepticism of McNair. He's been in the league 12 years, but he still seems like a novice. Only winning big and winning consistently can change that. I wanted a big name here that could change the culture of this organization. O'Brien is not a "big name". But, maybe he can change things down on Kirby.
I don't think people put the Penn State situation in the proper context . They were almost as penalized as SMU and had a winning season . I also think O'Brien wanted to be coach bad enough to take that job as a way to prove himself . A man with two young boys taking a job at that place shows something .

Take all that and add his time with Bill B on how to get things done while working with Brady makes me think it's a good gamble .
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